Slick today on gfy

[sarettah]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=687404

Now that I know the story on your end, I should start off by saying, DirectNic, I'm sorry for what has happend here. You received a complaint against me for having illegal content on my pages, so you firstly sent me an email for me to verify it, giving me a chance to prove myself. When I got the email, at first I didn't realize who it was from and with the demand for model ids, I figured I'd bring it up over here to verify the validity of the email and also find out who Intercosmos was. Well, that lit a fire over here. While it was growing here, my attorney sent you an email and you offered a solution to verify a few of the girls on one of my sites, so we could put this behind us and move on with things.

Well, during that time, all hell broke loose on this board and everywhere else, after seeing that I went public and started a fire, you thought "Screw this guy, we're trying to work things out with him, and he's gone public" (in other words) so you cut off negotiations and shut my sites down. You know, if i was you, I would've done the same exact thing. I'm sure anybody here would have.

Yesterday, we got some negotiations going with Mr. Nance which he offered to open up all but the 5 main offending sites, while I work on a few things. One of sites that was in those 5 was my biggest site, Amateur Curves. After my attorney explained how important that site was to my network, Mr. Nance was nice enough to allow that site to re-open, and I do greatly appreciate that. Naughty Thoughts, Filthy Brats, Major Pervert, and Really Eighteen are the 4 sites that are still down.

So again, I have to apologize and say to everyone on here, that I was wrong in bringing this to the board, I should've waited it out and found out more through email. I always figured that GFY is the place to find out information on everything. If I just would've kept if off of here, we would've worked it out and everything would've been fine. Neither of us would have had a tarnished repuation. I'd also like to thank DirectNic for working with me, even after all the stuff that's been flung around on here, they offered to get things patched up between us.

I guess this whole ordeal has opened my eyes a little bit. I guess when you're doing what you're doing for so long, you don't always notice things until another set of eyes is looking at it. Ya know, I never received ONE single complaint directly to me about the girls on any of my pages, NOT EVEN ONE. Then it comes up here and half the board does have a problem with what's on there. Like I stated from the start, I've only used legit sponsors, so I assumed that all was fine because the galleries came from repitable sponsors, not really thinking of the fact that some girls might look too young and offend someone.

So, I guess for me, it's time for change. I'm going through all of my sites, even the non-DirectNic registered sites and I'm looking for content that could be considered "young looking" and deleting it. I will also be going through my trades on a more timely basis to see if I can find anything bad. I might eventually hire someone to manage the trades for me. I offered this challenge a couple of times before for someone to point out to me any content on my sites that they feel is inappropriate or trades that they feel contain CP, but ya know, I never got one single email or ICQ.

I'm not gonna sit here and comment anymore on the matter. I guess that's what got me into this problem to begin with. I should've followed my bud's saying, "There's nothing I never said, that's ever come back to hurt me".

I just wanted to let all of you know what's going on since people are seeing my sites back up and probably wondering what's going on. Hopefully we can get this situation put behind us and move on with with business.

[Peaches]

Sounds like he finally found an attorney.

[Jace]

so, he made public what Directnic did and they got mad?

seems pretty childish and I still think they were in the wrong

I am sure the fact that they lost THOUSANDS of domains registered in their system didn't help either, I know of at least 1500 domains gone from there personally

[softball]

Originally Posted by Jace

so, he made public what Directnic did and they got mad?

seems pretty childish and I still think they were in the wrong

I am sure the fact that they lost THOUSANDS of domains registered in their system didn't help either, I know of at least 1500 domains gone from there personally

They were very, very wrong as far as I can see. This kid had to eat humble pie to regain his business. All those in favour of turning over regulation of the internet to registrars, the line forms on the right.....the extreme right.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by Jace

so, he made public what Directnic did and they got mad?

seems pretty childish and I still think they were in the wrong

I am sure the fact that they lost THOUSANDS of domains registered in their system didn't help either, I know of at least 1500 domains gone from there personally

And I'm willing to bet those 1500 domains didn't bother reading their new registrars TOS either.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Peaches

And I'm willing to bet those 1500 domains didn't bother reading their new registrars TOS either.

