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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jan 28 2004, 01:08 AM Actually, I wish Al had saved that kind of activity for the next sorry-ass intellectual lightweight who tried to equate liberalism to a lack of patriotism. Choose your targets wisely ...
So what do you call someone who hates our President, thinks even third-world countries which desire the destruction of this country are superior to this country, wants to do away with our form of gov't in favor of a Socialist/Marxist/Communist form, and feels that The First Amendment applies only when THEY want to speak?
"When you're runnin' down our country, Hoss, you're walkin' on the fightin' side of me!"
Originally posted by dig420@Jan 27 2004, 11:45 PM
Just cause? Someone who is a threat to us, our allies, or the world in general
Using that logic...most every arabic country there is should be eradicated. Like it or not, Israel is the US's ally...Lebanon, Syria, & Iran are all direct threats to our allie - can you say "glass desert". Wait minute, didn't sadaam start rewarding people that blew up our allie's citizens? - that seems like a pretty fuckin' direct threat to me...
Next kiss North Korea bye - South Korea & Japan are our allies too...the list goes on and on...
I'm starting to like liberals and pacifists more & more
Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Jan 27 2004, 06:55 PM Much of your country's wealth was built by stealing land rich in natural resources from it's original inhabitants (native Americans) and killing them; enslaving black Africans and making them work for no pay and pillaging the third world of it's resources.
Actually, it was the black africans who enslaved their own tribe members (brothers, sisters, children, nieces, nephews, etc etc) for many years before the white man came.
When the white man showed up, they realized they could make a profit by *selling* these slaves, and did so. And continued to enslave more tribesmen to take to market.
It's a tired, old half-assed argument perpetuated by those who don't want to know/remember the truth.
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Thats it? That is your fucking argument? That since we had to buy a nigger from another nigger, that some Americans did not enslave them... since they were already enslaved when purchased?
Seriously, you need to be drug into the street and shot. What a fucking idiot.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 08:27 PM Thats it? That is your fucking argument? That since we had to buy a nigger from another nigger, that some Americans did not enslave them... since they were already enslaved when purchased?
Seriously, you need to be drug into the street and shot. What a fucking idiot.
One forgets that most countries had African slaves. In fact, the colonists of America were merely continuing what they were taught in their homeland of Britain, who had African slaves since the 1500's.
In fact, Ireland - where you claim a desire to flee to - started having African slaves in the 9th century.
As far as the Indians, let's not forget that humans, like every other living creature on this earth, takes over by force an area which they want to live in. Again - this has been going on for millions of years - it didn't start with America.
I still think it's funny that you've spent so much time in America while professing to dislike everything about this country, lol! It's even more comical that the faults you find with America are faults most countries have. :P
For Carrie its a matter of who enslaved the nigger first. For Peaches its a moot point because other people enslaved as well.
Thats it? Seriously, thats all you two dumbfucks could put together?
You are right you two, its ok because the Irish did it in the 10th century (according to professor peaches), and because we bought them "pre-owned" so to speak.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 09:03 PM You both are proof that there is no God.
Nah - we basically merely proved that 99.999% of the people around the world since the beginning of time tend to do as adults what they raised as kids to do. :P
I'm surprised you haven't realized that, being such a grand sociology master!
Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 08:03 PM For Carrie its a matter of who enslaved the nigger first. For Peaches its a moot point because other people enslaved as well.
Thats it? Seriously, thats all you two dumbfucks could put together?
You are right you two, its ok because the Irish did it in the 10th century (according to professor peaches), and because we bought them "pre-owned" so to speak.
You both are proof that there is no God.
Why, [labert], didn't you know that the whole idea that slavery was an abomibnation is all liberal media lies put out by Jews? I mean, it has to be Jews, because I know you have posted "proof" that Jews control the media in the past...
