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While Karl Marx issued Manifest der kommunistischen Partei (Communist Manifesto) in the hope of precipitating social revolution .....
So far that hasn't really worked and (IMNSHO) at best are marginally interesting to read and then follow the influence his writing and work had
Grouch gave us entertainment and thought provoking witticisms that still hold true and amuse us
Wonder if MTV could do a Marx Celebrity death match
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Originally posted by TeenGodFather@Nov 3 2003, 09:26 PM I wish Groucho would have authored the communist manifesto, russia would have been a much happier place.
"If you happened to take a look up FDR's family tree, you might run into Clinton Roosevelt, who wrote a booklet entitled Science Of Government Founded On Natural Law (Dean & Trevett, NY). What makes this work important is that this little document contains most of the New Deal/Communist Manifesto. And what makes the thing interesting is that it came out in 1841, several years before Karl Marx's work! The truth is that both Clinton Roosevelt's Science and Karl Marx's Manifesto were plagiaries of yet an earlier eighteenth century collection of writings by another Jew named Adam Weishaupt.
Weishaupt died in 1830 and Clinton Roosevelt simply picked up the torch and passed it on to Marx."
Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 4 2003, 07:41 AM "If you happened to take a look up FDR's family tree, you might run into Clinton Roosevelt, who wrote a booklet entitled Science Of Government Founded On Natural Law (Dean & Trevett, NY). What makes this work important is that this little document contains most of the New Deal/Communist Manifesto. And what makes the thing interesting is that it came out in 1841, several years before Karl Marx's work! The truth is that both Clinton Roosevelt's Science and Karl Marx's Manifesto were plagiaries of yet an earlier eighteenth century collection of writings by another Jew named Adam Weishaupt.
Weishaupt died in 1830 and Clinton Roosevelt simply picked up the torch and passed it on to Marx."
I love reading this stuff. I speak Russian fairly well and have read all of Lenins writings as well as studied East European History of the last century quite a bit. When reading their writings and considering it within the context of the times they were writing in, it makes a lot of sense.
Originally posted by Fletch XXX@Nov 4 2003, 10:41 AM "If you happened to take a look up FDR's family tree, you might run into Clinton Roosevelt, who wrote a booklet entitled Science Of Government Founded On Natural Law (Dean & Trevett, NY). What makes this work important is that this little document contains most of the New Deal/Communist Manifesto. And what makes the thing interesting is that it came out in 1841, several years before Karl Marx's work! The truth is that both Clinton Roosevelt's Science and Karl Marx's Manifesto were plagiaries of yet an earlier eighteenth century collection of writings by another Jew named Adam Weishaupt.
Weishaupt died in 1830 and Clinton Roosevelt simply picked up the torch and passed it on to Marx."
I was looking up info on the bastard Roosevelt, and came across this paragraph.
I had not heard this theory until then.
Think it's true?
It is, of course, a well known fact that Franklin Roosevelt was a Jew. That truth was established by a prominent German politician in the 1930s-40s. If you are inclined to believe in the theories proffered by the likes of such people - or if you are inclined to believe it matters one fucking bit whether he was or wasn't - than I am sure you can take whatever is on that website as absolute truth.
But the profound truth goes far beyond plagarism by Marx and an early Roosevelt. I mean, can't you see the significance?
CLINTON Roosevelt? Ohmyohmy ... the plot thickens h34r:
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Originally posted by JR@Nov 5 2003, 08:35 AM When reading their writings and considering it within the context of the times they were writing in, it makes a lot of sense.
yes it does.
i like reading all this as well.
historical writings hold all the secrets to the wool over our eyes.
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 5 2003, 08:37 AM If you are inclined to believe in the theories proffered by the likes of such people - or if you are inclined to believe it matters one fucking bit whether he was or wasn't - than I am sure you can take whatever is on that website as absolute truth.
'My mom taught me at an early age to not believe anything, that anyone says.' - Charles Manson
The unheard of Marx but one of the most important: Sam Marx
My mom had him as a sugar daddy for 30 years when I was in Hollywood. Started with Mayer and Thalberg, now MGM...discovered a cutie and put her in Lassie Come Home, Elizabeth Taylor...one of the behind the scenes moguls of the movie biz.
He died last year at the age of 101...my mom got some nice goodies, the best is Post Office Box 1, Beverly Hills, CA
Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 5 2003, 03:59 PM I am supposed to believe that most of the people in this thread have read Marx and understand it? right.
I've only read the Communist Manifesto. Capital put me to sleep.
I'm interested to know what J.R. thinks Marx "borrowed". The implication being that Marx was some kind of German commie plagarist.
Marx took the ideas of others - like Hegel's dialectic - and applied it to his own work, sure. But that's not ripping off someone else's stuff.
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I agree. To say he is a difficult read is an understatement. Reading it is one thing, understanding him is another. Many a phd thesis has been written that just involve dumbing his material down. None of the critics on here have made any statement beyond the standard kneejerk comments about his ideas on the shortcomings of capitalism. Which only prove they have no idea the breadth and the scope of his work. I am trying my hardest not to get involved in this thread. Marx was a genius.
I can hear it now, "but he was wrong about the revolution". Listen up halfwits. Marx was writing at a time when the proletariate were working under conditions that one could barely imagine now. Marx only failed to predict the ability of capitalism and the means of production to adapt. It would have only been a matter of time if people were forced to work under horrific conditions that they would eventually rise up and start killing. Conditions improved enough to keep people happy and keep the revolution a distant idea. This still holds true today, 90% of the population make enough to just survive on a daily basis. The artificial need created by the culture industry keeps you consuming, keeps you working for whatever they will give you. Fucking sheep.
I agree, I would like to know what he ripped off from someone else.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Nov 5 2003, 06:59 PM I am supposed to believe that most of the people in this thread have read Marx and understand it? right.
I was forced to....right
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wanna swap some notes on Der Kapital and Manifesto?
"Prizrak brodit po Evrope, Prizrak Kommunizma"
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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Nov 5 2003, 04:40 PM ""The trouble with Communism is the Communists, just as the trouble with Christianity is the Christians."" - H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
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So then it is logical to assume that the problem with America is Americans...
Originally posted by Joe Sixpack@Nov 5 2003, 05:57 PM I simply will not drink any beer labelled light, lite or low fucking anything. It's an abomination.
Shame you can't get to Amsterdam for New Years Eve. In early January I'm going to Belgium for some serious beer drinking.
I hear ya man.
Eh well, my original plans were to be in New Orleans for New Years (family), Ive pushed that back to make Mardi Gras instead. Bring your ass to Mardi Gras, we'll do some serious drinking.
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