You can write anything you like into a tos. Does not make it legal just because you say so. Peaches, as you are a pornographer your defense of this action seems more personal than professional.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You can write anything you like into a tos. Does not make it legal just because you say so. Peaches, as you are a pornographer your defense of this action seems more personal than professional.

A point I mentioned before. Terms of service cannot force you to break the law. Think of this example.

If you have a contract with someone else for them to kill that person, it may be a legally "binding" contract with the legalese, but could someone truly enforce a contract to break a law? If there are privacy laws involved (and that hasn't been confirmed or denied yet), no TOS in the world could force someone to break the law to comply.

[Peaches]

LOL, Rhetorical is still posting to me? Dude, you've been on IGNORE for WEEKS. Grasp that concept, please.

And LM, yes, TOS can supercede the law in many jurisdictions. I've said this MANY times before. I signed a contract with my HOA that says I can't paint my house pink or they'll fine me and put a lien on my house. Or they can come and paint it, charge me for it, and put a lien on my house. It is NOT illegal in GA to paint a house pink. But a contract CAN supercede laws. Not all of them, but it's done - daily.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Peaches

LOL, Rhetorical is still posting to me? Dude, you've been on IGNORE for WEEKS. Grasp that concept, please.

And LM, yes, TOS can supercede the law in many jurisdictions. I've said this MANY times before. I signed a contract with my HOA that says I can't paint my house pink or they'll fine me and put a lien on my house. Or they can come and paint it, charge me for it, and put a lien on my house. It is NOT illegal in GA to paint a house pink. But a contract CAN supercede laws. Not all of them, but it's done - daily.

Peaches your wasting your breathe, people refuse to see how things are done in the grown up world. Also LM this was US company to Us company we dont have privacy laws like Canada so that argument doesnt work. Reading these things the past few has really turned my stomach and for the first time made me ashamed to be in adult. Defending possible CP and condemning a company who acted responsible are condemned for acting like the internet police,when we all should be active in policing that shit. turns my stomach.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

A point I mentioned before. Terms of service cannot force you to break the law. Think of this example.

If you have a contract with someone else for them to kill that person, it may be a legally "binding" contract with the legalese, but could someone truly enforce a contract to break a law? If there are privacy laws involved (and that hasn't been confirmed or denied yet), no TOS in the world could force someone to break the law to comply.

But they can enforce the TOS until an authority tells them they cannot. It requires someone getting in front of a judge and all that.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by sarettah

But they can enforce the TOS until an authority tells them they cannot. It requires someone getting in front of a judge and all that.

True. I don't understand why there isn't some universal terms of service that companies use as a basis. It seems the biggest problem in the domain market is that every company does things so dramatically differently, and their terms cover such a huge gammut of different things, most people couldn't even begin to understand the implications of the differences.

And yes, I know you're going to say "those people should get a lawyer", but realistically your average joe buying domains (adult or otherwise) wouldn't be able to do that.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

And yes, I know you're going to say "those people should get a lawyer", but realistically your average joe buying domains (adult or otherwise) wouldn't be able to do that.

You shouldn't be running a business if you can't afford a lawyer and turning off a domain is only going to hurt you financially if you're running a business.

[LadyMischief]

Originally Posted by Peaches

You shouldn't be running a business if you can't afford a lawyer and turning off a domain is only going to hurt you financially if you're running a business.

I agree with you. However this isn't always the case and it's those that DO NOT practice a business as a business that threaten those of us that conduct ourselves in a businesslike fashion. Unfortunately the lowest common demoninator thing applies here. What happens to them eventually trickles down (or rather, up in this case). I hate constantly suffering and having to change the way I do business because some idiot who can't bother to get a lawyer does something stupid. But if those things do happen, I guess we all have to be prepared.

[Hammer]

LMFAO. He got an email about the content on his sites and went to GFY because "I always figured that GFY is the place to find out information on everything".

Another typical GFY moron.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Peaches

LOL, Rhetorical is still posting to me? Dude, you've been on IGNORE for WEEKS. Grasp that concept, please.

And LM, yes, TOS can supercede the law in many jurisdictions. I've said this MANY times before. I signed a contract with my HOA that says I can't paint my house pink or they'll fine me and put a lien on my house. Or they can come and paint it, charge me for it, and put a lien on my house. It is NOT illegal in GA to paint a house pink. But a contract CAN supercede laws. Not all of them, but it's done - daily.

