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It has NOTHING to do with business we made,
it has nothing to do with anything I expect in return,
but it has EVERYTHING to do with:
when and if I need a favor,
I NEVER hear NO from the guys.
There are people on the net I can count on my hands I can say the same thing,
and THIS for me MUCH more important than implied charecter flaws, etc, etc some people atribute to them.
Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 30 2004, 07:21 AM It has NOTHING to do with business we made,
it has nothing to do with anything I expect in return,
but it has EVERYTHING to do with:
when and if I need a favor,
I NEVER hear NO from the guys.
There are people on the net I can count on my hands I can say the same thing,
and THIS for me MUCH more important than implied charecter flaws, etc, etc some people atribute to them.
For those who are new to the industry, or just new to oprano, let me explain this strange, messed up situation...
1 of the parties involved is a proven, self confessed scam artist who will lie to their supposed friends to try to make a few bucks. The other party has run a legitimate business for 7 years and worked with industry leaders the other party could only dream of working with.
1 of the parties will be in this business for as long as they want to be, the other party has to hide for fear of one of their victims taking revenge.
1 of the parties involved has a few friends at oprano who will accept them no matter who they fuck, the other party has friends everywhere in the business who will do business with them because they know they won't get fucked.
1 of these parties only knows 1 way to generate traffic ... the other party knows 100's of ways. 1 of these parties could send you a few signups a day, the other a few hundred.
1 of these parties is nice guys, 1 of them pretends to be to find a way they can fuck you.
Serge, I know you are trying to make some controversy here, and I know you don't give a fuck about business anymore because you've achieved your goals. But some of us who contribute to Oprano aren't quite finished yet ... I had thought that you shared the same view of making Oprano a place where real webmasters with real business go - I must have misunderstood because here you are slagging off one of the industries most successful companies for the sake of controversy.
I guess we should stop bothering with increasing oprano's overall quality - what's the point if you send all the good webmasters we bring in packing because your friends ripped them off?
Nick and Anthony have always made their own beds - they like to earn their money quickly with as much damage to others as possible & make no secret of it. Why should the rest of us support them at the expense of losing our own potential for legitimate business?!?!
Sorry Nick & Ant, but dishonesty between family shits me. This week's quote from the handbook:
"The most important thing in your business relationships is a reputation for honesty. If you can genuinely and sincerely fake honesty, you'll be a success, never doubt it."
Originally posted by Vick@May 30 2004, 04:19 PM Alex - there's one question I never saw an answer to, if it's been posted please forgive me
Did you have on entrance consoles opening on the tour pages traffic was being sent to?
If so was that covered in your agreement?
Vick, they weren't my sites to start with but to answer your question, yes there was and when it was brought to my attention, it was taken care of immediately. I also made an attempt to rectify the situation by offering compensation to them as I thought that would be the fair thing to do.
For the amount of traffic that Nick sent, I was ready to compensate him for 40 joins @ 25.00 per join or $1000.00 which would have been roughly a 1:75 conversion ratio for him.
Instead Nick decided to keep the entire $15k
There wasn't a written agreement per say. More of hey we will send joins but we need to be prepaid. Jason and I were new to this part of the business as the only mailings we ever did were to our canceled members.
I'm not so worried about the 15k as Nick and Anthony obviously need it more than Jason or I do. I'm just hear to state the facts and to beware if you choose to deal with these two characters.
Jason and I take part of the blame for this as well as we should of understood this part of this business more and actually ask Nick what he expects. But by the same token, for the small amount of traffic he sent, I don't believe he should have kept the entire $15k
I'm sure Nick will tell you a different story but not much I can do about that.
Originally posted by cj@May 30 2004, 07:35 PM The other party has run a legitimate business for 7 years and worked with industry leaders the other party could only dream of working with.
cj,
and who are the "industry leaders"?
(is being indited is a pre-requisit of "industry leadership"?)
your so-called "industry leaders" on the high horse of the moral principles would take the traffic from mass murderers if they can make a buck on it
;_)))
Originally posted by Alex From San Diego@May 30 2004, 08:00 PM Jason and I were new to this part of the business as the only mailings we ever did were to our canceled members.
cj, and what exactly those 2 lads were doing for 7 years????
Originally posted by cj@May 30 2004, 07:35 PM I had thought that you shared the same view of making Oprano a place where real webmasters with real business go - I must have misunderstood because here you are slagging off one of the industries most successful companies for the sake of controversy.
cj, once again you gave me more credit than I deserved.
The ONLY reason for Oprano's creation, and
Meat, Aga, Nick, MikeAI, Anthony would confirm that,
I needed $5000 a month income to keep SSS, Inc afloat,
(I like to have a company for business reasons)
$2 mils Oprano has made was absolutelly unexpected and was never my goal, and neither all the nobel causes you THINk were behind it's creation.
I am at the point where I just enjoy talking to the people I like, bust the heads I don't like and I personally use Oprano as my social calender more than anything.
you are putting me on the pedestal which is not mine
;-))))
Well Alex - I thank you for your answer and I'm certainly not the judge in this case but I get the feeling there's probably more to the picture than meets the eye here
That being said, you can probably give up your smear campaign about Nick here. We've know Nick for years and ... we love him. He's family. Most here will take Nick's side (not that he needs it)
Most likely dragging this on here is going to damage your reputation
Sorry you couldn't work things out but Hacer la vista gorda
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Originally posted by Vick@May 30 2004, 05:18 PM Well Alex - I thank you for your answer and I'm certainly not the judge in this case but I get the feeling there's probably more to the picture than meets the eye here
That being said, you can probably give up your smear campaign about Nick here. We've know Nick for years and ... we love him. He's family. Most here will take Nick's side (not that he needs it)
Most likely dragging this on here is going to damage your reputation
Sorry you couldn't work things out but Hacer la vista gorda
Thanks for the advice but I doubt my reputation will be tarnished one bit....
