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AL FRANKEN KNOCKS DOWN DEAN HECKLER




January 27, 2004 -- EXETER, N.H. - Wise-cracking funnyman Al Franken yesterday body-slammed a demonstrator to the ground after the man tried to shout down Gov. Howard Dean.
The tussle left Franken's trademark thick-rim glasses broken, but he said he was not injured.

Franken - who seemed in a state of shock and out of breath after the incident - was helped back to his feet by several people who watched the tussle. Police arrived soon after.

"I got down low and took his legs out," said Franken afterwards.

Franken said he's not backing Dean but merely wanted to protect the right of people to speak freely. "I would have done it if he was a Dean supporter at a Kerry rally," he said.

"I'm neutral in this race but I'm for freedom of speech, which means people should be able to assemble and speak without being shouted down."

The trouble started when several supporters of fringe presidential candidate Lyndon Larouche began shouting accusations at Dean.



Franken emerged from the crowd and charged one male protester, grabbing him with a bear hug from behind and slamming him onto the floor.

"I was a wrestler so I used a wrestling move," Franken said

Apparently a blood thirty dictator who commits mass murder, ethnic cleansing, gassing his own people, letting his son rape groups of women should be left alone and get a free pass.

BUT if you heckle a democrat, you should be pummeled into the ground because its important to protect free speech.

What about the hecklers right to free speech??

Can you imagine what this heckler must look like if Al Franken took him down? He must have been over 65 and of French birth!

Doesn't Al know, violence is not the answer, it only leads to more violence!! Surely Al could have just gone to the UN to get a resolution condemning them an, he should have gone to the UN to build a coalition before acting unilaterally!!

And then the kicker is... apparently the heckler was a Kerry supporter???!!!! This is hilarious!

Does this smell of bull, does it smell of a set up to get Franken press?

Franken has a new radio show about to launch

how do you attack someone to stop them from speaking and claim to do it in defense of peoples right to speak?

:rolleyes:

Welcome to leftism.

I don't trust anyone who leans too far to the right or the left.

even when they're intoxicated?

even when they're intoxicated?[/b][/quote]
Drunks and the Tower of Piza have exemption status. :agrin:

So does Buff!

So does Buff![/b][/quote]
Drav :okthumb:

But what publicity stuff with Buff come up with for his new radio show - any ideas?

Drav :okthumb:

But what publicity stuff with Buff come up with for his new radio show - any ideas?[/b][/quote]
I am gonna BASE jump nude off of a 50 foot building in downtown Abeline, Texas to get maximum exposure!

Franken also challenged some conservative columnist who was calling some democrat a sissy to a fistfight in a parking garage, and called HIM a sissy when he wouldn't fight him.

Franken is a bit violent.

Watch to see if charges are filed. If not, it was definitely a publicity stunt.
If they are, it just doesn't say anything good about Al's temper.
Heyyyy... perhaps he and Dean could go on the road together, a vaudeville of tantrums!

Who would have thought it was the liberals who are the angry white men?

So all liberals are violent because of the actions of one man?

I love the logic.

:D

..um.. but the...

I will violate the freedom of speech of the guy I dont like in favor of the one I DO like

Logic works???

We know better, many liberals espouse non-violence, and are always against war, even in defending ones self. I think its just ironic that some of the same people who make these claims are the ones committing violent acts....

that is all - just an observation.

Sure... just like all conservatives are non-porn religious folks just because Ashcroft is.

See how this works?

Sure... just like all conservatives are non-porn religious folks just because Ashcroft is.

See how this works?[/b][/quote]
So are you suggesting that most conservatives are pro-porn non-religious folks?

liberals and pacifists are great! you can bitch stomp them and if they fight back...call them hypocrits to boot. :stout:

best of luck -
aeon

Most Americans that call themselves or align themselves with the conservatives or neoconservatives have no ideological basis for calling themselves such. They just think that since they are not faggot liberal hippies that they must be conservatives. Its pretty typical of the average American, the left here falls into the same trap. Remember the "lefty" in that one coffeeshop that got bent out of shape for the American sheep speech? He is typical. Americans align themselves with ideologies they will never understand, it is standard operating procedure here. Just like all the "christians" we have.

