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Dude could you build some free hosts for me , I know they won't make any money , but hey I DID think they would and I'll be damned if I'll change my mind.
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I'm not being stubborn, if I was I'd still insist we went into Iran, Saudi, Korea and all the others I listed in MikeAI's first thread on this over a year ago...
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I think that is antiquated.
In order for us to survive we will have to learn to live together , peacefully and on a global level.
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idealism is nice, thats why its called "ideal". broad stroke statements like that are easy to spit out a dozen a minute, but really mean nothing when applied to the real world.
to apply broad stroak qualification of wars is inherently bad logic. you are judging them in hindsight, after all, so it is easy to sound byte the validity of a war effort. The conflict and future conflicts in the middle east will be judged the day it is all said and done, in hindsight. Preemtive action, in business and in war, is sometimes the best strategy. anyone who can look at the middle east over the last 50 years cannot honestly say this wasn't coming down the barrel since day 1. peace efforts were exhausted long ago, strategic positioning for the coming decades is necessary, though not pretty. The situation has gone downhill at at an ever increasing pace, the next 5 decades would be exactly the same.
As for people in the middle east hating the US. it is not possible for them to hate us more now. they have hated the US since the formation of israel, the putting of US bases in saudi arabia, kuwait, etc. these were unavoidable problems due to the instability and actions of middle eastern nations.
Sure, the reason for going to war was wrong. the American people were most likely lied to, or at the very least the government played the fool in the intelligence communities leading to bad decision making. but to sit on the outside and cluck at the effort now is a dumb attitude. Since hindsight has shown the reasons for going to war to have not come to be, we should discount the good that has come of it (directly and indirectly)? come on.
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"war is the natural state of man" - i believe that you can't possibly align the interests of all those in power (or who would take power), of all countries, of all economies, of all religions and of all cultures to have lasting peace.
peace has always been the single greatest cause of war.
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People wanting a little peice of this or a little peice of that country
And Grimm,
Firstly , look man just mellow your ruining my vibe , and secondly, what good has come out of the war in Iraq?
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Agree with you about World War I.
The thing that has always seemed remarkable to me is that a repeat of World War I - "we have to go to war now, old chap - there is no 'off' swithch to our mobilization plan" didn't happen during the "Cold War" [meaning mostly brown, black, and yellow people died].
I agree about World War II as well - although I think it could have been prevented by the French had they not been stabbed in the back by their own right wing, and had they developed a set of testicles large enough to operate without the blessing of the King.
I think, however, that you should put down the crack pipe before you say "in WW2 we outta continued and fought against Stalin." That may sound really good in theory, but by 1945 Uncle Joe had some pretty formidable forces at his disposal, and most of what he was expending in the field was produced domestically. Not really sure the US/UK had the military might to do it, and there's that whole inconvenient thing about democracies - you'd have to sell the people on it, and I don't think the people on either side of the Atlantic would have bought it.
Although, at least in theory - such a thing MIGHT have been possible if the elections of 1945 had gone differently. Truman is quoted in the Congressional Record as suggesting from the floor of the Senate that the U.S. should support the Soviets as long as the Nazis were winning, but support the Nazis if it looked like the Soviets were winning.
Not sure I agree on Korea either. North Korea's invasion of the south was as clear an act of agression as anything Saddam ever contemplated. The mistake was in getting greedy - in trying to go all the way to the Chinese border.
I will avoid making any remarks about sheep or the Malvinas, just because I'm a nice guy, and I'm grateful that it did not become necessary for the United States to enter the conflict.
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The Iraq war was totally justified for it's incredible TV entertainment value.
Now it's becoming pretty old though, I think they should leave Iraq and let them sort it out on their own so they can focus their resources on starting a new war with another country.
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Nick, when did you become such a whiney ass tree hugger? ;-)
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the US is borrowing 2 billion a day from the rest of the world to keep its economy afloat. Mostly from China. Everyone has a vested interest in helping the US economy, because the US owes everyone bucket loads of money. If the US economy goes under, everyone stands to lose. But we must give US consumers every increasing amounts of imported product to buy...to keep the economy from collapsing, so the deficit will always grow.
