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January 27, 2004 -- EXETER, N.H. - Wise-cracking funnyman Al Franken yesterday body-slammed a demonstrator to the ground after the man tried to shout down Gov. Howard Dean.
The tussle left Franken's trademark thick-rim glasses broken, but he said he was not injured.
Franken - who seemed in a state of shock and out of breath after the incident - was helped back to his feet by several people who watched the tussle. Police arrived soon after.
"I got down low and took his legs out," said Franken afterwards.
Franken said he's not backing Dean but merely wanted to protect the right of people to speak freely. "I would have done it if he was a Dean supporter at a Kerry rally," he said.
"I'm neutral in this race but I'm for freedom of speech, which means people should be able to assemble and speak without being shouted down."
The trouble started when several supporters of fringe presidential candidate Lyndon Larouche began shouting accusations at Dean.
Franken emerged from the crowd and charged one male protester, grabbing him with a bear hug from behind and slamming him onto the floor.
"I was a wrestler so I used a wrestling move," Franken said
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Apparently a blood thirty dictator who commits mass murder, ethnic cleansing, gassing his own people, letting his son rape groups of women should be left alone and get a free pass.
BUT if you heckle a democrat, you should be pummeled into the ground because its important to protect free speech.
What about the hecklers right to free speech??
Can you imagine what this heckler must look like if Al Franken took him down? He must have been over 65 and of French birth!
Doesn't Al know, violence is not the answer, it only leads to more violence!! Surely Al could have just gone to the UN to get a resolution condemning them an, he should have gone to the UN to build a coalition before acting unilaterally!!
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 27 2004, 11:11 AM Apparently a blood thirty dictator who commits mass murder, ethnic cleansing, gassing his own people, letting his son rape groups of women should be left alone and get a free pass.
BUT if you heckle a democrat, you should be pummeled into the ground because its important to protect free speech.
What about the hecklers right to free speech??
Can you imagine what this heckler must look like if Al Franken took him down? He must have been over 65 and of French birth!
Doesn't Al know, violence is not the answer, it only leads to more violence!! Surely Al could have just gone to the UN to get a resolution condemning them an, he should have gone to the UN to build a coalition before acting unilaterally!!
And then the kicker is... apparently the heckler was a Kerry supporter???!!!! This is hilarious!
Originally posted by JR@Jan 27 2004, 12:31 PM how do you attack someone to stop them from speaking and claim to do it in defense of peoples right to speak?
Franken also challenged some conservative columnist who was calling some democrat a sissy to a fistfight in a parking garage, and called HIM a sissy when he wouldn't fight him.
Watch to see if charges are filed. If not, it was definitely a publicity stunt.
If they are, it just doesn't say anything good about Al's temper.
Heyyyy... perhaps he and Dean could go on the road together, a vaudeville of tantrums!
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Originally posted by Carrie@Jan 27 2004, 04:00 PM Watch to see if charges are filed. If not, it was definitely a publicity stunt.
If they are, it just doesn't say anything good about Al's temper.
Heyyyy... perhaps he and Dean could go on the road together, a vaudeville of tantrums!
Who would have thought it was the liberals who are the angry white men?
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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 04:47 PM So all liberals are violent because of the actions of one man?
I love the logic.
We know better, many liberals espouse non-violence, and are always against war, even in defending ones self. I think its just ironic that some of the same people who make these claims are the ones committing violent acts....
that is all - just an observation.
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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 03:09 PM
So are you suggesting that most conservatives are pro-porn non-religious folks?
Most Americans that call themselves or align themselves with the conservatives or neoconservatives have no ideological basis for calling themselves such. They just think that since they are not faggot liberal hippies that they must be conservatives. Its pretty typical of the average American, the left here falls into the same trap. Remember the "lefty" in that one coffeeshop that got bent out of shape for the American sheep speech? He is typical. Americans align themselves with ideologies they will never understand, it is standard operating procedure here. Just like all the "christians" we have.
Take a look around, look at all the American neocon pornographers we have on this board. They have no clue, but that was never in doubt.