Take a look around, look at all the American neocon pornographers we have on this board. They have no clue, but that was never in doubt.

and if you are such a bitch that you allow Al Franken close enough to you to not only grab you, but bodyslam you... you deserve it.



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Most Americans that call themselves or align themselves with the conservatives or neoconservatives have no ideological basis for calling themselves such. They just think that since they are not faggot liberal hippies that they must be conservatives. Its pretty typical of the average American, the left here falls into the same trap. Remember the "lefty" in that one coffeeshop that got bent out of shape for the American sheep speech? He is typical. Americans align themselves with ideologies they will never understand, it is standard operating procedure here. Just like all the "christians" we have.

Take a look around, look at all the American neocon pornographers we have on this board. They have no clue, but that was never in doubt.[/b][/quote]


I think most of the NeoCons on Oprano understand their political views as well as those inthe world around them.

I can only speak for myself, but I am only NeoCon when it comes to foreign policy. Of course I can trace the concepts I beleive in to Thucydides.

So are you suggesting that most conservatives are pro-porn non-religious folks?[/b][/quote]
Hell I'd never suggest that, but it's been preached to me by hundreds of GFYers and a couple of Opranauts as well - all "leftys", of course.

Sometimes, you're just evil. :okthumb:

I would certainly hope you're not limiting that simply citizens of the US...all countries have their sheep...they can't survive without them but a bunch of fucked up euro poofters whining - screw that - they're just pissed that their nationalistic identity, pride and longevity left them kissing the ass of a country; that in 250 years, has positioned itself as the most dominant military and economic force human civilization has ever seen...it's sheep that look to blame others for their own failures & look for anyway to show their national penis is bigger - I'd be pissed too if my country, culture was such a fucked up failure.

best of luck -
aeon

What makes you think that if you are a pacifist it is hypocritical to defend yourself from violence?

pacifist

adj : opposed to war [syn: pacifist(a), pacifistic] n : someone opposed to violence as a means of settling disputes.

best of luck -
aeon

Most Americans that call themselves or align themselves with the conservatives or neoconservatives have no ideological basis for calling themselves such. They just think that since they are not faggot liberal hippies that they must be conservatives. Its pretty typical of the average American, the left here falls into the same trap. Remember the "lefty" in that one coffeeshop that got bent out of shape for the American sheep speech? He is typical. Americans align themselves with ideologies they will never understand, it is standard operating procedure here. Just like all the "christians" we have.

Take a look around, look at all the American neocon pornographers we have on this board. They have no clue, but that was never in doubt.[/b][/quote]
Yeah, a lot of Americans seem to find comfort in describing themselves as conservatives because it says more about what they don't believe than what they do believe.

Yeah, I remember that guy from Seattle in 'The Other Side'. I thought it was hilarious he thought of himself as a "lefty". I still regret not deliberately getting that fucker lost when he wanted directions back to his hostel.



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pacifist

adj : opposed to war [syn: pacifist(a), pacifistic] n : someone opposed to violence as a means of settling disputes.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
You have a strange view of pacificsts.

I'm a pacificist but I'll defend myself from violence.

Self-defence is completely different from initiating an act of violence.

I would certainly hope you're not limiting that simply citizens of the US...all countries have their sheep...they can't survive without them but a bunch of fucked up euro poofters whining - screw that - they're just pissed that their nationalistic identity, pride and longevity left them kissing the ass of a country; that in 250 years, has positioned itself as the most dominant military and economic force human civilization has ever seen...it's sheep that look to blame others for their own failures & look for anyway to show their national penis is bigger - I'd be pissed too if my country, culture was such a fucked up failure.

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Much of your country's wealth was built by stealing land rich in natural resources from it's original inhabitants (native Americans) and killing them; enslaving black Africans and making them work for no pay and pillaging the third world of it's resources.