If I had to depend on the boards for my business, I would be in trouble.
Before this even goes any further. Before we took this last agreement with JSA, we had one previous. We sent mass emails that converted for us on behalf of JSA at 1:75. The sponsor we were sending too is known for his "counting", yet we showed decent numbers. It made us wonder what our true numbers were in the first place.
Nevertheless, we entered this second agreement with JSA for more traffic.
We sent traffic, between 40 to 60k to one sponsor that got us a total of 10 signups. I kept sending even after the supposedly dropped their on entry consoles. Still abysmal signups.
Another sponsor, we sent to for about a day and a half, and that sponsor who JSA sent us too, showed us with less than 100 clicks. We found out later that they changed the linking code on us and "forgot" to tell us.
We spent money bringing online a new network with major provider, a big pipe, servers, programs, time spent getting this new network up, which I told JSA about.
I rec'd an email stating to stop sending traffic, and return money one day. Right after we spent resources and money getting a new network that we didn't need, to work the traffic wanted by JSA. Wonderful.
So, great. Now, we are supposed to eat the all the money and resources lost on clicks sent, that we got shitty conversions on due to on entrance consoles, wrong links, and now a new network.
I'm not even going into the posts about getting Nick's Home address, and the subesquent threats.
Originally posted by Vick@May 30 2004, 08:18 PM Well Alex - I thank you for your answer and I'm certainly not the judge in this case but I get the feeling there's probably more to the picture than meets the eye here
That being said, you can probably give up your smear campaign about Nick here. We've know Nick for years and ... we love him. He's family. Most here will take Nick's side (not that he needs it)
Most likely dragging this on here is going to damage your reputation
Sorry you couldn't work things out but Hacer la vista gorda
Vick,
I know Nick like no other on this board.
When I met Nick,
it was during intercourse when ScottPB and me were actually fucking Nick from both ends, he was so honest, he didn't even see it coming.
When I met Nick,
he couldn't fuck a fly with wings torn off.
He tried to fuck me just for a pure sport of it,
it lasted 24 hours and we still laugh about it. Fucking people is NOT in his nature.
What IS in his nature,
is to fuck oen right back and with prejudice when he catches somebody fucking him.
As men we all can understand it, even if cj can't....
When I met Nick,
it was during intercourse when ScottPB and me were actually fucking Nick from both ends, he was so honest, he didn't even see it coming.
When I met Nick,
he couldn't fuck a fly with wings torn off.
He tried to fuck me just for a pure sport of it,
it lasted 24 hours and we still laugh about it. Fucking people is NOT in his nature.
What IS in his nature,
is to fuck oen right back and with prejudice when he catches somebody fucking him.
As men we all can understand it, even if cj can't....
Makes perfect sense and holds true with what I know of Nick
Nick - don't ya love us all talking about you ah ha ha ha ha
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Originally posted by Anthony@May 30 2004, 05:24 PM Before this even goes any further. Before we took this last agreement with JSA, we had one previous. We sent mass emails that converted for us on behalf of JSA at 1:75. The sponsor we were sending too is known for his "counting", yet we showed decent numbers. It made us wonder what our true numbers were in the first place.
Nevertheless, we entered this second agreement with JSA for more traffic.
We sent traffic, between 40 to 60k to one sponsor that got us a total of 10 signups. I kept sending even after the supposedly dropped their on entry consoles. Still abysmal signups.
Another sponsor, we sent to for about a day and a half, and that sponsor who JSA sent us too, showed us with less than 100 clicks. We found out later that they changed the linking code on us and "forgot" to tell us.
We spent money bringing online a new network with major provider, a big pipe, servers, programs, time spent getting this new network up, which I told JSA about.
I rec'd an email stating to stop sending traffic, and return money one day. Right after we spent resources and money getting a new network that we didn't need, to work the traffic wanted by JSA. Wonderful.
So, great. Now, we are supposed to eat the all the money and resources lost on clicks sent, that we got shitty conversions on due to on entrance consoles, wrong links, and now a new network.
I'm not even going into the posts about getting Nick's Home address, and the subesquent threats.
Boolsheet.
The almighty Anthony has spoken....to bad you are dillusional as well and forget to mention all the emails I sent you the last 2 months and the BS you tried to have me believe....
Alex,
I know Anthony PERSONALLY, along with:
his ex, his dog,
and WHY shouldn't I beleive Anthony over you whom I never met in my life or heard barely about??????
Originally posted by Vick@May 30 2004, 05:26 PM Just thought about it a little further and if there was money to be made in the deal you can believe Nick would be all over it,
why supposedly take 15K when you could make hundreds of thousands or even millions?
so .......
..... the numbers aren't adding up
You hit the nail right on the head.
We wanted a long term relationship, we wanted someone we could trust to send our traffic too when the situation came up.
This all started with me doing a friend a favor. Helping him broker signups. He worked for JSA and he got pushed out of the deal, totally. Once it showed from our first mailout for them to make a ton of money. Funny thing is, my buddy wanted to do the right thing, and broker signups for me, and double dip, so he told them what he was doing so he didn't feel like he was sneaking around. So much for honesty there huh? He got cut right out. I should have known there for myself what I was getting myself into.
Hell, they even tried to change the number we wanted on signups without telling me. Which I had to correct.
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@May 30 2004, 05:31 PM Alex,
I know Anthony PERSONALLY, along with:
his ex, his dog,
and WHY shouldn't I beleive Anthony over you whom I never met in my life or heard barely about??????
Believe what you want Serge....I could give two shits what you think about me.
I know one thing "you can tell a person character by who their friends are"
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