I have been in this business since '96.

Since then begining at YNOT :

I was told "blindlinks are bad , mmmkay".

I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

I was told "consoles are bad, mmmkay"

I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

I was told "skimming hits off yr freehosts,freesites etc isbad ,mmmkay".

I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

I was told "spamming the crap out of SEs is bad , mmmkay"

I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

I was told "bulk emails are bad , mmmkay"

I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

I was told "adware is bad , mmmkay"

Fuck I wish I had got into that early when hooper and wiseman did!!!


In each case when I did it there was no fucking law against it at the time of doing it.
All there was stopping people doing it was the opinions of the moral majority.

The people that pushed the envelope in this business have one thing in common.
They made fortunes.

The people that said " blah blah blah , is bad , mmmkay" have one thing in common.
They are poor.


Fuck half of the "is bad mmmkay" actions are now considered totally acceptable.

ahhhhh I feel better....

Feel free to discuss :)


I personally believe that honesty in this business is a myth.

When you said 'honesty' I was thinking honesty in deals between companies....and, for the most part, I think there IS honesty there....

You aren't talking about honesty here, you are talking about agressive marketing techniques and the people who have disagreed with them in the past. Yup....lots of people have disagreed over the years....but, I don't believe that makes them dishonest...

You say it yourself....those who disagreed are broke...this means that they really did believe they were right and did NOT utilize those ideas.... = broke.

If they were being dishonest, they'd be rich and hypocrites. ;)

I agree with you Nick... Lots of dishonest people in this business. I would say that 95% or more of the people who have had great success in this business did something dishonest in the eyes of others. Maybe it wasn't dishonest in their eyes.. like blind links and email marketing but somebody didn't like it.

Not everyone is crooked.. but just about everyone has been crooked at some point in time.. as I said.. in the eyes of others if not in their own eyes.

I had a Deputy Sheriff come to my house the other day.. was looking for a car that is titled in my wifes name. Apparently someone called the police department on that car, two counties away. The person that made the call felt that the driver of that car was driving aggressive. The police didn't catch that driver but they did ask the Sheriff's department TWO counties away to go find that driver and apparently give them a scare. haha.. I was the driver of that car on that day. I don't remember driving aggressive.. but someone else thought I was. I didn't do anything wrong.. in my eyes.

They said I was tailgating.. I NEVER DO THAT. If someone hits the brakes it is my fault for hitting them. It would never happen.

gigi,

Exactly..

My point is , there are STILL people say "blah blah blah is bad mmmkay"

And there are still people listening to them.

Learn people for fucksakes!!!!

Is it illegal to do it?
If , No.
Then fucking do it and make money!!!


I think it is far more "immoral" to sit around , poor , unable to provide for yr family than actually go out and doing something that people frown upon.Shit most people frown upon this ENTIRE business!!!!

I mean can people STILL be so dumb as to believe "well these pornographers think adware is bad , mmmkay" therefore I won't do it????

Are they your friends? your family?...No?..then tell them to fuck off!!!

And Bishop......say that person made a malicious accusation and you want to press charges ;-)))

I found it disturbing that the deputy didn't have anything better to do with his time than run the errands of another police department.

Nick,

:pearl: :okthumb:

Aga and I do good business not greedy busness and believe honesty does pay off in the long run:)

We are still waiting to make a fucking fortune BUT 2 weeks ago we signed a letter of intent with a group of people in Russia to setup, manage and run the premium rate industry there.

Russia is an untapped market for premium rate never been done before at the level we are going in at.

We not sure how big our fortune will be... but the industry in UK alone is 2 billion pounds per year and Russia is bigger potential market.

Today we got agreement in principle from the major Russian telecoms carrier.

Pushing the envelope does pay off to a certain extent but we got the russian opportunity because we dont push the envelopes.

I was told by Colin , "building an Empire is GOOD , mmmkay"


I decided to listen to him, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

:wnw:

Excellent thread and follow up posts!! :wnw:

meat.....

remember I used to take traffic from Aga , a shitload of it too ( hmmm"take" might have been an unfortunate word)... ;-))))

What Bishop said "who have had great success in this business did something dishonest in the eyes of others"


However...

that said.

Meat you are a genuine and honest man IMHO. And I sincerely hope it all goes "fucking awesome" for you.
( made it nearly fucking impossible for me to work with you though) ;-))

And aga , beneath that rough and ready exterior is one of the sharpest and most astute businessmen I have met on the web.

