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Anthony....Being slightly manic and bi polar is like being a little bit pregnant.....You either have it or you don't. You can have some personality traits that lead you to some manic behaviours; but, you're not bi polar unless you are.
not necessarily true, Raven.. you can be manic, or depressive, or both, to varying degrees... Bi-Polar disorder can come in varying degrees.. from the slow to fast cycling bipolars.. depending on how fast you switch from highs to lows.. also, the length of your mani and depression are factors too.. are you so depressed you dont get out of bed and have suicidal thoughts, or so manic you have homicidal or irrational thoughts.. sever manic episodes can even trigger schizophrenic breaks.. leading to much more dangerous disorders..
heres a good definition of bipolar disorder from wikopedia.
The thing I've noticed is tha I don't notice when I get manic. I always thought I get excited alot.
The Bi Polar I think I've got kicked. I don't have problems with it when I stay healthy and excercise. I'm just too fucking tired to have highs and lows.
Originally posted by MissEve@Feb 11 2005, 02:34 PM Peaches, what happens if you take birth control pills and just skip your periods?
many people skip their periods i am skipping my periods right now what happens when yhou skip your periods run on sentances is what happens my english teachers warned against skipping periods and commas.
Originally posted by MissEve@Feb 11 2005, 06:34 PM Peaches, what happens if you take birth control pills and just skip your periods?
Tried that too - my period is stronger than the pill - I had one every month even when I took the pills nonstop.
I wanted to take the Depo-provera shot but the Dr. said I'd have the same results. That was a year or so ago and IMHO, he wasn't very agressive (then again, he's not a neurologist, it was my OB/GYN). I have an appointment soon with my regular internist (who is also a good friend from before he was a Dr. and he's good about letting me "try" stuff) and I'm going to talk to him about it.
I had the same thought you did - if the periods make me sick, let's get rid of them
Agoraphobia is very common.. its an adaptive disorder.. you spend so much time indoors, that you develope an attachment to one place. A sense of security that becomes an axiety disorder. Like all anxieties, there is a trigger, and a barrier where the anxiety becomes intolerable. the trigger in this case would be the need to go to the mailbox.. the barrier being the front door. This manifests in a physiological reaction.. blood pressure and heart rate goes up, breathing shortens and shallows, muscles cramp and twich. It is not a true phobia as it isnt a fear by definition. There are quite a few medications that can treat Agoraphobia.. Xanax or Colonopin work, they are short term anti anxiety medications..they can get you out the door. The problem with true agoraphobia is that the next secure location you are in when the drugs wear off becomes your prison... the cycle repeats. It is not social anxiety disorder at all. Paxil is used to treat Social Anxiety disorder, which is defined as, duh.. Anxiety caused by the trigger of a social or busy setting.. the response being the same flight mechanism that keeps Agoraphobics inside, but in reverse. Often misdiagnosed and treated wrongly, Agoraphobia has genetic links, can be tied to drug use, especially stimulants, or other drugs which consistantly cause a severe paranoid reaction.
anyway.. i digress your severe depression was probably caused by yanking yourself off of an SSRI that had already ramped up to the plateud dosage levels. its a sudden reuptake of Seratonin that can floor you. in other words you crash hard.
your body will try to jerk itself, at all costs, into a natural rhythm.. a wake or sleep pattern, a work pattern, a play pattern, an eating/drinking pattern.. the body is adeptly tuned to adapt to whatever you throw at it. Alchoholism, Eating Disorders, "Addictive personalities" are all examples of how the body copes with unnatural patterns being fed through it. When we rail against the adapted patterns, anxiety can be a symptom. when we completely rewire ourselves to a normal rhythm, we go through another adaptive process (withdrawal) where one set of norms is replaced by another.. from 24/7 to 9-5 or from coffee to heroin, not a nice process. In the end though, the body fully adapts if you let it.
The need for medication is hand in hand with the outside social stressors that force people into certain patterns. Banks are only open certain hours. You have to be at work by 9, school starts early, the post office closes early, etc... you are expected to squeeze your life into this, because that is the only way to function in a "normal" society.. the well adjusted can handle it, the not so well adjusted need a little help.
Ive yet to meet a well adjusted adult never mind a webmaster but who am i kidding, im nuts
One can have obsessive/compulsive traits and not have OCD, Grimm.
It's the same thing with bi polar disorder...one can have manic episodes without actually having the disorder....
And, at the end of the day, we call it the practise of medicine because we haven't perfected it yet.
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Originally posted by Raven@Feb 11 2005, 04:10 PM One can have obsessive/compulsive traits and not have OCD, Grimm.
It's the same thing with bi polar disorder...one can have manic episodes without actually having the disorder....
And, at the end of the day, we call it the practise of medicine because we haven't perfected it yet.
agreed on all points, i wasnt disagreeing whod have thought that a post about st johns wart would have 60 something responses..lol..