There is something terribly American about a Northern anti-semite lecturing cracker ladies about race ... odd, and pathetic, but terribly American.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jan 28 2004, 08:50 PM
Why, [labert], didn't you know that the whole idea that slavery was an abomibnation is all liberal media lies put out by Jews? I mean, it has to be Jews, because I know you have posted "proof" that Jews control the media in the past...
Fuckin Jews.
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Were you a goth kid by chance? Misunderstood in highschool? Femi?
Originally posted by Torone@Jan 29 2004, 09:46 AM Re: Slavery...
America was the leader in ending slavery after existing for only about 75 years. If you give no credence to that, you are either stupid or stupid.
I never said slavery wasn't an abomination.
I merely pointed out the glaring flaws in the old insult that Americans owned slaves. It's thrown around constantly like we're the ones that invented the whole idea; we're not.
And for people who CLAIM to have a "world view", it's very funny how they continually overlook the fact that the blacks still living in Africa are still running around half-naked, starving, dying of thirst and disease, uneducated, and basically are still stuck at the cultural level that they were 250 years ago when Americans started bringing them here.
Compare that to the blacks living here in America and tell me that in a "world view", the ones in Africa are better off. You're full of shit.
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Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 06:27 PM Thats it? That is your fucking argument? That since we had to buy a nigger from another nigger, that some Americans did not enslave them... since they were already enslaved when purchased?
Seriously, you need to be drug into the street and shot. What a fucking idiot.
What's with your command of the English language? Stuck on drugs? The proper word in that context would have been 'dragged'. So much for your claims of a super education...
Originally posted by Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 08:13 AM I never said slavery wasn't an abomination.
I merely pointed out the glaring flaws in the old insult that Americans owned slaves. It's thrown around constantly like we're the ones that invented the whole idea; we're not.
And for people who CLAIM to have a "world view", it's very funny how they continually overlook the fact that the blacks still living in Africa are still running around half-naked, starving, dying of thirst and disease, uneducated, and basically are still stuck at the cultural level that they were 250 years ago when Americans started bringing them here.
Compare that to the blacks living here in America and tell me that in a "world view", the ones in Africa are better off. You're full of shit.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 28 2004, 06:27 PM Thats it? That is your fucking argument? That since we had to buy a nigger from another nigger, that some Americans did not enslave them... since they were already enslaved when purchased?
Seriously, you need to be drug into the street and shot. What a fucking idiot.
Slavery was around since day 1 on Earth. Why should the United States be singled out? What makes our slavery any worse than the slavery in Africa or Asia or Europe?
How come you leftist bitches don't whine about the slavery that existed in France?
Labret, when the fuck are you leaving for good? My guess is that you're just another Alec Baldwin, promising to get the fuck out, but without enough honor to keep your word.
Originally posted by Buff@Jan 29 2004, 12:26 PM Labret, when the fuck are you leaving for good? My guess is that you're just another Alec Baldwin, promising to get the fuck out, but without enough honor to keep your word.
Don't be silly - don't you realize that even Labret knows that the US is the best place for him to get an education? Don't forget how he goes on and on ad nauseam about how smart all his professors are, lol! After all, he claims that school is the only reason why he's staying here. Amazing that this horrible, terrible country has the ability to offer up such great educational opportunities that even someone who claims they hate the US is forced to stay here. :P :P
I think I've realized why he's so angry all the time - if his hypocrisy is so obvious on this board, can you just imagine how he must be fighting himself inside his own head over it?
Slavery was around since day 1 on Earth. Why should the United States be singled out?
Uhm, that is what Carrie and Joe were talking about. Forgive me for staying on topic, bad habit I know.
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What makes our slavery any worse than the slavery in Africa or Asia or Europe?
Where did I say it was?
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How come you leftist bitches don't whine about the slavery that existed in France?
Again, I could have sworn the topic was American slavery and Carries theory of pre-owned nigger marketing.
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Labret, when the fuck are you leaving for good? My guess is that you're just another Alec Baldwin, promising to get the fuck out, but without enough honor to keep your word.