I hope our hatchets are buried now and should you ever be in Vancouver , it would be my pleasure to buy you both lunch , or dinner..a good one too :)

Meat,
just look over your shoulder,
it's not that good to be "pushed" by russians, even in the "envelope"
;-)))

you stole it from me, you prick!
;-))))

you stole it from me, you prick!
;-)))) [/b][/quote]
you gave it to me!!!! LOL

"Samantha/pushrod , I bet I can help someone , say , Nickatilynx , become the biggest traffic broker in the world. Wanna bet $100"

if memory serves me right....


Did you ever collect on that bet????



;-))

Nick

Aga and I are having to much fun to hold grudges for to long:)

We have 2 hatchets left to apply still, 1.6 million collection from voltar LOL and we going to bury Sean Boday and sextracker who makes you look like a saint and has stolen from more people in this business than you have had hot dinners. He will pay tho and then he will rot in jail. After that we have no other axes to grind.

Next time Aga and I are in Vancouver we would love you to take us to dinner in the most expensive restaurant in BC LOL:) Your shout..:)

We still have the final contract to sign for the Russian deal however we have alreaddy setup a joint venture company there with our new Russian friends and we are very confident that it is only a formality to the signing.

I did steal that one.

We'll adjust the account down 25cents ;-)))

Serge thanks for the headsup:))

we are being very careful with this deal and we will always look over our shoulder but we stumbled onto a very unique situation with some very unique people and up to date its been going amazingly well with very good faith shown so far especially from the Russian contingent.

We dont expect it to last forever but we do see a window of opportunity lasting for at least 2 or 3 years.

Im glad thats settled. Now I dont have to worry if Meat and Aga are going to kick my ass in Vegas. Guilt by association!

Meat LOL

Aga and I are having to much fun to hold grudges for to long:)


Awesome...plus I'm lovable , admit it. ;-))

We have 2 hatchets left to apply still, 1.6 million collection from voltar LOL and we going to bury Sean Boday and sextracker who makes you look like a saint and has stolen from more people in this business than you have had hot dinners. He will pay tho and then he will rot in jail. After that we have no other axes to grind.

go get them...any assitance from me let me know....
and I didn't steal...I may have borrowed.I never had the intent to deprive permanently. ;-))

Next time Aga and I are in Vancouver we would love you to take us to dinner in the most expensive restaurant in BC LOL:) Your shout..
FUCK!!!!....errr I mean , OK. Agreed. ;-))

We still have the final contract to sign for the Russian deal however we have alreaddy setup a joint venture company there with our new Russian friends and we are very confident that it is only a formality to the signing.
Good luck with it!! Sincerely :)

you gave it to me!!!! LOL

"Samantha/pushrod , I bet I can help someone , say , Nickatilynx , become the biggest traffic broker in the world. Wanna bet $100"

if memory serves me right....


Did you ever collect on that bet????



;-)) [/b][/quote]
nope....none of them are longer around
;-)))

sometimes people get honesty and ethics mixed up...

LOL Gonzo:)

Would have to be Aga because i cant fight my way out of a paper bag and I turned Aga into a big cuddly teddybear :))

no worries for vegas we will have a drink and a laugh:)

Good point. :awinky:

I knew this thread would get big....

#1 - It's Nick talking about honesty.... let's face it, that makes for damn interesting reading! :yowsa:

#2 - I read through the post and have to agree - it's all true.

Everyone that I knew that shouted out about "doing things the right way" back in the day is either out of business, still working their ass off to finally MAKE something in this GD business - or was a damned liar, did it anyway and made off with the $$$.

B)

At least some people are honest about their evil doings! :okthumb:

I am both the most honestly unethical and the most ethically dishonest person on the adult web.


;-)))



Well not counting Serge..


;-)))

LOL Nick

classic line:)

Good point. :awinky:

I knew this thread would get big....

#1 - It's Nick talking about honesty.... let's face it, that makes for damn interesting reading! :yowsa:

#2 - I read through the post and have to agree - it's all true.

Everyone that I knew that shouted out about "doing things the right way" back in the day is either out of business, still working their ass off to finally MAKE something in this GD business - or was a damned liar, did it anyway and made off with the $$$.

B)

At least some people are honest about their evil doings! :okthumb: [/b][/quote]


Don't get me started on the backstabbing , fucking hypocrites there are in this business..

Fuck it!!!

That cunt Kaiser is directly responsible for a lot of peoples...errr "misunderstanding" about me.

Remember..meat you will too..

The show.

With the 10k give away.

My probs with kaiser started then.

Why?

Cause he could give me no details whatsoever on the person that won the prize.

None.

She never posted .

Nothing.

But Kaiser met here the night before in the bar.

The random key draw...random huh?