Ryan.. just reread your post.. Xanax has the same effect on me.. i do not get high at all, i calm down. its body chemisty dude, and an order/disorder sort of paradox
I know you weren't disagreeing, Grimm.....it's been an interesting discussion....considering it started about st. john's wort.....don't even get me started on vitamins and that little blindfold over people's eyes....oh yeah, and milk...and wheat......oy vey!
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Originally posted by Raven@Feb 11 2005, 04:17 PM I know you weren't disagreeing, Grimm.....it's been an interesting discussion....considering it started about st. john's wort.....don't even get me started on vitamins and that little blindfold over people's eyes....oh yeah, and milk...and wheat......oy vey!
yeah you want to try explaining to every american who was raised on 3 glasses of milk a day how bad the shit is for you you thought the carb/fat myth took a few years to get some credit.... hahahaha
Originally posted by Anthony@Feb 11 2005, 05:28 PM Little bastard has a mean right hook though!
Try sports with him Lance. His face just lit up when I told him to kick and punch at my hands.
Him actually hitting and kicking surprised even me.
hahah, yeah he does
we've had problems getting him signed up for sports because of his lack of communication, but I've tried music and that's helped a lot
he wouldn't play for you, but he played at a recent school pageant....he played "Iron Man" and got me in trouble (I'm the VP of the PTO board and ok'd the song for the pageant ;-)) but the music has definitely helped during his higher stress times...
I'm also thinking of taking him down to the local karate school and enrolling with him and do it as a father-son thing and see if that helps as well
Originally posted by Raven@Feb 11 2005, 04:38 PM I wouldn't dare, Peaches.... Even though milk has been associated with so many ailments....and we are the only mammals who do not wean....
Nick. You are so right. From now on, I shall be eccentric. It suits my classiness.
Excellent! I'm as eccentric as a motherfucker myself.
Originally posted by Raven@Feb 11 2005, 08:38 PM I wouldn't dare, Peaches.... Even though milk has been associated with so many ailments....and we are the only mammals who do not wean....
We are the only mammals who cook their food, wear clothes and drive cars too.
There are a LOT of things I do that are bad for me - drinking milk is probably the very least of my worries.
Originally posted by MissEve@Feb 11 2005, 08:54 PM Damn, I thought if the pill could stop the Eskimo breeding hormones it could stop anything I've been skipping my periods and its so great I can't believe I havent always done it. The doctors Ive asked all say its fine although I do wonder if it might be bad for me. All I know is that Im not "sick" for a couple days a month anymore!
Esa, what kind are you taking? I can't remember what I was on (I'm sure I have a pack somewhere because I get them free from my Mom) but I always thought it was too weak a pill.
Originally posted by Raven@Feb 11 2005, 01:36 PM Grimm, my only point with acid reflux....is there are WAY too many people being diagnosed with it....
"The esophagus is separated from the stomach by a valve or sphincter. The lower esophageal sphincter is normally closed . Heartburn is caused by the reflux, or movement, of stomach acid into the esophagus.except during swallowing. The sphincter keeps the stomach contents from refluxing or returning into the esophagus. Heartburn occurs when the pressure in the stomach overcomes this valve and forces the stomach acid into the esophagus. This can occur when the valve or sphincter is too weak to prevent the reflux or when the amount of stomach acid is too great to be kept in the stomach."
Thing is...it's a one way door....usually. What goes down doesn't usually come back up.
It is rare that it mal functions. When it does, it's pretty serious and can cause esophageal varices and other conditions.
Most people have heartburn, which is not acid reflux.
Oddly, about one third of the world population has a "hiatal hernia" - the actual cause of acid reflux, or to be more accurate esophageal reflux. Most people will live their entire lives not knowing they have this condition. A few, like myself, aren't so lucky.
Mine raged into a full blown Class A Hiatal Hernia back in 1990. It was so bad that it became rare for me to eat a meal without my esophagus fully seizing and my having to vomit the food back up until the spasms subsided. Eventually, the docs gave in to my "whining" and agreed to perform a Nisson Fundoplasty (sp?).
They opened me up, attached a plastic ring to the bottom of my esophagus and stitched the upper part of my stomach around the ring - thus creating a new valve. They also put a few sutures in my diaphragm to tighten up the hole the esophagus passes thru (the diaphragm is actually the "sphincter" you refered to earlier).
And... the procedure worked. Well, to date about 95% of the time. I still get flare ups occasionally and they suck when they happen. It literally feels like you are having a heart attack.
Yet, I agree with you about the pharm companies pitching their wares to *everybody* that gets a little heartburn occassionally is insane.
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Peaches, before you try the Depo injections, ask your doc to put you on the pill version for a few months. If you have a bad reaction to the injection there is nothing you can do but wait the 3 months or it to wear off...at least with the pills if you have a bad reaction you just stop taking them. If after a couple of months you find they're doing the trick, then go for the injection.
And yes I've had depression in the past, post-natal twice, and once or twice with no apparent 'physical' cause...tho at the time my life was well and truly going to hell in a handbasket. I had medication each time...and came thru the other side.