Originally posted by [Labret]+Jan 27 2004, 06:25 PM-->
QUOTE ([Labret] @ Jan 27 2004, 06:25 PM)
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Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 06:24 PM liberals and pacifists are great! you can bitch stomp them and if they fight back...call them hypocrits to boot.
best of luck -
aeon
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Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 27 2004, 03:25 PM Americans align themselves with ideologies they will never understand, it is standard operating procedure here.
I would certainly hope you're not limiting that simply citizens of the US...all countries have their sheep...they can't survive without them but a bunch of fucked up euro poofters whining - screw that - they're just pissed that their nationalistic identity, pride and longevity left them kissing the ass of a country; that in 250 years, has positioned itself as the most dominant military and economic force human civilization has ever seen...it's sheep that look to blame others for their own failures & look for anyway to show their national penis is bigger - I'd be pissed too if my country, culture was such a fucked up failure.
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 03:24 PM liberals and pacifists are great! you can bitch stomp them and if they fight back...call them hypocrits to boot.
best of luck -
aeon
What makes you think that if you are a pacifist it is hypocritical to defend yourself from violence?
Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 03:40 PM What makes you think that if you are a pacifist it is hypocritical to defend yourself from violence?
pacifist
adj : opposed to war [syn: pacifist(a), pacifistic] n : someone opposed to violence as a means of settling disputes.
rationalization is the logic of the weak...do you support violence as a means to resolve issues or do you not...violence is OK if it affects me or I gain some benefit from it...identify which benefit is acceptable...
possibly a country attacking another country might serve some benefit...how are they wrong?
Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 03:55 PM Much of your country's wealth was built by stealing land rich in natural resources from it's original inhabitants and killing them; enslaving black Africans and making them work for no pay and pillaging the third world of it's resources.
how many aborigenes do you have crashing for the evening?
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 03:56 PM rationalization is the logic of the weak...do you support violence as a means to resolve issues or do you not...violence is OK if it affects me or I gain some benefit from it...identify which benefit is acceptable...
possibly a country attacking another country might serve some benefit...how are they wrong?
best of luck -
aeon
I am not rationalising anything.
Like I said, you'll find pacifists will defend themselves from violence but will not initiate it. It is a human instinct to defend yourself.
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 04:01 PM do you know what "ad hoc" is? I would suggest you examine it a bit more closely with the aborigene's you are sharing your western wealth with...
best of luck -
aeon
First, try getting the spelling of 'aborigine' correct.
Also, as I already stated, I in no way condone or approve of the way the aboriginal people were treated, firstly by the English and secondly by Australians after we became a nation in 1901.
Originally posted by aeon@Jan 27 2004, 06:24 PM liberals and pacifists are great! you can bitch stomp them and if they fight back...call them hypocrits to boot.
best of luck -
aeon
you're confusing pacifists and liberals. Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause, while the conservatives wanted to stay home. After all, Germany was way across the ocean and nothing to do with us.
Hippies have as much to do with most liberals as white supremacists in Utah have to do with most conservatives.
Originally posted by dig420@Jan 27 2004, 05:44 PM
you're confusing pacifists and liberals. Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause, while the conservatives wanted to stay home. After all, Germany was way across the ocean and nothing to do with us.
justify this position...Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause eh? Please tell me what a "just cause" is...
and tell me mate - you pick and choose when violence is acceptable to you...tell me - what criteria do you use?
Actually, I wish Al had saved that kind of activity for the next sorry-ass intellectual lightweight who tried to equate liberalism to a lack of patriotism. Choose your targets wisely ...
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justify this position...Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause eh? Please tell me what a "just cause" is...
and tell me mate - you pick and choose when violence is acceptable to you...tell me - what criteria do you use?
The most obvious case of a liberal "just cause" was, of course, Hitler. Many on the left were ready to come to the aid of those fighting him, if not join in directly, long before the political antecedents of the contemporary neo-cons were forced into war by the Japanese attack and subsequent declaration of war by Hitler.
Then, of course, there is the whole damned Vietnam debacle. The original backers of military assistance to South Vietnam were the much despised Eastern (mostly Catholic) liberals such as the Kennedys.
Most recently, I suppose, would be the mission in Bosnia.
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