Non-consensual sex?

Toby · 08-02-2008

This gallery was submitted to a couple of my sites today. I know that it's staged, but it's still portraying non-consensual sex, and just not something I want on my sites.

http://www.leggyporn.com/gallery/ana...se13girls.html

I'd be interested in some other opinions. I know cultural views on this vary. Am I over reacting?

DannyCox · 08-02-2008

I don't see anything wrong with it either morally or legally.There's no bondage w/sex, and it reminds me of many scenes from 70's porn

Toby · 08-02-2008

I know it staged, but what it's portraying would likely be considered rape in most places in the US today.

Nymph · 08-02-2008

I don't think I'd list it...I can't really explain why, just a gut feeling tells me no.

RawAlex · 08-02-2008

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Originally Posted by DannyCox

I don't see anything wrong with it either morally or legally.There's no bondage w/sex, and it reminds me of many scenes from 70's porn

I think this would be borderline in Canada only because there is the indication of "non-consentual sex". But as you said, no bondage with sex, which is usually the easy way to judge it.

I think the easy answer on this one is "if you are creeped out by it, don't list it".

Hell Puppy · 08-03-2008

No idea about legality.

And morality is up to each and their own.

My own humble opinion is I treat anything that smells like rape same as I do kiddie porn and 30 years with pigtails. Even if it's obviously staged, I dont want to lure the guys who get off on it to my sites.

Footman · 08-03-2008

I'd suggest going with your gut feeling. It does suggest, even slightly, in the first few pics that it's forced sex.

bluemoney · 08-03-2008

Looks like rape to me and would be a no go on my tgp. I feel the same about so called “sleep sex” galleries.

Toby · 08-03-2008

This partner has been submitting a couple of movie galleries a day over the last few months. All eastern European pantyhose/stocking stuff. This is about the third or fourth gallery in the last couple of weeks with this non-consentual content. Enough is enough, partner account deleted.

Nymph · 08-03-2008

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Originally Posted by bluemoney

Looks like rape to me and would be a no go on my tgp. I feel the same about so called “sleep sex” galleries.

I don't promote the "sleep sex" stuff either, but I will say the best way in the world to be woken up in the morning is having someone loving & petting on you

DannyCox · 08-03-2008

Rape or Forced Sex is one of the larger fantasies out there (among both men and women), and is also one of the most used themes in sexual role play among couples and groups. This stuff has been around forever, and as long as there is no bondage or true physical abuse, it easily gets approved by the censors here in Canada. I see nothing at all wrong with it and wouldn't have problems in displaying it at all.

I sometimes think the PC nature of the last decade is still influencing us and taking away a lot of the harmless "fun" that people have been experimenting with forever. I have more of a problem with the "Teen" concept, or with girls trying to look a little too young than I would ever have with something as mild as that gallery. In most areas of Europe, that gallery would just be considered boring vanilla sex!

Toby · 08-03-2008

PC be damned. I'm about as anti-PC as they come.

The fact that I'm located in Texas and not in Canada has far more bearing on my perspective than whether or not it's PC.

Sex with bondage doesn't bother me. I understand that bondage isn't about non-consent, it's about turning over control. The person being bound isn't being forced.

RawAlex · 08-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Toby

PC be damned. I'm about as anti-PC as they come.

The fact that I'm located in Texas and not in Canada has far more bearing on my perspective than whether or not it's PC.

Sex with bondage doesn't bother me. I understand that bondage isn't about non-consent, it's about turning over control. The person being bound isn't being forced.

Toby, we have no issue with bondage, but Canadian law gets pretty nasty when it comes to bondage with penetration, because no matter what a contract might say or the players may say after, the act is by definition non-consentual because the person being penetrated cannot stop the penetration. Quite simply, you cannot hogtie a girl and fuck her on camera, as the images are of non-consentual sex (and apparently it only takes a single still image, the actual run of the rest of the scene is not important)

Toby · 08-03-2008

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

...but Canadian law gets pretty nasty when it comes to bondage with penetration...

And US law is just as nasty in regards to sexual assault.

bluemoney · 08-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Nymph

I don't promote the "sleep sex" stuff either, but I will say the best way in the world to be woken up in the morning is having someone loving & petting on you

Schwiiing!

softball · 08-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Toby

And US law is just as nasty in regards to sexual assault.

Hence all the "happy endings" at kink dot com.

gonzo · 08-04-2008

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Originally Posted by rhetorical

Hence all the "happy endings" at kink dot com.

They werent very nice to me...

