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"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."
If you are white.
"you're" -- nevermind you edited it.

So why aren't blacks fleeing the US to live the good life in Africa?

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D'Souza challenges one of the central premises of today's intelligentsia: The equality of all cultures. "If one begins with the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal, then the world as it is makes very little sense," he says. Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.

Immigrants "are walking refutations of cultural relativism," D'Souza says, because "they are voting with their feet in favor of the new culture" represented by America and the West. There is "a one-way movement from tribal, agrarian cultures toward modern, industrialized, American-style cultures." Why, he asks "would immigrants voluntarily uproot themselves and relocate to another society unless they were deeply convinced that, on balance, the new culture was better than the old culture?"

According to D'Souza, "the free society is not simply richer, more varied, and more fun: it is also morally superior." Millions of Americans "who live decent praiseworthy lives deserve our highest admiration because they have opted for the good when the good is not the only available option."

"America is the greatest, freest and most decent society in existence. It is an oasis of goodness in a desert of cynicism and barbarism. This country, once an experiment unique in the world, is now the last best hope for the world."
uhhh - because their starving to death where they live?

skippy needs to understand what cultural relativism is...

Cultural relativism holds that "good" means what is "socially approved" by the majority in a given culture. Infanticide, for example, isn't good or bad objectively; rather it's good in a society that approves of it, but bad in one that disapproves of it.

the simple definition...

Even google got it right...

disagreeing with the moral ethos of a culture and leaving it is not a refutation of cultural relativism - in anyway conceivable.

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If you are white.
Be sure and tell that to the Latinos, Indians and Asians who are flocking here in droves and remember to also tell the "African Americans" who aren't going back to Africa. They seem to be confused and want to live here. :P
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So why aren't blacks fleeing the US to live the good life in Africa?

European colonialism destroyed Africa. What exactly is there to flee to? They got fucked in Africa, they got fucked in the United States. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
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Some cultures have completely outperformed others in providing the things that all people seek -- health, food, housing, security and the amenities of life.
Funny how he uses things that are completely relative to make his point.

What is easier (or better for that matter), eating berries off a bush and a fish out of the river, or driving my SUV to the grocery store?

Its all relative. And thats the point.
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Cultural relativism and multi-culturalism are two different issues - and I read the paragraph - thorougly - his assertion that immigration in any way invalidates the ethical position of cultural relativism is patently absurd. He would be laughed out of any APA/RPA meeting immediately.

Cultural relativism is an incredibly weak ethical position but his means of "refutation" are foolish & amateur at best.

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Really? How did Europeans colonize Africa if Africa was already a superior culture?
Who the fuck said it was superior? Not superior, different. It worked for them for a couple hundred thousand years. Yeah, those god damn hunter gatherers really stood a chance. Their culture did not need to develop along the same lines as the Europeans, the Chinese, the Native Americans, etc etc. Everyone evolves to fill their niche.

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Oh, but mass death and disease is part of their equal culture,

Is that relative, you fucking idiot?
All a result of colonialization.

Mass death and disease are cultural attributes? Are you that fucking stupid?



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Cultural relativism and multi-culturalism are two different issues - and I read the paragraph - thorougly - his assertion that immigration in any way invalidates the ethical position of cultural relativism is patently absurd. He would be laughed out of any APA/RPA meeting immediately.

Cultural relativism is an incredibly weak ethical position but his means of "refutation" are foolish & amateur at best.

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Immigration is not a barometer of cultural superiority?

Why aren't the rich in America fighting to win a place in jail, instead of hiring expensive lawyers to keep them out of jail, since it's all relative and jail is not inferior to being a billionaire CEO?
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Who the fuck said it was superior? Not superior, different. It worked for them for a couple hundred thousand years. Yeah, those god damn hunter gatherers really stood a chance. Their culture did not need to develop along the same lines as the Europeans, the Chinese, the Native Americans, etc etc. Everyone evolves to fill their niche.

For example, you fill the fat ignorant prostitute fucker niche quite well.
Look at all the human beings flocking back to live the hunter/gatherer lifestyle!

The half-wit brainwashed diptshit uneducated leftard niche is already overflowing, but for some reason you're staying in it.
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That's funny, I didn't see him mention anything about SUVs.
I also didn't see him talk about anything relative, but rather the widely accepted basics of living.

I'm sure that you, Labret, would rather see all blacks still living in these types of conditions:

It probably fits in perfectly with your "I am superior" attitude.
Quite frankly, I doubt there are any blacks in America who would rather live in a bug-infested, windy hut in the middle of the mud.
Amazingly enough that there IS mud, even... at least that means there's water.
You do realize that Africa is a large continent and has environments ranging from desert to jungle right?
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until one looks at Zimbabwe. Mugabe throws out the white farmers and the people start starving to death again.

Please move there!
Very interesting article in NG a few months ago regarding this. Seems almost all the farms have gone to seed after they were taken from the whites and given to the blacks and the blacks are trying to hire to the whites to come back and work for them and get the farms to produce again. It wasn't the blacks fault - they had ZERO experience in farming land. Sad.
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It is such a horrific idea that we have game shows that revolve around it, Survivor. Where we all take joy in watching the average American reduced to a starving babbling idiot. And that is with giving them tools and food rewards.
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Americans adapt. Also, our culture is such that we don't have to be hunter/getherers. That's an example of the idiocy of cultural relativism.