For me depression is like being in a whirlpool...I seem to be going round and round and down and down and if it gets too far, I don't have the psychological strength to pull myself to the side where it's safe. Medication gives me that leg-up.
wow, busy thread.....I've read almost every post....
I have suffered from post-natal depression with 3 of 4 of my children....the first time, not even knowing it for 2 years...it was hell. For my next child they preemptively put me on zoloft at 7 months pregnant. For my last child I refused preemptive medication and started on effexor as soon as she was born.
I do know that post-natal depression is VERY real....at least it is for me. My hormones have wreaked havok on me since puberty and damned if they won't let up now....I just can't wait for menopause....that's all I've got to say.
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First of all on the Depo, I have heard ALOT of bad things about that like consistent bleeding for literally 3 months before things stabilize. My ex went on it after we broke up (as naturally she became a TOTAL slut, anyways... lol) she had a 6 month period I was told by a neutral friend.. That would suck. I have heard the same from other woman about not only that but other side effects.
I Like the fact that nowadays people discuss this type of thing more openly and it is considered mroe 'socially acceptable'. 10 years ago I NEVER Would of admitted I suffered from agoraphobia at all at ANY point of my life, not even depression, or social anxiety. I do however think that doctors jump on the "you have depression, take this pill" bandwagon due to drug companies paying them off in ceertain ways to do so. My girlfriend went in about cold sores, and was sent home with anti-depressants being told her depression was causing stress which causes the cold sores? WTF ??? Needless to say she never took them. LOL
I agree with your post Grimm, I never knew you had a background in this type of material and the discussion is interesting. The barrier was in fact the front door and the sense of relief I had when I got through that was OVERWHELMING. I had a TRUE BIPOLAR HIGH and add in a MASSIVE NATURAL HIGH lol. That is when I started appreciating life for what it was.
As far as your statement about true agoraphobia, maybe I don't have True Agoraphobia but just had a short term version of it which was actually social anxiety made more serious by the fact I never left the house. The house was my comfort zone socially speaking.
"Agoraphobia has genetic links, can be tied to drug use, especially stimulants, or other drugs which consistantly cause a severe paranoid reaction. "
My dad had serious problems and was a heavy drug abuser. Let's just say I had a 5 gram a day coke habit for over a year in a row, I nearly lost my life, LITERALLY to that drug. So again, you are right. Glad I have been clean for over a year now.. Even though stimulants aggraviated me so much and made me feel anxiety every time I did them I was drawn to them, was very weird.
As far as going off the Paxil, I went off it because it made me feel so lousy while I was on it. Metallica taste in mouth, increases anxiety, you name it. I honestly think my social phobia is quite simply due to me not having a social life any more except for a few friends and my small comfort zone. I think the Bi-Polar is about as real as it gets and I should be on a mood-stabilizer but they have more negative effects than positive on my life, and as all BI-Polars I enjoy the highs and since I can handle them without them having an adverse effect on my life I choose to take just an anti-depresant to avoid the lows which I have more of a tendancy to hit.
Originally posted by gigi@Feb 11 2005, 08:11 PM wow, busy thread.....I've read almost every post....
I have suffered from post-natal depression with 3 of 4 of my children....the first time, not even knowing it for 2 years...it was hell. For my next child they preemptively put me on zoloft at 7 months pregnant. For my last child I refused preemptive medication and started on effexor as soon as she was born.
I do know that post-natal depression is VERY real....at least it is for me. My hormones have wreaked havok on me since puberty and damned if they won't let up now....I just can't wait for menopause....that's all I've got to say.
Was the Effexor effective at all? It is fairly mild SNRI (Selective noropenephrine reuptake inhibitor) at lower doses, but at high doses, it is about as effective as a protein inhibitor as anything.
ex girlfriend was on a relatively low dose and felt little or no effect.
Post Natal depression is some serious stuff Not very much is known about it, there are a lot of theories.
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 11 2005, 08:41 PM
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Let's just say I had a 5 gram a day coke habit for over a year in a row,
lightweight ;-))))
Seriously though this is a fascinating thread.
LOL, I was working my way up to what's his names character in "BLOW" where the doc tells him he basically has 5 grams of blow in his blood at all times, but I realized I may have tolerance, but that is SUICIDE !!!!
I can honestly say "Those were the best of times, and the worst of times". I would NEVER do it over again though.
And I agree about this thread being very interesting, in fact Grimm I shot you a PM please reply at your leisure
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Feb 12 2005, 12:00 AM One time we seriously considered buying a key , for our own consumption , in order to save money.......
Crazy fucked up times....
but we survived it.
Problem is...I really don't know what would happen if someone had some and passed the plate.
I like to think I'd say no.
Hell I've been teetotal too since Sept 8th.
I managed to fight the temptation....
but couldn't resist my stripper addiction....
I think yayo would have been cheaper...
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your severe depression was probably caused by yanking yourself off of an SSRI that had already ramped up to the plateud dosage levels. its a sudden reuptake of Seratonin that can floor you. in other words you crash hard.
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Not very much is known about it, there are a lot of theories.
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