How fucking sad is today's webmaster

[NickJ]

Wow, 1997 or even 1996. That is a long time ago even for me. Almost like another world. Someone mentioned that today newbies are content with making an extra 100 bucks a month and I think there are a lot of that.

About the bandwidth. Correct me if I am wrong but to download half a gig of content costs about 30 cents. Forget about spikes at the 95th percentile because at large usage numbers you can get flat fees for bandwidth used. I mentioned this before that I could sell a video for one dollar and still make profit regardless of bandwidth costs. Ask any webmaster here, "where does most of the bandwidth costs come from" and I bet they will answer from the front end where you get hits from surfers who will never ever join your site. It is not becuase the design or the content are no good but becuase they don't want anything to do with the Membership - subscription recurr at higher rate billing method. But, if you give them a one time small charge one time access way of getting off they won't be hitting your front end endlessly bleeding you dry. This is what I found in trial runs. Can you shoot holes in this??

[Red]

This thread has been a great read.
Welcome to Oprano NickJ.

I gave you 10 points for a thought provoking entrance.

[Osiris]

I was just reading somewhere else where a newbie was asking a program owner to mail him links to all their "free promotional materials". Content, Hosted Sites/Gals etc..


Lazy ass fucks..


Sin, you're participating, is it making you think? It should. Now get your ass to work on what I showed you before I have to fondle all your naughty bits..

[Sin]

Originally Posted by Osiris

Sin, you're participating, is it making you think? It should. Now get your ass to work on what I showed you before I have to fondle all your naughty bits..

It is making me think, its making me think a lot & driving everybody else who is within vocal vicinity, crazy lol



Thank you again, Osiris, for showing me this board

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Osiris

Lazy ass fucks..

They are!

... But R-n bless those lazy ass fucks!!!

* wibble *

[PornoDoggy]

There have been a few interesting comments in this thread.

You have to dig through the "I walked two miles to school barefoot in the snow uphill both ways when I was a kid" crap to find them.

The poser comments are the ones that crack me up, though.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Osiris

I was just reading somewhere else where a newbie was asking a program owner to mail him links to all their "free promotional materials". Content, Hosted Sites/Gals etc..


Lazy ass fucks..


Sin, you're participating, is it making you think? It should. Now get your ass to work on what I showed you before I have to fondle all your naughty bits..

I hear that is actually the norm...seriously

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I hear that is actually the norm...seriously

It is.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Biggy

2000 was 6 years ago... 1998 was 8 years ago, and 1996 was 10 years ago.

Comparisons are getting old, the way it is.. is the way it is. It's so easy to get in this industry now, you are going to have people happy to make $100 a month. My guess is a lot of these people are super young and have never made real money in their lives.

Again I agree...

We used to say a week was a long time on the web , with things moving so quick.

8 years is fucking forever...

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I hear that is actually the norm...seriously

Yes it is. Being a program owner, albeit a small one. People want every goddamn thing handed to them. May as well just send them checks as soon as they sign-up to promote you with attitudes like that.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Anyway the surfers in the end decided whose was best...

It won "Best Amateur site as voted on by Surfers" at Internext...

Oh yeah...but then I suppose we did get a million or so more vistors a month....

;-)))

Yep, you did in the "Best Free Amateur Site" category, but remember that Carol Cox won for both the "Best Pay Amateur Site" and "Hottest Net Star" that same year.

Carol was the number 2 woman based site on the 'net back then as per all the research Danni Ashe did ... http://billiondownloadwoman.com/pop.html

Anyway, It wasn't about the visitors, it was about the money!

[PornoDoggy]

So ... have we figured out who's dick was the biggest in '97?

In addition to "old folks bitching about how young people don't have it as rough as they did," this thread reminds me of sports franchise owners lamenting player salaries.

The same franchise owner wailing that lament will then sign a player for a salary 10% higher than has ever been paid before.

The only reason that some newbies expect program owners to do everything but wipe their asses is because some of them will do so.

