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Originally posted by Platinum Dave@Jul 10 2003, 08:25 PM Free Trials made everyone more money to be able to pay for the new options webmasters get to have now
- Free Host
- Free hosted content
- $35-50 a signup
- etc.
Is this a roundabout way of saying that we'll see sponsors' free hosting going away soon?
It must certainly be an *expensive* thing to run.
And I agree, Mike - I am also EXCITED about the changes coming around. About damn time! And I'm loving watching the sheeple panicking, while the "playas" fight for court time and announce they're not lowering payouts - hell they're nearly breaking their necks to draw over those horrible ratio webmasters, LOL
The past 24 hours have been fun as all hell!!
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Originally posted by Carrie@Jul 11 2003, 04:29 PM And I agree, Mike - I am also EXCITED about the changes coming around. About damn time! And I'm loving watching the sheeple panicking, while the "playas" fight for court time and announce they're not lowering payouts - hell they're nearly breaking their necks to draw over those horrible ratio webmasters, LOL
The past 24 hours have been fun as all hell!!
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Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 10 2003, 05:15 PM I also think dialers are going to play a larger future in this business than alot of people think.
Lets also not forget checks.
I agree on the dialers. For sure, but think about the problems with 900 billing. It became less attractive once the telco’s didn’t force collections. Someone has to collect for them.
I’d like to see an aggressive billing company that used dialer technology but capture the ANI to do direct billing to the customer. The phone companies do it. Look at 1010220. When they don’t pay you cut them off and or have your collections dept start making calls.
Bradshaw I couldn’t help but notice your very realistic comments about payouts dropping and that you were still running numbers? Weren't you the one giving me shit about not having a HUGE fucking bank roll to do high payouts? Lol- Yea you got the secret key alright! I do also remember your rant about cross selling and how to make it work… lol- or was that Hooper? Looks like another side step that came back to bite you in the ass.
MikeAI, I’m sticking to my guns and I too look forward to business being conducted with some better regulations. It all kinda remind me of horse racing… you’ve got the ones that are fast the start but slow to the finish. The ones that pace themselves win, win, win and they’re in it for the long haul.
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Chris, if you want to compete with PPS programs better
raise your rev share to something like 70 or 80% split cuz thats what a PPS program pays out if not more.
Cross sells can work, our CB's are under 1% year to date. I say they are working. Some people have gone overboard. Like couple of the big guys. Join their site via epoch, takes you to a page with a full page ad, click that, and another click and you joined another site. No members link, that comes in email.
We have to live by the rules that Epoch sets, life goes on, we will still find a way to make a profit.
Dianne, I am a businessman. This business is not childs play. I have looked at spreadsheets today that are over an inch thick. It is alot to digest.
Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 11 2003, 05:22 PM Dianne, I am a businessman. This business is not childs play. I have looked at spreadsheets today that are over an inch thick. It is alot to digest.
You know what? I really beleive that you are. Perhaps once you digest all that you'll tell us your predictions.
Perhaps my $20.00 payout and 50% ongoing won't seem like child's play after all. Then again, who knows, the industry just might fool us all. Won't be the first time.
hey does anyone wanna sell something REALLY REALLY FUCKING FREAKY?
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Originally posted by slavdogg@Jul 11 2003, 05:19 PM Chris, if you want to compete with PPS programs better
raise your rev share to something like 70 or 80% split cuz thats what a PPS program pays out if not more.
someone say 70/80% I know where you can find some of that action
slav, if you decide to try a higher revshare, gives us a looksee
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sorry for that, yeah the confirmation letter epoch sends out isnt real clear, we setting up one of our own now. the url is wepayu.com
you'll get the 80% from now on.