Gerco · 08-04-2008

I've done a few shoots in the bondage flavor, but I always keep one hand of the model free, she holds on to the rope, but it's not tied around her second hand for this very reason. I don't want to shot actual bondage, just the fantasy of it.

softball · 08-04-2008

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Originally Posted by gonzo

They werent very nice to me...

The ball gag was too tight?

gonzo · 08-04-2008

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Originally Posted by rhetorical

The ball gag was too tight?

LAJ was hogging the hot tub with all the other San Fran guys.

RawAlex · 08-04-2008

I thought there would be more space, because in San Fran they stack everyone two high in the tubs.

MikeSouth · 08-04-2008

i wouldnt worry so much about the legality as the proccessing visa is apparently very touchy about anything that even appears non consensual (even hypnosis sites)

since it isnt your site its probably nothing much to worry about but if those guys are processing through, say ccbill they could find themselves with no members in very short order

TheEnforcer · 08-05-2008

hell, I don't even have to look at the gallery to know the correct answer. It's really quite simple. It's your site so feel free to deny it and any other galleries you don't like. Hell, you can deny a softcore gallery with nude only just because you think it's banner is in the wrong spot. LOL

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Toby Fat Fucking Nobody Respin bullshit press Your Comments Are Welcomed Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 2,624	Non-consensual sex? This gallery was submitted to a couple of my sites today. I know that it's staged, but it's still portraying non-consensual sex, and just not something I want on my sites. http://www.leggyporn.com/gallery/ana...se13girls.html I'd be interested in some other opinions. I know cultural views on this vary. Am I over reacting? __________________ My TGP's: Bevy Of Babes \| Bevy Of Boobs \| Babes In Boots \| Well Heeled Women \| Dressing For Sex \| Latex Vixens \| Stocking Vixens

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Toby Fat Fucking Nobody Respin bullshit press Your Comments Are Welcomed Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 2,624	Re: Non-consensual sex? This partner has been submitting a couple of movie galleries a day over the last few months. All eastern European pantyhose/stocking stuff. This is about the third or fourth gallery in the last couple of weeks with this non-consentual content. Enough is enough, partner account deleted. __________________ My TGP's: Bevy Of Babes \| Bevy Of Boobs \| Babes In Boots \| Well Heeled Women \| Dressing For Sex \| Latex Vixens \| Stocking Vixens

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DannyCox I like cheese Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal, QC, CA Posts: 1,185	Re: Non-consensual sex? Rape or Forced Sex is one of the larger fantasies out there (among both men and women), and is also one of the most used themes in sexual role play among couples and groups. This stuff has been around forever, and as long as there is no bondage or true physical abuse, it easily gets approved by the censors here in Canada. I see nothing at all wrong with it and wouldn't have problems in displaying it at all. I sometimes think the PC nature of the last decade is still influencing us and taking away a lot of the harmless "fun" that people have been experimenting with forever. I have more of a problem with the "Teen" concept, or with girls trying to look a little too young than I would ever have with something as mild as that gallery. In most areas of Europe, that gallery would just be considered boring vanilla sex! __________________ iAmateurs Network Amateur Niche Affiliate Programs

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Toby Fat Fucking Nobody Respin bullshit press Your Comments Are Welcomed Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 2,624	Re: Non-consensual sex? PC be damned. I'm about as anti-PC as they come. The fact that I'm located in Texas and not in Canada has far more bearing on my perspective than whether or not it's PC. Sex with bondage doesn't bother me. I understand that bondage isn't about non-consent, it's about turning over control. The person being bound isn't being forced. __________________ My TGP's: Bevy Of Babes \| Bevy Of Boobs \| Babes In Boots \| Well Heeled Women \| Dressing For Sex \| Latex Vixens \| Stocking Vixens

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Gerco Posting from a Sock Puppet Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Northern GA Posts: 80	Re: Non-consensual sex? I've done a few shoots in the bondage flavor, but I always keep one hand of the model free, she holds on to the rope, but it's not tied around her second hand for this very reason. I don't want to shot actual bondage, just the fantasy of it.

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MikeSouth Banned From GFY for Doing The South Pole Boogie Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 398	Re: Non-consensual sex? i wouldnt worry so much about the legality as the proccessing visa is apparently very touchy about anything that even appears non consensual (even hypnosis sites) since it isnt your site its probably nothing much to worry about but if those guys are processing through, say ccbill they could find themselves with no members in very short order

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TheEnforcer Scored VIP to Anton's Piss Tank Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,781	Re: Non-consensual sex? hell, I don't even have to look at the gallery to know the correct answer. It's really quite simple. It's your site so feel free to deny it and any other galleries you don't like. Hell, you can deny a softcore gallery with nude only just because you think it's banner is in the wrong spot. LOL