I know you are watching me....lololo.dudette, don't you know I know?

Now...
"TOS can supercede the law in many jurisdictions"
That is ludicrous. You need to go back to school. Or you have really bad legal advice. In fact the situation you described does not back up your silly argument.

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

Peaches your wasting your breathe, people refuse to see how things are done in the grown up world. Also LM this was US company to Us company we dont have privacy laws like Canada so that argument doesnt work. Reading these things the past few has really turned my stomach and for the first time made me ashamed to be in adult. Defending possible CP and condemning a company who acted responsible are condemned for acting like the internet police,when we all should be active in policing that shit. turns my stomach.

You gotta read the posts, tony. This is not about CP it is about the law. It is about who enforces that law. Not private militias or bounty hunters. But legally constituted bodies. DN is not one of them. They had a legal route and there are agencies to deal with this. It is about enforcement. One more time CP is a red herring. Listen up.

[edward]

this may be the 1st time ive ever seen peaches call someone dude, that i can remember anyway

[softball]

Originally Posted by edward

this may be the 1st time ive ever seen peaches call someone dude, that i can remember anyway

LMFAOROF

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Peaches

And I'm willing to bet those 1500 domains didn't bother reading their new registrars TOS either.

I had a nice intelligent response all typed out, but I can see that trying to make a point in a discussion with you is about as easy as trying to trying to find lifeboat space as a 3rd class passenger on the Titanic, useless

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Hammer

LMFAO. He got an email about the content on his sites and went to GFY because "I always figured that GFY is the place to find out information on everything".

Another typical GFY moron.

yeah, I still don't understand why someone would instantly run to GFY first when getting an email like that?

FIRST thing I would have done would be to call DirectNic, instantly, and talk with someone in charge.....seems like he waited til the 2nd or 3rd til he even tried that

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You gotta read the posts, tony. This is not about CP it is about the law. It is about who enforces that law. Not private militias or bounty hunters. But legally constituted bodies. DN is not one of them. They had a legal route and there are agencies to deal with this. It is about enforcement. One more time CP is a red herring. Listen up.

They had a TOS he agree to it, so they can enforce it. You sign a contract, you got to follow the rules.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by tony404

They had a TOS he agree to it, so they can enforce it. You sign a contract, you got to follow the rules.

while I do agree with your point, I also think that a TOS is only as good as the person that wrote it, and in court TOS's get thrown out all the time

and also, there is FAR more going on here than a TOS....my opinion is that someone higher up, far above Directnic, was investigating or inquired about all this...I think once Directnic gets their ducks in a row, we will most likely hear about how they were working with another agency

hell, even google has the domain listed as "possible child porn" now, which makes me think someone else is pushing buttons

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

while I do agree with your point, I also think that a TOS is only as good as the person that wrote it, and in court TOS's get thrown out all the time

and also, there is FAR more going on here than a TOS....my opinion is that someone higher up, far above Directnic, was investigating or inquired about all this...I think once Directnic gets their ducks in a row, we will most likely hear about how they were working with another agency

hell, even google has the domain listed as "possible child porn" now, which makes me think someone else is pushing buttons

Really?

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

They had a TOS he agree to it, so they can enforce it. You sign a contract, you got to follow the rules.

Not if the TOS are illegal in the first place. You can sign a legal contract to break the law and the execution of the contract is illegal.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Not if the TOS are illegal in the first place. You can sign a legal contract to break the law and the execution of the contract is illegal.

Where did you get your law degree? Your assuming its illegal because you dont like the outcome. That was probably written by a room full of lawyers. I hope he sues them it would be something to see the look on slicks face when the judge asks if it was cp and if not did he have the proof it wasnt.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Jace

while I do agree with your point, I also think that a TOS is only as good as the person that wrote it, and in court TOS's get thrown out all the time

and also, there is FAR more going on here than a TOS....my opinion is that someone higher up, far above Directnic, was investigating or inquired about all this...I think once Directnic gets their ducks in a row, we will most likely hear about how they were working with another agency

hell, even google has the domain listed as "possible child porn" now, which makes me think someone else is pushing buttons

TOS's get thrown out all the time, got some examples ?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Really?

http://www.google.com/search?q=reall...ient=firefox-a

In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 2 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=1496