Last edited by Joe Sixpack at Jan 27 2004, 03:56 PM

rationalization is the logic of the weak...do you support violence as a means to resolve issues or do you not...violence is OK if it affects me or I gain some benefit from it...identify which benefit is acceptable...

possibly a country attacking another country might serve some benefit...how are they wrong?

best of luck -
aeon

how many aborigenes do you have crashing for the evening?

best of luck -
aeon

I am not rationalising anything.

Like I said, you'll find pacifists will defend themselves from violence but will not initiate it. It is a human instinct to defend yourself.

There is no hypocrisy.

I am not rationalising anything.

Like I said, you'll find pacifists will defend themselves from violence but will not initiate it. It is a human instinct to defend yourself.

There is no hypocrisy.[/b][/quote]
You will not find me defending the actions of those who founded this country either.

But then, I am not the one bragging about my countries "achievements".

do you know what "ad hoc" is? I would suggest you examine it a bit more closely with the aborigene's you are sharing your western wealth with...

best of luck -
aeon

You will not find me defending the actions of those who founded this country either.

But then, I am not the one bragging about my countries "achievements".[/b][/quote]
see scooter - I'm not bragging - your existence or lack thereof means nothing to me...I'm just pointing out the obvious: which most lack the cognative ability to do :okthumb:

I plan on moving out the US.

best of luck -
aeon

First, try getting the spelling of 'aborigine' correct.

Also, as I already stated, I in no way condone or approve of the way the aboriginal people were treated, firstly by the English and secondly by Australians after we became a nation in 1901.

I wasn't an english major - sue me.

great!!! lemme know when you put your money where your mouth is...or is just rhetoric?

best of luck -
aeon

I put my vote and my money where my mouth is every time there is an election here.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - honestly...I would have expected a bit more cognitive function.

I would bet john aschroft votes too!

best of luck -
aeon

you're confusing pacifists and liberals. Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause, while the conservatives wanted to stay home. After all, Germany was way across the ocean and nothing to do with us.

Hippies have as much to do with most liberals as white supremacists in Utah have to do with most conservatives.

you're confusing pacifists and liberals. Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause, while the conservatives wanted to stay home. After all, Germany was way across the ocean and nothing to do with us.

Hippies have as much to do with most liberals as white supremacists in Utah have to do with most conservatives.[/b][/quote]
Not all pacifists are hippies.

Personally, I don't believe there is anything wrong with the view that self-defence (both on a personal and national level) is the only justification for violence.

justify this position...Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause eh? Please tell me what a "just cause" is...

and tell me mate - you pick and choose when violence is acceptable to you...tell me - what criteria do you use?

best of luck -
aeon

Actually, I wish Al had saved that kind of activity for the next sorry-ass intellectual lightweight who tried to equate liberalism to a lack of patriotism. Choose your targets wisely ...

justify this position...Liberals have been the first to go to war in a just cause eh? Please tell me what a "just cause" is...

and tell me mate - you pick and choose when violence is acceptable to you...tell me - what criteria do you use?

best of luck -
aeon[/b][/quote]
Just cause? Someone who is a threat to us, our allies, or the world in general, which Saddam was not. He was just another tinpot dictator in a world full of them who had already had his teeth pulled.

My criteria for violence is someone putting hands on me or those I love.

The most obvious case of a liberal "just cause" was, of course, Hitler. Many on the left were ready to come to the aid of those fighting him, if not join in directly, long before the political antecedents of the contemporary neo-cons were forced into war by the Japanese attack and subsequent declaration of war by Hitler.

Then, of course, there is the whole damned Vietnam debacle. The original backers of military assistance to South Vietnam were the much despised Eastern (mostly Catholic) liberals such as the Kennedys.

Most recently, I suppose, would be the mission in Bosnia.

The Bible teaches us that we should love each other. We are all brothers and sisters in one big family with God as our father.