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i think all the pissers have lost the "fire" that they had inside and all the newbies are either too afraid that they might invoke the wrath of someone like yourself serge or they dont know the value of some bad pr.
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Everyone is feeling the same 'heat', and it's evident that everyone has informally agreed, that the 'big dick' displays of shows past are not effective nor do they have an ROI worth persuing.... hence a limit on the 'parties' being thrown...
Maybe the industry finally IS maturing, as ulfie said... and it's time...
The one thing I've noticed is the newer young crowd attending conventions now. There has been quite a turnaround of our marketing webmasters, many of whom now seem to only be in this industry to party at the various conventions.
We all used to be there... in varying degress. I myself have toned it down considerably in the past couple of years, focusing more on business at shows.
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Originally posted by Evil Chris@Dec 18 2003, 10:41 AM The one thing I've noticed is the newer young crowd attending conventions now. There has been quite a turnaround of our marketing webmasters, many of whom now seem to only be in this industry to party at the various conventions.
We all used to be there... in varying degress. I myself have toned it down considerably in the past couple of years, focusing more on business at shows.
Proff you are becoming an old man!!
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I would love too see pissing with VISA and MasterCard and/or their acquiring banks, however they are too scared to post - they are only lurking at boards... h34r:
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Though ARS has always taken the low-key approach I'm glad we're the ones around with the continuing tradition of low-key business effective parties, both the Gameworks party in the past and the newer Webmaster Poker Tour (2nd incarnation in Vegas) are great opportunities to talk to webmasters without 150 decibels of dance music kicking in your ear.
And Old Fold, I feel like I missed out on the tradition last year, I'll have to join you and the Gravel Voice at the door along with our new blood John V
Originally posted by Toolz@Dec 18 2003, 12:50 PM Though ARS has always taken the low-key approach I'm glad we're the ones around with the continuing tradition of low-key business effective parties, both the Gameworks party in the past and the newer Webmaster Poker Tour (2nd incarnation in Vegas) are great opportunities to talk to webmasters without 150 decibels of dance music kicking in your ear.
And Old Fold, I feel like I missed out on the tradition last year, I'll have to join you and the Gravel Voice at the door along with our new blood John V
I saw Steve's new house and car - I think you are just jealous Brad!
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Originally posted by pornoman@Dec 18 2003, 03:08 PM Toolz,
I think there are a few places you should take John for some training..
Toolz taught me the secret to going to strip clubs is extra pairs of pants.... never know when you will need them!
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Originally posted by Evil Chris@Dec 18 2003, 07:41 AM The one thing I've noticed is the newer young crowd attending conventions now. There has been quite a turnaround of our marketing webmasters, many of whom now seem to only be in this industry to party at the various conventions.
that's what's killing this more than visa...there will always be alternative billing solutions - where there's a demand...a supply will be provided. It's the idiots slinging galleries for 50 bucks a day so they can brag they sell porn and sponsors dealing with razor thin margins to keep those puppies happy that are flushing it all down the toilet...
Originally posted by aeon@Dec 18 2003, 01:44 PM kill all of them...
In 2004 we will see more sponsors not letting every moron signup to push their sites - this should halt many of the newbies, which is yet to enter the industry. Also since margins are getting razor thin, then people with bad traffic will need to find new places to send it. And with legal and processing issues also, then we will be less one year from now.
Maybe we should make a "what do you predict for 2004" thread - naahh, better wait until after Internext
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I could probably find a thing or two to piss about....
But probably won't be in Vegas, so, wouldn't be able to finish it up by kicking whatever assfuck I pissed with's ass from the venetian all the way to the boardwalk as I would have ended up at some point promising to do....
Other than that, I'm in a pretty pissy mood as a matter of fact....
Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 19 2003, 03:02 AM Sare the neighbor's yard is always an excellent place to do some late-night pissing.
Or so Serge and Forest claim. :P
Carrie,
now MikeW has the same problem with his neighbor and invited me and Forest to do the deed....