Child Pornography Complaint to Google

[Jace]

Originally Posted by tony404

TOS's get thrown out all the time, got some examples ?

nope, sure don't, just going off what a very well known lawyer in the adult industry said in his forum on another board

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Jace

nope, sure don't, just going off what a very well known lawyer in the adult industry said in his forum on another board

Go back and ask him for examples Im curious and if it did happen I cant image how much money that would cost.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Jace

nope, sure don't, just going off what a very well known lawyer in the adult industry said in his forum on another board

hahaha Jace thats weak bro... try it like this;

TOS gets thrown out all the time as it is referenced on This Thread over on This Board and was posted by This Guy who graduated This Law School and pratices law out of This Law Firm.

apparently reading about the law or laws that pertain to this industry is derfinitely not good enough without links heh heh


spaz

[Jace]

let me just also state ONCE AGAIN, since people are starting to think I am siding with Slick on this one

I think both parties handled this extremely wrong

I also don't think the TOS of DirectNic had ANYTHING to do with this....there are WAY too many signs pointing to a high government agency involved with all this

I think the niche Slick was working in was a doomed one to begin with, and I don't' think he should have been as surprised as he was to find his sites shut down

I also think that Directnic should not have gotten as upset as they did over forum posts and moved his deadline up without telling him

all in all, I think this is all extremely stupid, and I probably am not going to spend much more time typing or thinking about it, there is just no reason for me to other to argue with peaches on who is the better arguer

one more thing, I don't think that a TOS should allow a company to do whatever they want, whenever they want......

[Jace]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

hahaha Jace thats weak bro... try it like this;

TOS gets thrown out all the time as it is referenced on This Thread over on This Board and was posted by This Guy who graduated This Law School and pratices law out of This Law Firm.

apparently reading about the law or laws that pertain to this industry is derfinitely not good enough without links heh heh


spaz

very true very true, hell I can't even find the thread now where he talked about it, guess I will start a new one and await his reply

[softball]

"Where did you get your law degree?"
Same place you got yours, Tony. My apologise if you are a lawyer, but by your advice I would guess not.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

http://www.google.com/search?q=reall...ient=firefox-a

In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 2 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=1496

Child Pornography Complaint to Google

Really?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Really?

no

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"Where did you get your law degree?"
Same place you got yours, Tony. My apologise if you are a lawyer, but by your advice I would guess not.

Im not a lawyer but I know how business works,I worked in the real world for many yrs before coming to the porn world. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it illegal, also if your going to do business with a company and read their tos and disagree with it . Find another company to do business with. Whats so hard to understand.if you agree to their rules thats it pretty cut and dry. also has slick said if it was cp or not and who the sponsor was or did that get forgotten about ?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

also has slick said if it was cp or not and who the sponsor was or did that get forgotten about ?

Nobody realizes this is the main issue.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Nobody realizes this is the main issue.

thank you

[Jace]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Nobody realizes this is the main issue.

everybody realizes that, but everyone wants to fight about everything, so some of the important issues get lost in the fuss

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

no

I knew you were pulling my leg

[Jace]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I knew you were pulling my leg

how can I resist, it is so sexy

nair or wax?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Jace

how can I resist, it is so sexy

nair or wax?

Usually battery acid

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Nobody realizes this is the main issue.

I disagree. The main issue is who polices the population. Businessmen or elected or appointed authorities? If DN was uncomfortable with a product they registered, kick them off thier system and report the alleged crime to the proper authorities. In this case, the FBI perhaps.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I disagree. The main issue is who polices the population. Businessmen or elected or appointed authorities? If DN was uncomfortable with a product they registered, kick them off thier system and report the alleged crime to the proper authorities. In this case, the FBI perhaps.

Its cool to have differing views.
Ive always drawn strength from it. I prefer to call that the big picture while the main issue is who had stuff on the net in out community so far down the path that Sig and Mike AI would question it as child porn?

Mike has shot his fair share of that genre to know the real deal when he sees it. And I cant recall an instance of Sig going off half cocked.

I suspect that theres more here than meets the eye.

I for one applaud the effort that DirectNic is making to help legitimize this industry. However I do not think I would have the balls to go as far as they already have gone.

As in many cases 2007 will reveal some very interesting truths.