Kaisers party trick was "slight of hand"

She was a shill. He took the money , and I KNEW it!!

But he spent his entire time ass kissing every netpond official so he could fuck off to Netsurprise once he realised I was onto him.

You ever see him round Levy?

OMFG!!! A R-n must have needed a surgeon to get that guys tongue out of his ass.

Starting rumours of me nicking all the money from Netpond?

Bullshit...Whitcon paid money to Netpond cause Kaiser left something like 200k worth of advertising uncollected.

I mean for fucksakes...I paid expense money to him for people.I know for one Drav never got it.

These are facts.



oh....another one that ain't here.


(sigh).... feeling better...


I hate kaiser , so very very much....


;-))))

Nick

you would prob be interested to know that I am not fond of Kasier either and i learnt my lesson a year or so after i left netpond, thats when i saw kaisers true colours.

Your explanation of the 10 grand makes sense and i guess that was just another lesson i learnt about trusting people to much:( I was conviced that was a fair draw:(

Fuck him twice over if it wasnt fair cos u know how much i hate that shit.

anyway, hes gone now, hes a nobody again no more mr hotshot.

Trust me I know this.... it wasn't until years later that I learned the truth. Fortunately you have earned the respect of a lot of people that I have come to respect over the years and they have told me the parts of the "story" that I'd missed out on as it was happening.

This is something else that I'd learned about immediately after I quit working for him. I had no idea that this was under suspicion. I was furious that the woman who had won the $$$ never ever came to the board to say thank-you, never posted at all - I was young & naive then and believed the story about her just starting out, being new, etc. etc. I wish I'd known then that the other officials had suspected him... it might have made me not trust him so much later.

There's not enough time OR room to tell you what I heard from him on the exodus.... or what I learned years later... hopefully I'll see you @ an industry event someday and we can chat at length... I think some of it will be very interesting to you...

LMAO - our private joke (hub & I) was that we were going to get R-n a can of LEG-OFF :biglaugh:

I think we could start a club. Really... hope we can exchange some historical info one day in the future. I think there are a lot of us who really need to vent.

:angry:

Mate you and I were good til Kaiser got into the middle of it shit disturbing.


YOU and I made him!!

He didn't know shit.

Remember he had that shit site....

Also remember when we were trying to get VenCap and as we are filling out the forms he goes "Oh I was convicted for pimping"

Glad he's gone.

I :inlove: Kaiser
if not for him leading the exodus, I wouldn't have moved my way up the NetPond chain ;-)

ah, if only someone had copies of the old NetPond Officials Board...some good times there...ok, not good, but interesting....

ok, I hated trying to collect the money he never invoiced to advertisers in the first place....nothing like collecting less than $30K from over $200K in collectibles because the advertisers had never been invoiced...

I hated his mantra about not posting on other peoples' boards...

I hated that he made a half-assed attempt to snipe me away to NetSurprise and then turned it around and made me look like a liar once Prophet and RedLion flew down to New Orleans...and since he did it on the sly, no one saw it, so I got made out to look like the asshole....fuck that, I can do that just fine on my own thanks

Yeah , Sykk ,he was a snake.

Brad "little weasel" Tukhman Shaw / Kaiser ...seperated at birth?

Oh and aga and meat ,


(cough)

"I told you so" , really doesn't cover it does it? ;-))))

*expecting Ant to come and post anytime now...* :popcorn:

Oh and aga and meat ,


(cough)

"I told you so" , really doesn't cover it does it? ;-)))) [/b][/quote]
I think Anthony actually did the calling around on that...was an "interesting" time...

meanwhile everyone thought I was a thieving pikey bastard and


Oh hang on they were right.

sorry..


;-)))

"" Look at the mansion Nick lives in , look at all his fancy cars ,and shit.All from Netpond"

ahahahahahah wrong...I think the accounts show I had a taxable benfit from Netpond of about 40k over 4 yrs , and loans due to Whitcon of around 300k.

I was rich as fuck before I came into Condom/Netpond it was one of the reasons Meat approached me.

Ask serge how much he paid me then.Just from him.
And the only mouths eating from that was me , redlion and technick.And those two were on a fucking diet!!

;-)))

Feeling a little follically challenged today Drav? *ducks and runs*

;)

when you do get your arses to vancouver you must make sure you come and see jackie and I about getting some shit worked out with our affiliate programs.

Louise Ford given you a call recently? She's supposed to have been getting our content sorted out, but haven't heard anything for quite a long time now. [/b][/quote]
Actually I still owe you a lunch too leedsfan.