With that being said, there is still a massive opportunity to make money from war, for the larger US corporations. Most of which give huge amounts of money to keep republicans in power. So the guv'ment gives them big contracts to feed soldiers abroad, rebuild nations after they have been demolished by weapons built by other corporations, rebuild oil pipelines, syphon oil (illegally), you name it. All in the name of giving the gift of peace. You see many media stories of happy Iraqi's these days? Wonder why?
Frankly I am amazed that anyone believed the bullshit the president said about going to war, given that no-one else outside the US supported his bullshit reasoning.
Media is the reason that war is executed. Media gives attention (and diverts it from other more pressing issues domestically), and media glorifies the war (imbedding journalists within the theatre of war). Media makes the war justified, because the US media is owned by government allies. If you see nothing but glorification of the war "effort" you might eventually be braindead enough to believe that you live in the greatest nation under god, delivery "peace" bomb by dirty bomb.
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since he got rich....being rich allowes one to stop worrying about his/hers wellbeing and start thinking about the Humanity as a whole.
JR,
this is a fucking PEARL!
"the scary truth about the humanity is that i could have more success organizing people to murder on a large scale than you could in organizing people for world peace.
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since he got rich....being rich allowes one to stop worrying about his/hers wellbeing and start thinking about the Humanity as a whole.
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There has not been any modern warfare fought on US soil, could that be a reason that the people cant really understand the true horror of civilian casualties?
Same can be said of the UK although to a lesser extent , they did get the shit bombed out of them during WWII.
I'm aware of the huge importantce of the US during the war, but whilst their young men were fighting in Europe, they didnt have to worry about their wife and kids getting blown up.
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el pres, that's exactly why we need to have this type of thing on live television, it is missing from all our lives
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el pres, that's exactly why we need to have this type of thing on live television, it is missing from all our lives
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very keen observation...the year was 1980, I just came to USA and was talking to an older female collegue about the USSR, The Second World War, about the blockade of Leningrad by Germans when 3/4 of the city population have died from starvation...she interrupted me with:
Yes, I remember those war days in USA, it was real difficult times,
I couldn't even get my husband a white shirt for Xmass!"
THAT was her definition of "war horrors"
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El Pres - the point that no major war has been fought on US soil in 20th Century certainly has a bearing on our use of military overseas. However, without the attacks in 9-11 we would not have had such a juicy excuse to go into Iraq.
Leeds you make some interesting points, however I think you do not understand the media in the US. The overwhelming mainstream media is very liberal, anti-war, and VERY anti-Bush. This included their corporate masters as well.
Only Murdoch was pro-war.
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BTW, I'll entertain your non sequitor-
Stalin and Hitler killed the SAME numbers of Russians, 20 mils each.
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Serge, I was merely pointing out that Stalin killed more Russians then Hitler.
Both Hitler and Stalin were bad.
FDR and Churchill were wrong for making a deal with Stalin to turn over "liberated Eastern Europe" to the USSR.
It is ironic that the British ( Churchill) went to war with Germany when Hilter invaded Poland. Yet a few years later, the allies were willing to turn over Poland to the same fate from another totalitarian dictator. Even more ironic is that Hitler and Stalin had agreed to divide Poland in the first place!!
Serge, have you seen the latest version of Machurian Candidate? I think your some of the reminants of brainwashing from the same regime Stalin built is starting to show.
Heck you still have come to grips that Russian pilots were flying against US pilots in the Korean war - even after I sent you a bunch of links from Google and Yahoo. ( I know they are 2 capitalist pig companies who spray out nothing but propaganda)
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BTW, I'll entertain your non sequitor-
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Well that makes Stalin OK then!
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which has the SAME relevance to the discussion at hand as the number condoms sold in Malaysia in 1976... - NON SEQUITOR!
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not really...I was presented with "evidence" in the form of the clips from History Channel and took them for what they worth, true or false I have bought it.
Because...I am older, and my EARS are better developed with age than my mouth. Children cry from the moment they get born, LISTENING and understanding one;s opponent takes practise. You'll get there one day for your own sake
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