Originally posted by aeon@Dec 18 2003, 04:44 PM that's what's killing this more than visa...there will always be alternative billing solutions - where there's a demand...a supply will be provided. It's the idiots slinging galleries for 50 bucks a day so they can brag they sell porn and sponsors dealing with razor thin margins to keep those puppies happy that are flushing it all down the toilet...
kill all of them...disembowel them publicly at the convention and I consider it worth attending.
best of luck -
aeon
agreed.
there's a certain sponsor currently who must be having a competition with a few other programs to see who can give the most free pics to webmasters ... it looks like around 30 new galleries every week are being added ... that adds up to several hundred if not more pics ...
why give away so much of what you are trying to sell?
why are there still companies giving away content at all, let alone in such a huge quantity and then expecting someone to pay $30 a month for it plus a bit more?!
i don't see the point currently in investing a heap of money or time into an industry where the profit margins are becoming less than they are in most industries - when the reality is most of us got into this biz for the money anyway, not because we are proud that we sell smutty sex to desperate wankers ...
although i still have porn paysites and will until visa hammers the final nail, i've done a full turn about and am back to doing what I started with 6 years ago, quality online magazines with a reasonable monthly rate - and not 'porn'. no more $30 40 or 50 a month sites, no more $30+ payouts to webmasters etc ... someone else can spend the money, and i'll watch & learn from their mistakes, because guaranteed EVERYBODY IS MAKING THEM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS DICK ABOUT DICK NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY!!!!
The sooner boards like gfy with 'beer money' webmasters go bye bye, the sooner the biz can get on with fixing itself ... but until that happens, sit back with some popcorn & prepare to be amazed at how moronic & amusing some people will behave as their future, livelihood, dreams & egos come crashing before their eyes!!!!!!
*evil laugh*
i cant vait for zat vun!
sorry folks, saturday afternoon & i'm waiting for a load of washing to finish
Originally posted by cj@Dec 19 2003, 11:45 PM The sooner boards like gfy with 'beer money' webmasters go bye bye, the sooner the biz can get on with fixing itself ...
but until that happens, sit back with some popcorn & prepare to be amazed at how moronic & amusing some people will behave as their future, livelihood, dreams & egos come crashing before their eyes!!!!!!
I can only hope and pray
Note - I'm an Atheist - Swear to God I am
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Originally posted by Cleo@Dec 21 2003, 02:50 PM My sales have never been better, this month has been very good.
Vegas should be fun.
There is nothing to piss about, life is good.
The sky only appears to be falling for those who have seen the sky.... the ants who crawl don't know when the sky is falling.
Everything is relative.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Dec 21 2003, 04:23 PM
The sky only appears to be falling for those who have seen the sky.... the ants who crawl don't know when the sky is falling.
Everything is relative.
Not my fault Icarus if your wings are made of wax and you chose to fly too close to the sun.
90% of the world has yet to get on the internet.
I guess all of us little worker ants will inherit the internet.
MasterP, take Serge's advice.
Keep your idea to yourself and run with it.
The people who post here aren't the only ones who read the board. The richest guys in this industry make a living from lurking on boards and seeing ideas like the one you're about to summarize, and putting their staff to work launching it before you can even *think* about getting it off of the ground.
I guarantee you, if you mention your idea, someone else will have it live in a month. And you'll have lost the game.
KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. Work on it, and make *yourself* the money.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Dec 21 2003, 04:57 PM MasterP, take Serge's advice.
Keep your idea to yourself and run with it.
The people who post here aren't the only ones who read the board. The richest guys in this industry make a living from lurking on boards and seeing ideas like the one you're about to summarize, and putting their staff to work launching it before you can even *think* about getting it off of the ground.
I guarantee you, if you mention your idea, someone else will have it live in a month. And you'll have lost the game.
KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. Work on it, and make *yourself* the money.
yeah nick because we all need ideas from an 'i promise i can make you rich quick, drive by webmasters'
>>I guarantee you, if you mention your idea, someone else will have it live in a month.
I guarantee you that very few people will give a shit about your idea unless its something we haven't heard before which i doubt ... but hey, i'm ready to be surprised!!
what is it?! another new billing method that will solve our problems? a new content management system? or what about another webmaster resource?!
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