I guess the answer I have given 15 times before has not been sufficient. Sometime after May, probably around September.
Originally posted by Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 06:13 AM
the fact that the blacks still living in Africa are still running around half-naked, starving, dying of thirst and disease, uneducated, and basically are still stuck at the cultural level that they were 250 years ago when Americans started bringing them here.
Compare that to the blacks living here in America and tell me that in a "world view", the ones in Africa are better off. You're full of shit.
You hear that you ungrateful niggers, Carrie says you should be grateful we rescued you from that hell hole called Africa. Never you mind Jim Crow and slavery, just be glad you are not still in your homeland. Slavery was redemption.
Cultural level, stuck at. ahahahahaah there is nothing quite as tasty as a big cup of ethnocentrism in the morning.
So tell me more about this "cultural level" theory. One can actually rank cultures on a scale? And some are better than others?
Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:24 PM You hear that you ungrateful niggers, Carrie says you should be grateful we rescued you from that hell hole called Africa. Never you mind Jim Crow and slavery, just be glad you are not still in your homeland. Slavery was redemption.
Actually I have heard thousands of blacks (in person, on the radio, on TV, in newspapers, magazines, etc.) say that they are much better off today than they would have been had their ancestors stayed in Africa. Many of them would actually still be slaves in Africa.
Not everyone is as determined to think only the worst as you are, sweetie.
Originally posted by Peaches@Jan 29 2004, 08:31 AM
I think I've realized why he's so angry all the time - if his hypocrisy is so obvious on this board, can you just imagine how he must be fighting himself inside his own head over it?
You silly bitch, I am not an angry person. Ask anyone who has met me, I guess I need to abuse animated gifs more?
Hypocrisy? I dont hate America, I hate Americans. This place would not be so bad if most of you would just... die. My desire to leave does not come from a hatred of this country per se, I just find its inhabitant intolerable and life is far too short not to travel the world. You are happy with getting knocked up and living like a hillbilly, some of us are not content to sit and waste our lives away. I do not want to regret my life like you obviously regret yours. Old white woman who sits on a board with pornographers all day while your children flee from you. I do not envy you, but you made your bed, you lie in it.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:40 PM You silly bitch, I am not an angry person. Ask anyone who has met me, I guess I need to abuse animated gifs more?
Hypocrisy? I dont hate America, I hate Americans. This place would not be so bad if most of you would just... die. My desire to leave does not come from a hatred of this country per se, I just find its inhabitant intolerable and life is far too short not to travel the world. You are happy with getting knocked up and living like a hillbilly, some of us are not content to sit and waste our lives away. I do not want to regret my life like you obviously regret yours. Old white woman who sits on a board with pornographers all day while your children flee from you. I do not envy you, but you made your bed, you lie in it.
See, I am not angry ->
LOL! Nah, you don't sound angry at all!
I still get a kick out of you making things up about posters in an attempt to feel superior and trying to find a vein of truth you think they might get upset over. :P
So you are going to try and tell us that your life ended up exactly how you wanted it?
You aimed that low? You wanted to be an uneducated housewife? You are happy with that?
All the educational resources of the wealthiest nation on the planet at your ready, and you said... "nah, I want to be a housewife whos life revolves around making friends on message boards"?
Can I bring you to class one day for show and tell?
I see by the papers in the Yankee Capital that Johnny Cochran, and of course Jesse and Al, are wheezing and blowing like a county-fair calliope with a leaky boiler. They always are. This time it was about the need to pay reparations for the ravages trala of slavery. It got me to thinking.
I hate it when that happens.
Now, I know I’m hard-hearted, and mean-spirited, and no damn good. It’s probably my only virtue. But on consideration, I realized that they might be right. The ravages of slavery do run deep, and cause motingator trouble, with no end in sight. I decided that compensation was only reasonable. Sometimes you don’t like a conclusion, but you have to reach it. All right. I’ll be a man about it.