Thanks for giving us a shot
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Originally posted by slavdogg@Jul 11 2003, 05:59 PM dan, i signed up last night
was gonna put the links up today
but than i got drunk last night and i cant remember the name of your program. Your confirmation email doesnt say anything.
help me out
hahahahaha
slav
verry funny
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Originally posted by BradShaw@Jul 11 2003, 06:22 PM Cross sells can work, our CB's are under 1% year to date. I say they are working. Some people have gone overboard. Like couple of the big guys. Join their site via epoch, takes you to a page with a full page ad, click that, and another click and you joined another site. No members link, that comes in email.
We have to live by the rules that Epoch sets, life goes on, we will still find a way to make a profit.
Dianne, I am a businessman. This business is not childs play. I have looked at spreadsheets today that are over an inch thick. It is alot to digest.
CB's under 1%? Well then you won't have to drop your monthly membership fee to something lower than the $39.95 per month that you are charging now. Do you think you'll have to do this anytime soon though?
Are you using Paycom? Didn't I read somewhere that they will not be processing for anyone who is also using IBill?
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Those who increases their payout are probably just looking for attention... I hope they do not attract the wrong kind of attention (scammers, and CBs).
Another point is that most of the programs saying they will not lower their payout, are programs that already have low payout... so why should they change?
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Originally posted by Rolo@Jul 12 2003, 04:27 AM Those who increases their payout are probably just looking for attention... I hope they do not attract the wrong kind of attention (scammers, and CBs).
Another point is that most of the programs saying they will not lower their payout, are programs that already have low payout... so why should they change?
Since payouts lag a good month+ behind, it would be possible for people to maintain/increase payouts until about Sept 15 (based on using epoch). I think you are going to see some people doing this short term, hoping to increase market share, but I think by Oct. 1, if these changes stick payouts will settle down.
Originally posted by LeeNoga@Jul 11 2003, 07:11 PM Flynt Digital just announced pay increases effective July 16th in response to this sponsor dropping payouts, and CECash announced a nice bonus bump.
Yes, Flynt Digital has raised payouts for all sites to $40 per paid trial.
As Amber said on GFY, FD makes no apologies for being able to raise payouts at a time when other affiliate programs are dropping theirs.
Our sites have higher than average retention due to the unique content they contain...it's really quite simple.
We all know that a unique, quality site will kick ass over any cookie cutter with plug ins time and time again. THAT is where FD shines.
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ARS will only lower payouts if we decide to lower the monthly rate from $39.99 to $29.99. We are still running numbers and looking at all possibilities. We will have final word on Wednesday in a press release.
would be to do a typein... including the /tour3.html... not sure that is really that popular. (if so.. Maybe Diamond JIm would be interested??) . non the less we removed those old ibill pages from our server... so not to confuse anyone
as we have not used ibill as primary since early 2002
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Revshare programs leave too much up to someone else in order for there to be a good long term payout. PPS still are -- even if payouts dropped by 1/3 -- the most profitable way to manage traffic for the average affiliate.
You can do math all you want to, but when you factor in the time it takes to get paid this supposedly larger payout with revshare then you simply must take that into account as having a negative impact on the bottom line as far as payouts go.
I cannot believe that revshare programs would have even a thought that this will not affect them negatively.
Even if you have a .25% cb rate and you are a recurring program you will still see the impact if you run a reseller program.
The processors are going to be looking way more closely at individual resellers in the coming weeks, I'll bet, and overall scrub is going to tighten, no matter who you are -- Brad mentioned in another thread a comment about what Visa would go to next --- and these processors didn't get where they are without knowing that Visa will probably tighten up again next year - and they have to be prepared -- you simply cannot run your cb level right up to the limit and think that you'll be safe if the limit drops again.
Visa US overall cb rate as of April this year was .05% and that includes all the businesses they process for.
Things are going to get tighter all the way around, and saying that revshare wont suffer right along with every other type of system is bullshit.
Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!
Originally posted by gigi@Jul 14 2003, 08:34 AM We all know that a unique, quality site will kick ass over any cookie cutter with plug ins time and time again.
