Honesty in this business...

[Nickatilynx]

I have been in this business since '96.

Since then begining at YNOT :

I was told "blindlinks are bad , mmmkay".

I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

I was told "consoles are bad, mmmkay"

I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

I was told "skimming hits off yr freehosts,freesites etc isbad ,mmmkay".

I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

I was told "spamming the crap out of SEs is bad , mmmkay"

I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

I was told "bulk emails are bad , mmmkay"

I decided against listening to them and adopting their morals, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

I was told "adware is bad , mmmkay"

Fuck I wish I had got into that early when hooper and wiseman did!!!


In each case when I did it there was no fucking law against it at the time of doing it.
All there was stopping people doing it was the opinions of the moral majority.

The people that pushed the envelope in this business have one thing in common.
They made fortunes.

The people that said " blah blah blah , is bad , mmmkay" have one thing in common.
They are poor.


Fuck half of the "is bad mmmkay" actions are now considered totally acceptable.

ahhhhh I feel better....

Feel free to discuss


I personally believe that honesty in this business is a myth.

[gigi]

When you said 'honesty' I was thinking honesty in deals between companies....and, for the most part, I think there IS honesty there....

You aren't talking about honesty here, you are talking about agressive marketing techniques and the people who have disagreed with them in the past. Yup....lots of people have disagreed over the years....but, I don't believe that makes them dishonest...

You say it yourself....those who disagreed are broke...this means that they really did believe they were right and did NOT utilize those ideas.... = broke.

If they were being dishonest, they'd be rich and hypocrites.

[Bishop]

I agree with you Nick... Lots of dishonest people in this business. I would say that 95% or more of the people who have had great success in this business did something dishonest in the eyes of others. Maybe it wasn't dishonest in their eyes.. like blind links and email marketing but somebody didn't like it.

Not everyone is crooked.. but just about everyone has been crooked at some point in time.. as I said.. in the eyes of others if not in their own eyes.

I had a Deputy Sheriff come to my house the other day.. was looking for a car that is titled in my wifes name. Apparently someone called the police department on that car, two counties away. The person that made the call felt that the driver of that car was driving aggressive. The police didn't catch that driver but they did ask the Sheriff's department TWO counties away to go find that driver and apparently give them a scare. haha.. I was the driver of that car on that day. I don't remember driving aggressive.. but someone else thought I was. I didn't do anything wrong.. in my eyes.

They said I was tailgating.. I NEVER DO THAT. If someone hits the brakes it is my fault for hitting them. It would never happen.

[Nickatilynx]

gigi,

Exactly..

My point is , there are STILL people say "blah blah blah is bad mmmkay"

And there are still people listening to them.

Learn people for fucksakes!!!!

Is it illegal to do it?
If , No.
Then fucking do it and make money!!!


I think it is far more "immoral" to sit around , poor , unable to provide for yr family than actually go out and doing something that people frown upon.Shit most people frown upon this ENTIRE business!!!!

I mean can people STILL be so dumb as to believe "well these pornographers think adware is bad , mmmkay" therefore I won't do it????

Are they your friends? your family?...No?..then tell them to fuck off!!!

And Bishop......say that person made a malicious accusation and you want to press charges ;-)))

[Bishop]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 16 2004, 02:18 PM

And Bishop......say that person made a malicious accusation and you want to press charges ;-)))

I found it disturbing that the deputy didn't have anything better to do with his time than run the errands of another police department.

[Almighty Colin]

Nick,

earl:

[Meat]

Aga and I do good business not greedy busness and believe honesty does pay off in the long run

We are still waiting to make a fucking fortune BUT 2 weeks ago we signed a letter of intent with a group of people in Russia to setup, manage and run the premium rate industry there.

Russia is an untapped market for premium rate never been done before at the level we are going in at.

We not sure how big our fortune will be... but the industry in UK alone is 2 billion pounds per year and Russia is bigger potential market.

Today we got agreement in principle from the major Russian telecoms carrier.

Pushing the envelope does pay off to a certain extent but we got the russian opportunity because we dont push the envelopes.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Colin@Dec 16 2004, 11:27 AM
Nick,

earl:

I was told by Colin , "building an Empire is GOOD , mmmkay"


I decided to listen to him, and did it.
Made a fucking fortune.

[Peaches]

Excellent thread and follow up posts!!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Meat@Dec 16 2004, 11:37 AM
Aga and I do good business not greedy busness and believe honesty does pay off in the long run

We are still waiting to make a fucking fortune BUT 2 weeks ago we signed a letter of intent with a group of people in Russia to setup, manage and run the premium rate industry there.

Russia is an untapped market for premium rate never been done before at the level we are going in at.

We not sure how big our fortune will be... but the industry in UK alone is 2 billion pounds per year and Russia is bigger potential market.

Today we got agreement in principle from the major Russian telecoms carrier.

Pushing the envelope does pay off to a certain extent but we got the russian opportunity because we dont push the envelopes.

meat.....

remember I used to take traffic from Aga , a shitload of it too ( hmmm"take" might have been an unfortunate word)... ;-))))

What Bishop said "who have had great success in this business did something dishonest in the eyes of others"


However...

that said.

Meat you are a genuine and honest man IMHO. And I sincerely hope it all goes "fucking awesome" for you.
( made it nearly fucking impossible for me to work with you though) ;-))

And aga , beneath that rough and ready exterior is one of the sharpest and most astute businessmen I have met on the web.

I hope our hatchets are buried now and should you ever be in Vancouver , it would be my pleasure to buy you both lunch , or dinner..a good one too

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Meat@Dec 16 2004, 02:37 PM
Aga and I do good business not greedy busness and believe honesty does pay off in the long run

We are still waiting to make a fucking fortune BUT 2 weeks ago we signed a letter of intent with a group of people in Russia to setup, manage and run the premium rate industry there.

Russia is an untapped market for premium rate never been done before at the level we are going in at.

We not sure how big our fortune will be... but the industry in UK alone is 2 billion pounds per year and Russia is bigger potential market.

Today we got agreement in principle from the major Russian telecoms carrier.

Pushing the envelope does pay off to a certain extent but we got the russian opportunity because we dont push the envelopes.

Meat,
just look over your shoulder,
it's not that good to be "pushed" by russians, even in the "envelope"
;-)))

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 16 2004, 02:44 PM


remember I used to take traffic from Aga , a shitload of it too ( hmmm"take" might have been an unfortunate word)... ;-))))

you stole it from me, you prick!
;-))))

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Dec 16 2004, 11:49 AM-->