You can pay me reparations, Johnny.
To start with, I figure you owe me for three bicycles. Maybe it’s a small thing, but I’m tired of losing bicycles. Are we talking market value or replacement? What I really want to be paid for is having to keep my latest two-wheeler in my living room. Do you know how many times I’ve knocked the fool thing over? And, oh, the scratch in my granddad’s antique desk that the brake lever made. What’s that worth?
Call it three grand. OK? Direct deposit would be nice.
But . . . how do we dollarize cultural retrogression? God knows I appreciate your offer of reparations, but I’m having trouble with the arithmetic. Help me.
A few years back, my middle-school daughter brought home a horrendously misspelled science hand-out. Now, Johnny: You and I both know that it’s easy to make a typo, and write “phenylkeetone” instead of “phenylketone.” But “feemelkeebome” is stretching it. The errors were of this sort. An understanding of chemistry clearly had never rippled the serene surface of the woman’s mind.
Without thinking, I asked, “What color is your teacher?” (If I had thought carefully, I would have asked, “What color is your teacher?”) My daughter responded with an anguished, “Da-d-d-d-y!” She had made the connection, but knew she wasn’t supposed to.
I’ve got no problem with black teachers, if they are competent. No problem at all. But a teacher who is too ignorant to spell her subject, and too lazy to use a dictionary, ought to be flipping burgers. Simple burgers, with no moving parts. Thing is, we can’t fire ignorant teachers, Johnny, because of the lingering effects of slavery. I can yell at an ignorant white teacher, but not at a black one. To expect blacks to meet standards is racist. You can send me the price of four years of tuition in a private school outside the country.
What’s the cost of permanent welfare? Subsidized everything? Enormous police departments? What do you figure? Just add it to your tab. Have you thought about setting up an endowment?
But here’s a large ravage of slavery, Johnny: Fear.
What price do we put on looking over our shoulders? On watching to be sure we don’t go one subway stop too far? Warning our girlfriends not to drive on certain streets? Checking the clientele of Seven-Eleven before going in at night?
People in, say, Switzerland can walk their streets after dark. We can’t. Why? What have we got that they don’t, that might cause fear?
Elvis impersonators, Johnny. Yep. Switzerland doesn’t have any Elvis impersonators. Check for yourself.
What’s fear worth? Is it a minimum-wage job? Forty-hour week or twenty-four hours a day? Benefits? Seniority pay as people grow older, weaker, and less able to defend themselves? You see the actuarial difficulty. Accounting is a more difficult trade than you might think.
The white guy beaten to death 100 yards from my door last year – they never caught the killers, but – what you reckon, Johnny? Do you figure it was white Presbyterian women from the old-ladies’ home? That’s my guess. That’s who usually does it. Anyway, you can send me $540 for the Sig 9mm pistol I bought after blacks started moving into the neighborhood and crime went up. And ammo, carry permit, Hydra-Shock rounds.
Now, millions of honest blacks might write and say, “Fred, we aren’t criminals. Why should we pay for what other blacks do?” Splendid question. But of course whites say, “We don’t have any slaves. Why should we pay for what some other whites did?” If it is a reasonable question for blacks to ask, as indeed it is, why isn’t it a reasonable question for whites to ask?
But while you are in a mood to pay up, Johnny, let me introduce a useful concept: Civilizational rent. You’ll like this. It’s such a good idea.
A culture is essentially software. No? Sure, there are physical embodiments: positron-emission scanners, high-bypass turbofans, radar with Doppler beam-sharpening. Yet basically a culture is a body of knowledge, like Microsoft Word. (All right, throw in values. But I don’t want to make this too difficult.)
White guys invented these things at considerable cost. We had to. Europe doesn’t have much low-hanging fruit, and it gets cold in the north. So generations of people that I’m sure you’re familiar with – Newton, Leibniz, Galois, Gauss, Carnot, Dirac – did work that led to all kinds of useful . . . you know . . stuff.