How about Glowbal next week in Yaletown? Promise I'll make time. A man gotta eat :)

Btw a little bird told me you pointed out to Bradley Shaw and justblowme that there traffic is down 35% , and yet they still want to charge more for advertising.

Awesome.

Heard it went really quiet after that,,,


ahahahahaha

Hmm. Can we rename the "I hate Kaiser" thread yet? Mmmmkay? :)

Damn, we really could form a club!! (I think we've formed an unofficial one already.)

Kaiser was the master at playing everybody against each other. He'd whisper to Nick, don't trust Meat. To Meat, don't trust Nick. To me, Meat's an idiot, don't listen to him. To Meat, Dravyk's a cunt, don't trust his ass. And on and on and on around the middle, so everyone was in some way leary or against the other, and meanwhile al eyes were off of him. Fucking brilliant mother fucker. (Can I say that here? Well, whatever). The guy was a chip off of Sun Tsu, I have to hand THAT to him.

The Netpond drawing! My GAWD what fucking idiots everyone of us were then! It was RIGHT before our eyes. And none of us had a clue. Why? We did not suspect him, we all were green enough to give everybody the benefit of the doubt and that everybody was working to help the group as a whole.

It was in flashback, and Nick and I have had quite a few conversations about this over the years, that it came to us .... He picked the security guard and ADMITTED friend. He picked the person who was going to pick the number. The person who won signed up five minutes before the end of the signup period. He said they couldn't get a locked plexiglass box, and so with Netpond as the theme, the oversized fish bowl! Duh, duh, duh! ... And yet to everyone of us schmucks it seemed so reasonable and logical and innocent at the time! :headwall: :headwall: :headwall:

Yup, master magician and asskisser is right!

... Oh yeah .. and dirty rat bastard scum-sucker low-life thief ... with a bad dye job!! :moon:

He was somebody?

"Its all Good" hahahahahahahahaahahaha

when you do get your arses to vancouver you must make sure you come and see jackie and I about getting some shit worked out with our affiliate programs.

Louise Ford given you a call recently? She's supposed to have been getting our content sorted out, but haven't heard anything for quite a long time now. [/b][/quote]
funny story about Jackie
we were chatting in the back of a limo at one of the shows and thought we had the same last name, so joked about being related....they are close, but not the same...it wasn't til she handed me one of her cards in Vancouver that I realized our last names were different...

funny story about Jackie
we were chatting in the back of a limo at one of the shows and thought we had the same last name, so joked about being related....they are close, but not the same...it wasn't til she handed me one of her cards in Vancouver that I realized our last names were different... [/b][/quote]
ummm lance...

that wasn't funny.

Had to be there I suppose...



;-)))

yeah, I realized that after I posted...it was a "you had to be there" kind of thing

unless it was the story about the donkeys and the mexican dancing girl...

when you do get your arses to vancouver you must make sure you come and see jackie and I about getting some shit worked out with our affiliate programs.

Louise Ford given you a call recently? She's supposed to have been getting our content sorted out, but haven't heard anything for quite a long time now.

yeah, I realized that after I posted...it was a "you had to be there" kind of thing

unless it was the story about the donkeys and the mexican dancing girl... [/b][/quote]
now that story is funny!!!


;-))

now that story is funny!!!


;-)) [/b][/quote]
although it wasn't very funny for the donkey...

what did/does kaiser run?

Great thread Nick :okthumb:

He was Chief Operating Office at Netpond.

til I replaced him with Anthony.

ahahahahaha
He even tried to make Anthony quit when he knew Anthony wasn't gonna put up with his shit.

Actually I still owe you a lunch too leedsfan.

How about Glowbal next week in Yaletown? Promise I'll make time. A man gotta eat :)

Btw a little bird told me you pointed out to Bradley Shaw and justblowme that there traffic is down 35% , and yet they still want to charge more for advertising.

Awesome.

Heard it went really quiet after that,,,


ahahahahaha [/b][/quote]
you're on. never turn down a free lunch. well there are exceptions. i think i've made that pretty clear.

mon/tue/thurs are best. Glowbal is cool with me.

Shame on ya Gigi! :ph34r:

Btw, Ant called me a bit ago as we're doing some business together and I informed him of the "Kaiser thread" here and he said "Damn! I'm on the road! Damn!" and asked me to please post the following for him, and that he would hopefully add more later.

Anthony: "Kaiser, that cocksucker!"

you're on. never turn down a free lunch. well there are exceptions. i think i've made that pretty clear.

mon/tue/thurs are best. Glowbal is cool with me. [/b][/quote]
leedsfan, tell Jackie to hit me up on ICQ when she has a chance. :)