Naked Rhino Sues Too Much Media

[gonzo]

TRENTON, N.J. - Naked Rhino Media has filed a defamation and breach of contract suit in federal court against Too Much Media, creators of the NATS back-end affiliate program software, and the company’s Chief Executive Officer John Albright.

More dirt at
http://avnonline.com/index.php?Prima...tent_ID=274491

[Peaches]

Hell, I need to call a lawyer.

[gonzo]

I bet this ends up having an impact on board piss in the long run.

[Hammer]

That's hilarious. Maybe now some of these people that take every little thing to the boards like it's accepted business practice will think twice.

I don't condone what they did if they did shave, but NATS had no business posting it. Very unprofessional.

It is funny though that it doesn't seem that Rhino is claiming they didn't shave, they are just suing because they claim NATS intentionally libelled them because NATS isn't foolproof and they wanted to do some damage control before everyone started pointing that out.

[Peaches]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I bet this ends up having an impact on board piss in the long run.

Very true. It's probably why employees of some large companies have been advised by their corporate attorneys to STFU on the boards

[Hammer]

Well Gonzo, you're going to have to be careful what you say on Hammer Uncut now. Either that or I'll have to add a disclaimer that I'm not responsible for the opinions of the show's guests.

[TheEnforcer]

Well, this could be fun to watch. Could lead to all sorts of interesting stuff to be sure.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Well Gonzo, you're going to have to be careful what you say on Hammer Uncut now. Either that or I'll have to add a disclaimer that I'm not responsible for the opinions of the show's guests.

Add a disclaimer cuz I hear theres more dirt on this.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Add a disclaimer cuz I hear theres more dirt on this.

Yup, the jungle drums are saying there's a bunch more going on that we haven't heard about yet.

[gonzo]

http://avnonline.com/imagearchive/27...dComplaint.pdf

[Hell Puppy]

E.B. was left out.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

E.B. was left out.

EB will settle for some canned peaches in the back corner.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by gonzo

EB will settle for some canned peaches in the back corner.

canned peaches sometimes give you the shits....even with cinamon sprinkled on 'em.

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

canned peaches sometimes give you the shits....even with cinamon sprinkled on 'em.

I got a secret weapon

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

I got a secret weapon

i dunno, a FFN with the shits is a serious threat. more than one "custodial engineer" has quit his job in the aftermath.

[TheEnforcer]

Ok.. there's codespeak going on...

[Jace]

back on the topic of the thread

I can tell you this...This whole situation is going to get VERY ugly before it gets even close to being better.

There is some seriously shady shit going on by one of the parties involved, and that will come to light VERY soon. All this lawsuit is, is a distraction from the original topic at hand.

The fucked up part of everything is that the actual complaint is full of so many lies that it could end up getting them into some trouble if anyone is called to speak their sides.

Chris and Brandi never started anything on their own, everything was Vegas and Angel's brainstorm from the start, in fact there are about 10 people that can totally vouche for that considering when they launched XclusiveCash.com at internext, they stood up in front of about 10-15 people and said something to the effect of "this was Vegas and Angel's idea from the start, and we are proud to be a part of it"

[Mike AI]

In my opinion that complaint is poorly written, but VERY funny.

I would love to see the clerks face when reading it.

[Hammer]

As far a I can tell, they're saying "Hey, you guys caught us with our hands in the cookie jar, but then you told everyone about it which caused us to drop the jar so now we're suing you for breaking our jar."

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by Mike AI

In my opinion that complaint is poorly written, but VERY funny.

I would love to see the clerks face when reading it.

I read the complaint and thought it was humorous as well. I'll bet anyone money TMM wins, and not only that, it gets thrown out of court in a relatively early stage. I hope the lawyers are getting paid and not working on contingency, i'm sure they would know better than to take contingency on this one.

What's classic is what was originally posted by the TMM crew was something along the lines of "There was a discrepancy, we were met with profanity and resistance, so we are terminating their license." They never said they shaved. In the complaint, NR cites all these board posters for making insinuations on shaving. Technically - they should be suing those people, not TMM. I'm no lawyer, but the original statement were statement of facts that cannot be denied as false, nor have they been denied as false.

[Hammer]

It's been awhile since I saw the thread, but as I recall, they accused Rhino of discrepancies, that although may not have been a direct accusation, certainly inferred shaving.

[Mish]

The reality is, regardless of calling out another business' ethics on the boards, if NATS is found guilty of libel, I believe they will have some serious reprecussions to face that will hit them directly in the wallet. They're not the only game in town.

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by Hammer

It's been awhile since I saw the thread, but as I recall, they accused Rhino of discrepancies, that although may not have been a direct accusation, certainly inferred shaving.