Western civilization, it’s called.
As a result of slavery, you have been using our civilization without a license. (I know: You’re having trouble with the idea of implied retroactive acceptance of a license I invented five minutes ago. Microsoft would grasp it in a heartbeat. Anyway, I’m writing the column.)
Further, you’ve been using it for a long time, Johnny. Air-conditioning. Roads. Writing. The wheel. Complicated stuff like that. Medicine. Tractors. Shoes. Houses. I’ve spent time in Africa, where people live in stick things that look as if a Cub Scout had built a campfire and forgotten to light it. You’re getting a deal here, Johnny.
I don’t wish stick houses on anyone. I’m glad you have the benefits of electricity, clothes, and daytime TV. I’d love to see blacks study, earn degrees on their merits, prosper. Think of the trouble it would save. But – as suggested by your manly desire to pay reparations -- you owe us licensing fees. Granted, it’s hard to set a price on a culture. But if Microsoft Office goes for $250 at fire-sale prices, I guess a whole civilization is cheap at $100K a copy.
I believe we can do business, Johnny. I hope so. I can use the money.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 04:54 PM So you are going to try and tell us that your life ended up exactly how you wanted it?
You aimed that low? You wanted to be an uneducated housewife? You are happy with that?
All the educational resources of the wealthiest nation on the planet at your ready, and you said... "nah, I want to be a housewife whos life revolves around making friends on message boards"?
Can I bring you to class one day for show and tell?
Hehehe - you try SO hard, but you keep falling short in your attempts to decide what I've done in my life. :P
What I wanted my life to end up like has changed constantly. Here are just a small handful of things I "wanted" through the years:
There was a time I wanted to be a veterinarian. I was 10. Then I almost passed out when they gave my dog a shot (and I still can't watch my pets or my kid get shots....).
I wanted to become a psychologist. I was 17. But then found out I had to take 2 years of English, Math, Biology, etc. and I didn't feel like wasting 2 years of my life learning things I had no intention of ever using again (based on my math skills, I probably should have rethought that. :P )
I wanted to have 4 kids, be a housewife and live in a big house. I was 21. Then I realized how bored I was sitting at home all day with nothing to do but clean, cook and basically babysit.
I wanted to be a big wig in a major corporation. I was 30. Then I realized how many people I was going to have to screw over, how many 70 hour weeks I was going to have to give them and how fast my job (or any job) could be eliminated.
I wanted to work at home and live in a small cabin in the woods and basically spend my time doing whatever I wanted to do. I was 37. In fact, I bought a 4WD when I was living in the suburbs and everyone thought I was nuts - I told them I had every intention of moving where I'd need 4WD.....and I did.
So....yep, I'm doing EXACTLY what I want to do at this point in my life. Am I doing what I wanted to do previously? Of course not and thank goodness! Am I doing what I might want to do in 5-10 years? I hope not! I want to keep changing and doing new things.
I have no doubt that you're at a point in your education where you have "show and tell" and I'd be more than happy to be yours. Just tell me when and where.
Labret I'd love to see you sit down with a certain gentleman named Ken Hamblin and have one of your intellectual discussions. I've met him - hell I even gave him a rose in front of hundreds of people live on national radio.
Also before you leave I'd love for you to have a chat with another certain gentleman named Alan Keyes. Alas, I haven't met Mr. Keyes myself, but I would certainly love to.
Either one of those two men would tell you point blank that yes, blacks are far better off today here in America than they are in Africa.
And yes, both of these men are black.
If the blacks in this country are so hungry for a leader, a role model, or even a "brothah" who can speak up and have their issues heard in seconds and taken seriously - then they need to be looking towards either of these two men, not Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Jan 29 2004, 01:17 PM Labret I'd love to see you sit down with a certain gentleman named Ken Hamblin and have one of your intellectual discussions. I've met him - hell I even gave him a rose in front of hundreds of people live on national radio.