Explain how its an example.
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It is such a horrific idea that we have game shows that revolve around it, Survivor. Where we all take joy in watching the average American reduced to a starving babbling idiot. And that is with giving them tools and food rewards.
The people on those shows are not "average Americans." The people on those shows are jackasses competing for cash prizes.

The average American lives in the bask of his superior culture which ensures him protection against starvation (like in Africa) or poverty (like in Asia, Africa, and most of Europe).
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Why aren't the rich in America fighting to win a place in jail, instead of hiring expensive lawyers to keep them out of jail, since it's all relative and jail is not inferior to being a billionaire CEO?
I will do this slowly...so you can possibly understand it. This person asserts that cultural relativism is flawed on the basis of immigration to the US and as a result of that immigration, the US is morally superior.

Cultural relativism cannot be refuted by the immigration patterns of relatively few individuals - it simply asserts, that which the majority of any given society, at any given time, determine be right or wrong is based solely on the majority of that society's determination. Nothing else.

There is no way to refute this position based on immigration, unless this individual is privy to enough data to demonstrate at least in someway, the majority of individuals in any given society disagree with the moral mandates of that society and seek to emmigrate to the US based on that factor, his position is absolutely flawed. Even then, his position would not hold. He is using an idiotic anecdotal inference to justify a universal position; namely the US is morally superior...his premise is beyond justification or even salvaging...therefor, the conclusion does not follow.

People move to australia, GB, mexico, canada, taiwan, thailand, eastern europe, etc., their motivations are not all similart, just as those who move to the US - there is no tandem to be found - the position is for the cognitively flawed to swallow.

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So let me see if I got this straight.

American culture is superior.

The idea that blacks are equal to whites is disproven by the existance of equal opportunity/affirmative action programs.

In other words, having been denied the opportunity to participate fully in the superior culture, their failure to catch up in 30 years or so somehow proves that they are not equal?

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So let me see if I got this straight.

American culture is superior.

The idea that blacks are equal to whites is disproven by the existance of equal opportunity/affirmative action programs.

In other words, having been denied the opportunity to participate fully in the superior culture, their failure to catch up in 30 years or so somehow proves that they are not equal?

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30 years?
PD, even your art of exagerration to make a point is really being stretched here.
Slavery was ended in 1865.
That's when their freedom and opportunities began.

If you want to drag this down to a level of voting and such, I guess you should throw women into the mix... oh wait, on average women have taken the opportunities allowed them and gone racing ahead full speed... that just won't do to fit the scenario.
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Compare the number of native americans that died in your example to the number of Africans (after all, we ARE talking about Africa here, even though I can't fault you for attempting to change the subject since you have such a short memory and an embarrassingly low level of reading comprehension) who have died.. and are STILL dying... in the wastelands of Africa.


Dumbass, try and follow this time. There is no difference between what happened to the Native Americans and what happened to certain areas of Africa. You at least see how starvation and disease accompanies the forced integration of indigenous peoples into foreign subsistence patterns, in this case the Natives... yet you cannot see how it happened in Africa? I know you like to generalize Africa as one giant Ethiopia, but about the only thing African indigenous populations shared is that they are all "black". Try to imagine it like a larger Europe, all a bunch of crackers but all speaking different languages and having different cultural customs. I am getting off track.

The only difference between what happened to the Native Americans and the African countries you are talking about is that the Native Americans have not been able to run off the white man. Whereas many of these small African nations have managed to do just that. So you are left with a bunch of uprooted uneducated indigenous fucksticks that kicked out the infrastructure of their country, trying to run a semi-modern nation state? When a couple hundred years ago they were all hunter gatherers? Its like Detroit. The jigs kicked 98% of the white people in Detroit out after the riots in the 60s, with it left the infrastructure and wealth of the entire city, and now we are left with Detroit. Largely a massive ghetto full of poverty and crime. Buff will say that is proof that niggers are an inferior culture, but I say it is only proof of our failure. Had we indoctrinated them better, we wouldn't have had the problems we have with cities like Detroit and issues with affirmative action or any othe race issue you choose to discuss for that matter. Fuck, I am making it too complicated for you.

Gonna just boil it down.

Whitey created nation states in Africa, whitey left, incompetant hordes take control and try to run something they are completely unprepared to. So yeah, they are gonna have problems. And whether you like to believe it or not, not every country in Africa is a bunch of fly picking aids ridden infomercials.



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Are you out of your fucking mind.

You ever heard of Jim Crow? Yeah, it was great to be black and in Alabama between 1865 and 1960s.

http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/home.htm

Segregated schools, water fountains, and shit like that ring a bell?



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It's on the internet - now you have to follow through! Be warned, Serge has VERY sharp teeth and tends to have a problem with lockjaw. But hey, you were smart enough to get yours first..... :P
Peaches, you just confirmed what I posted above!
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How about we get Surge and Fred together?

Now that it something I'd pay to see.

Chain Surge up and give Fred six boxes of mushrooms and a weeks supply of viagra.
freds, shmeds....I just mentioned my cock and you quazi itellectual drug addicts got all excited...
wanna sniff my ass too?
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