Lets try and hold "Hustler" brand site out from this (many webmasters have traffic, which do not convert on pornstar/general type sites - they need something alittle more "niche" to convert), so lets focus on the "cookie cutter with plug ins" sites - ex. CashQuest and ARS:
I see that CashQuest are paying $28 per signup on sites which have:
- entry console with 4 large consoles
- frontpage e-mail newsletter signup box
- trial $4.95/3 days ~ recurring $29.95/30 days
- pre checked 1 free day cross sale ~ recurring $19.95/30 days
- pre checked 1 free day cross sale ~ recurring $14.95/30 days
- pre checked e-mail newsletter signup
ARS is currently paying $35 per signup on sites which have:
- entry console with 1 console
- exit console with 5 consoles
- trial $4.95/5 days ~ recurring $39.95/30 days
- pre checked $1/3 days cross sale ~ recurring $39.76/30 days
When I looked at ARS suggestions, then they will pay $29 per signup on sites which have (they have NOT said they will lower - they are still looking at numbers):
- entry console with 1 console
- exit console with 5 consoles
- trial $4.95/5 days ~ recurring $29.95/30 days
- pre checked $1/3 days cross sale ~ recurring $19.95/30 days (I guess it will be around $20)
Mind you, I know nothing about CashQuest or ARS conversions from trial/recurring, how much they make from other billing options etc.... just looking at the programs and trying to compare from a "webmaster" point of view... It looks like the current CashQuest, and the possible new ARS setup pays almost the same?
So how does CashQuest do these days... are you happy with your current setup (pricing, cross sell etc.) or will there also be changes here?
Just wondering...
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There are many factors involved in programs paying the high rate per sign up they do now. These factors include
$39.99 monthly charges
2 FREE cross sells per page rebilling at $30 to $40 / mo
there are other factors as well but its these factors in specific I would like to address.
Chargebacks occur for a number of reasons but a lot have to do with very high monthly charges. Obviously these prices bring in more money which allows a much higher payout.
In an effort to reduce chargebacks, free cross sells will become single micro $1 payments that rebill at a much lesser rate. Much more importantly monthly rates must drop from the rate of $39.99 to $29.99
Obviously this will drastically hit the top of line of many sponsors (those who choose to take the path of 'correcting' some of the problems in the industry. Because of this cut in revenue payouts of $35 and $40 per trial will no longer exist (again for that group of sponsors who attempt to make the proper changes)
Payout will drop below the $30 range. Also FREE trials (which ARS recently began offering) will no longer exist. These changes will take place in the coming days.
Webmasters use this post as for warning of things to come.
This was the original post on this tread... or at least the majority of it...
This is from the ARS website members area:
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In an effort to keep charge-backs to a minimum in light of Visa's new ruling of 1% domestic c/b levels effective 10/1/03, we will have to discontinue free trials. Free trials will automatically be set to a $1, 3 day trial payment option. There will still be (4) membership options for you to promote. They are the $1, 3 day trial, $2.99 trial which will now be a 4 day trial, the $4.99, 5 day trial and the $39.99 monthly memberships. Payouts reamain unchanged with the $1 trials receiving what the free trials were paying. The effective change date has not yet been determined, but it will happen before Oct 1.
I'm confused....
I thought the $39.95 Monthly was supposed to drop to help with this issue
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Much more importantly monthly rates must drop from the rate of $39.99 to $29.99
I'm sure I'm missing something.. so figured I'd ask....
It may be a moronic idea,But what about offering cds or dvds at like 1or 2 bucks to members?
Nick - What was the process when you purchased content from firmcontent.com ? Did they email you with your ftp information right after your billing confirmation came from the billing company? Did you ever have to email support, or call the company?
I'm having some issues with them and I'm concerned. I ordered content from them after following your link in this thread - but that was 9 days ago and I have recieved no contact or content from them whatsoever - no replies to my inquiries, they have no fax machine working but they do list a fax #, and the main line has a machine that is complately full and no one ever answers the phone.
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