Also before you leave I'd love for you to have a chat with another certain gentleman named Alan Keyes. Alas, I haven't met Mr. Keyes myself, but I would certainly love to.
Either one of those two men would tell you point blank that yes, blacks are far better off today here in America than they are in Africa.
And yes, both of these men are black.
If the blacks in this country are so hungry for a leader, a role model, or even a "brothah" who can speak up and have their issues heard in seconds and taken seriously - then they need to be looking towards either of these two men, not Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
Black conservatives (Uncle Toms as most blacks would call them) will not bite the hand that feeds.
Black conservatives ahahahaah thats almost as good as a Jew Klansman.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 05:16 PM What was it you said about explanations?
I've said they were funny as heck watching you flounder around trying to make them.
You asked a question and I answered it, hehehe. :P Here's a little bit of free education for you - there's a big difference between answering a question and us making a simple comment about you and you spending pages trying to explain how we're wrong.
Like I said, you only got a small handful in my answer - which apparently fed you quite well. You're so easy.
What hand is feeding them, Labret?
They're both educated, successful men. The only hand feeding them is their own.
Your logic works when applied to poor ghetto blacks living on welfare who actually have a hand that feeds them... but sorry, these two men don't fit *your* stereotypes.
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As opposed to black liberals, who do bite the hand that feeds them (the Democrats)??? Blacks vote in a giant 90+% block for Democrats.
Face it, intelligent blacks like professors Williams and Keyes know life is better in the United States than Africa.
So if the intelligent negro votes Republican, does that mean the 90% that vote Dem are stupid negro?
You are prepared to say the vast majority of blacks in America are stupid?
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And then there is Thomas Sowell, who would crush you so heavily in a debate about cultural relativity that if you had any shame you'd off yourself. Your insignificant bablings are nothing next to the wisdom of Sowell.
Like you can understand either of them. You have been reduced to spending an hour Googling in order to quote someone else. Impressive.
D'Souza challenges one of the central premises of today's intelligentsia: The equality of all cultures. "If one begins with the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal, then the world as it is makes very little sense," he says. Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.
Immigrants "are walking refutations of cultural relativism," D'Souza says, because "they are voting with their feet in favor of the new culture" represented by America and the West. There is "a one-way movement from tribal, agrarian cultures toward modern, industrialized, American-style cultures." Why, he asks "would immigrants voluntarily uproot themselves and relocate to another society unless they were deeply convinced that, on balance, the new culture was better than the old culture?"
According to D'Souza, "the free society is not simply richer, more varied, and more fun: it is also morally superior." Millions of Americans "who live decent praiseworthy lives deserve our highest admiration because they have opted for the good when the good is not the only available option."
"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."
Huzzah! *salute*
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As opposed to black liberals, who do bite the hand that feeds them (the Democrats)??? Blacks vote in a giant 90+% block for Democrats.
Face it, intelligent blacks like professors Williams and Keyes know life is better in the United States than Africa.
So if the intelligent negro votes Republican, does that mean the 90% that vote Dem are stupid negro?
You are prepared to say the vast majority of blacks in America are stupid?
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And then there is Thomas Sowell, who would crush you so heavily in a debate about cultural relativity that if you had any shame you'd off yourself. Your insignificant bablings are nothing next to the wisdom of Sowell.
Like you can understand either of them. You have been reduced to spending an hour Googling in order to quote someone else. Impressive.
Really.
One small step for man, one giant leap to conclusion for Labret.
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"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."
Originally posted by [Labret]@Jan 29 2004, 03:46 PM So if the intelligent negro votes Republican, does that mean the 90% that vote Dem are stupid negro?
You are prepared to say the vast majority of blacks in America are stupid?
Of course not. Many in that 90% are opportunists -- selling out to the Democrats for a free ride.
Of course, to answer your question directly:
If blacks and whites are equal, why is there "affirmative action" at all?
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