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So much I can say about Kaiser, but he's not worth it.
I have too much good shit happening in my life now to complain on what some broke down pimp did to me and my friends half a decade ago.
Karma is a bitch.
Kath, Bishop and I would talk about how he had you entranced, unfortunately, we didn't know you well enough for us to say anything, and at that time, I don't think you would have listened anyway. I'll be in Vegas, and in lieu of Nick, would be more than happy to hear the sordid details of the past.
If anything, to make a positive out of the "Kaiser Experience"... I made life long friends, and have memories that others only dream about!
I should really thank that fuck Kaiser for being the snake that he is. Because if he had not have been, I would have not been given the chances that I got.
So, thanks Bruce for being Kaiser! You did an awesome job fucking everyone. Of course, those you fucked are still around, you on the other hand...
Originally posted by Anthony@Dec 17 2004, 12:32 AM So, thanks Bruce for being Kaiser! You did an awesome job fucking everyone. Of course, those you fucked are still around, you on the other hand...
Karma is a bitch.
funny how it always works out like that
its so true, that when someone scams me, i just know they will be gone within 6 months - it has hit close to home twice in my career.
whenever i start something serious with someone, i pull out the tony montana line "dont fuck me"
Originally posted by Hooper@Dec 17 2004, 08:26 AM Nick I hate to have to tell you this... but I saw Kaiser about a month ago at Adtech, so i can only assume he's doing adware now. Although I doubt he's sharp enough to actually be running it, my guess is that he's found somebody new to rob.
Nick I hate to have to tell you this... but I saw Kaiser about a month ago at Adtech, so i can only assume he's doing adware now. Although I doubt he's sharp enough to actually be running it, my guess is that he's found somebody new to rob.
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Originally posted by Anthony@Dec 17 2004, 12:32 AM So much I can say about Kaiser, but he's not worth it.
I have too much good shit happening in my life now to complain on what some broke down pimp did to me and my friends half a decade ago.
Karma is a bitch.
Kath, Bishop and I would talk about how he had you entranced, unfortunately, we didn't know you well enough for us to say anything, and at that time, I don't think you would have listened anyway. I'll be in Vegas, and in lieu of Nick, would be more than happy to hear the sordid details of the past.
If anything, to make a positive out of the "Kaiser Experience"... I made life long friends, and have memories that others only dream about!
I should really thank that fuck Kaiser for being the snake that he is. Because if he had not have been, I would have not been given the chances that I got.
So, thanks Bruce for being Kaiser! You did an awesome job fucking everyone. Of course, those you fucked are still around, you on the other hand...
Karma is a bitch.
Hey Ant -
Would love the opportunity to chat with you @ the show. Unfortunately I think you're right - if there was one thing he was good at, it was manipulating people. He knew what things pissed me off - and what things I would think qualified to "fight" as a cause... that's how he got me to leave Netpond. I think back on it now and want to slap myself and say "stoopid! stoopid! stoopid!" but at the time you're right, I really thought I was doing the right thing. Just ask good ole Dravyk who was shocked at all the stuff that I *didn't* know from those days when we caught up following my leave from ANS a couple years ago.
*sigh*
Live and learn. Let's definitely talk in Vegas. We were newbies together many moons ago - it would be nice to have a chance to compare notes with an old "classmate" from the 'Pond.
Originally posted by Hooper@Dec 17 2004, 08:26 AM Nick I hate to have to tell you this... but I saw Kaiser about a month ago at Adtech, so i can only assume he's doing adware now. Although I doubt he's sharp enough to actually be running it, my guess is that he's found somebody new to rob.
Never did anything bad to me, but the screwjob he did on Meat was enough to turn me the other way...apparently he screwed others as well..
Meat would be a leading candidate for most "ethical" webmaster...if there is such a thing...
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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 16 2004, 10:47 AM I have been in this business since '96.
Since then begining at YNOT :
I was told "blindlinks are bad , mmmkay".
I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.
I was told "consoles are bad, mmmkay"
I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.
I was told "skimming hits off yr freehosts,freesites etc isbad ,mmmkay".
I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.
I was told "spamming the crap out of SEs is bad , mmmkay"
I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.
I was told "bulk emails are bad , mmmkay"
I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.
I was told "adware is bad , mmmkay"
Fuck I wish I had got into that early when hooper and wiseman did!!!
In each case when I did it there was no fucking law against it at the time of doing it.
All there was stopping people doing it was the opinions of the moral majority.
The people that pushed the envelope in this business have one thing in common.
They made fortunes.
The people that said " blah blah blah , is bad , mmmkay" have one thing in common.
They are poor.
Fuck half of the "is bad mmmkay" actions are now considered totally acceptable.
ahhhhh I feel better....
Feel free to discuss
I personally believe that honesty in this business is a myth.
find me a 100% honest webmaster, and ill show you a broke webmaster.
I always tried to be above the boards, but in a world of cheaters, fuckers, and non payers. You have to fight fire with fire.
Any application of a moral obligation to the surfer is hippocracy to the nth degree. at every turn the surfer is trying to fuck you. so you fuck back, or you walk.
Originally posted by Bishop@Dec 16 2004, 02:06 PM I would say that 95% or more of the people who have had great success in this business did something dishonest in the eyes of others.
same could be said for any business you're in
We can start with Microsoft
This is one of the best threads I have EVER read, anywhere.
I know I have come in late, and no-one probably gives a shit, but I look at it this way....
Honesty should NOT be confused with morals, ethics or principles. EVER
Some of the most crooked SOB's I have ever had the pleasure to be associated with have also been as honest as the day is long.
In many cases I would prefer to deal with someone who is honest about their dishonesty than someone who is dishonestly honest.
I have to say though, that I find Meat and Aga to be amazing guys (and it rubs off on their entire team I might add - EVEN Fred !!), I think what I like most is they are both stand-up gentleman who wouldn't fuck you over purposely UNLESS they did it to your face first. I like that. A lot. And I am constantly grateful I get to do business and spend time with men such as that. It makes life a pleasure.
I admire Scotty and other similar old school operatives immensely - they NEVER bullshitted, and they would take it to your face as well. I respect that.
What I fucking hate (apart from shaving !!) is little spineless pricks who try and fuck you over and run and hide. And we have LOADS of them in this biz - old school and not-so old school.
I probably would be lot richer now had I not taken the attitude in this biz to be "true to myself", but I don't regret it for a second, I am hardly poor, I don't have a ego to feed and I don't look over my shoulder, and I don't take shit from anyone.
Bad karma cost me the first millions I made and very nearly my existence several years ago.
Someone said it above, Karma IS a bitch.
I am by no means an angel, but I pride myself in my integrity, and that is probably a better word in the context of this thread than honesty.
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