"This is a notification that Too Much Media, makers of the NATS affiliate systems, have been forced to temporarily suspend the NATS license belonging to N.R. Media, owners and operators of XclusiveCash.com

There was a discrepancy between the number of rebills reported to the NATS system from the rebills reported by CCBill. Upon attempting to rectify the situation with executives of N.R. media Too Much Media was met with full resistance and profanity as well as an abruptly terminated phone call.

At which point N.R. media agrees to fully repopulate the CCBill rebill data to represent the correct figures Too Much Media will reinstate the NATS license.

The suspension of the NATS license will not affect ongoing affiliate sales. It will only disable the administration area of NATS so that the program is rendered unusable until the situation is sorted out."


Read it, over and over again and point out where NATS said they were shaving. If NR has issues with being accused as shavers, they have to go after the people who literally said it and brought it to that level. Good luck proving inferences in a court of law, especially with that original statement.

As for TMM, if they lose significant business over this (which I doubt), based upon false claims in the complaint and the fact it was published on big websites (the fact they made it sound like it was a cover up for faulty software - who knows if this is true), I would say they have a much better case as a counter-suit, but I don't think there is any money to collect. John and crew are very smart, and his statement is nothing but a set of facts.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Mish@LVNCash

The reality is, regardless of calling out another business' ethics on the boards, if NATS is found guilty of libel, I believe they will have some serious reprecussions to face that will hit them directly in the wallet. They're not the only game in town.

Pornographers suing each other in a court of law.

Not wise. The judge will be repulsed and disgusted with both of them.

Discovery on this is going to be the bitch.
And when that comes to light it will be the end of one those companies.

I know a lot of people are watching to see what becomes of this.

[Hammer]

Proving libel is incredibly difficult. First of all they'll have to prove that what was posted wasn't true and then they have to PROVE that it affected their business financially. Good luck on that one.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Proving libel is incredibly difficult. First of all they'll have to prove that what was posted wasn't true and then they have to PROVE that it affected their business financially. Good luck on that one.

"Well ya see your honor we were on this porn board called Go Fuck Yourself" and pimpdog said we were shaving."

Imagine the judges eyes with that one sentence.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

"Well ya see your honor we were on this porn board called Go Fuck Yourself" and pimpdog said we were shaving."

Imagine the judges eyes with that one sentence.

I have to admit I'd get a certain amount of satisfaction in seeing pimpleboy getting smacked down.

[Greg B]

Oh, all this shit started on GFY?

Where the fuck were the moderators and why didn't they stop it according to their so-called rules?

GFY is bullshit. They let whomever they want to tear ass as they please so that about makes this story and case about as interesting as shaved ass hair.

If people had been doing their job in the first place, the arguments and accusations should have been put in check after the first post.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Oh, all this shit started on GFY?

...snip...

If people had been doing their job in the first place, the arguments and accusations should have been put in check after the first post.

[Hell Puppy]

This is exactly why you should NOT censor a board. If you do, you are exercising editorial control in which case you are assuming some responsibility for what's posted. Prodigy and Compuserve worked thru this nearly 20 years ago.

But I'm no lawyer nor do I play one on TV.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

This is exactly why you should NOT censor a board. If you do, you are exercising editorial control in which case you are assuming some responsibility for what's posted. Prodigy and Compuserve worked thru this nearly 20 years ago.

But I'm no lawyer nor do I play one on TV.

It's GFY. It's a forked tongue spam board that caters to friends and sponsors. There're no guidelines of steel over there. It's about favoritism in business and even though it's no standard in excellence, the minute the shit started it should have been squashed.

I'm surprised they're not included in the action for allowing that shit to go on past the first post. However if you insult a friend of one of the moderators you're gone in 60 seconds.

Bad business all around for all.

[JR]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I bet this ends up having an impact on board piss in the long run.

i think it should. if someone takes it upon themselves to play judge, jury and executioner, then takes steps to hurt another company, then they should be liable for damages that result. people are too quick to throw around the words "theif" - "shave" etc. it seems like more than 90% of people that complain or are calling someone out are the ones at fault.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by JR

i think it should. if someone takes it upon themselves to play judge, jury and executioner, then takes steps to hurt another company, then they should be liable for damages that result. people are too quick to throw around the words "theif" - "shave" etc. it seems like more than 90% of people that complain or are calling someone out are the ones at fault.

You can say that again.

In other words:

" Whoever smelt it dealt it."

[Toby]

Originally Posted by JR

...people are too quick to throw around the words "theif" - "shave" etc...

Go back and read TMM's statements again, ignore what everyone else said. TMM chose their words carefully, made no accusations. They simply stated what had transpired and why they'd suspended NRM's software license. Not once did they used the words thief or shave.