If you put the candy in the bowl, don't yell at the kid not to eat it.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

Yep, you did in the "Best Free Amateur Site" category, but remember that Carol Cox won for both the "Best Pay Amateur Site" and "Hottest Net Star" that same year.

Carol was the number 2 woman based site on the 'net back then as per all the research Danni Ashe did ... http://billiondownloadwoman.com/pop.html

Anyway, It wasn't about the visitors, it was about the money!

I was just messing with ya... ;-)))

And you are right. Its ALWAYS about the money ;-))

PD , you are indeed very curmudgeonly this evening...excellent ..

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

It wasn't about the visitors, it was about the money!

Pearl.



Thank you Danny

That makes your "we all do this for just for fun becuase we love to be naked and show it all for you" clause so much less nauseating...


Sabby

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Osiris

Yes it is. Being a program owner, albeit a small one. People want every goddamn thing handed to them. May as well just send them checks as soon as they sign-up to promote you with attitudes like that.

hmmm try an new angle with your program..

"Promote us anyway you like ...go or it...send us traffic by any legal method and we will pay you ..Simplyrich.com" LOL

Ya never know...

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

Yep, you did in the "Best Free Amateur Site" category, but remember that Carol Cox won for both the "Best Pay Amateur Site" and "Hottest Net Star" that same year.

Carol was the number 2 woman based site on the 'net back then as per all the research Danni Ashe did ... http://billiondownloadwoman.com/pop.html

Anyway, It wasn't about the visitors, it was about the money!

One last jab after the bell...

Wouldn't it have been smart to have been nice and got me as an affiliate sending all that lovely traffic to your site? ;-))

in hindsight...ya know.

But I will grant you that on your site against ilynx.com made way more cash.Wayyyyyy more.

Ilynx was the one I had for show, I had another 1000 for dough...

;-)))

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

hmmm try an new angle with your program..

"Promote us anyway you like ...go or it...send us traffic by any legal method and we will pay you ..Simplyrich.com" LOL

Ya never know...

Hahaha!

[NickJ]

Originally Posted by Red

This thread has been a great read.
Welcome to Oprano NickJ.

I gave you 10 points for a thought provoking entrance.

Thanks Red, I really appreciate it. I also found this thread interesting and now entertaining too. Most of the time when I make a post like I did before I just get flamed and the idiots who don't make shit start posting pictures of animals in comprimising positions.

[Inabon]

Originally Posted by NickJ

Wow, 1997 or even 1996. That is a long time ago even for me. Almost like another world. Someone mentioned that today newbies are content with making an extra 100 bucks a month and I think there are a lot of that.

About the bandwidth. Correct me if I am wrong but to download half a gig of content costs about 30 cents. Forget about spikes at the 95th percentile because at large usage numbers you can get flat fees for bandwidth used. I mentioned this before that I could sell a video for one dollar and still make profit regardless of bandwidth costs. Ask any webmaster here, "where does most of the bandwidth costs come from" and I bet they will answer from the front end where you get hits from surfers who will never ever join your site. It is not becuase the design or the content are no good but becuase they don't want anything to do with the Membership - subscription recurr at higher rate billing method. But, if you give them a one time small charge one time access way of getting off they won't be hitting your front end endlessly bleeding you dry. This is what I found in trial runs. Can you shoot holes in this??

if you are going to be doing 30 cents profit per download and as in each download costs you 70cents. are you adding to this hardware expense?

160 gigs of storage is not as easy as 1 big 160 gig harddrive serving thousands of downloads.

your downloads will get slow. you need more hardware and storage and serving hardware is not inexpensive.

for example we host a live tv show that has archives 1 hour videos averaging 150 megabytes per program 5 day a week program. 1 year of storage is 40 gigabytes. the program archives got popular so the harddrive started to slow down serving, so i had to split it in to another harddrive (the easy way is put 20 and 20 per drive) but if you want to do largescale downloading you can't be splitting you have to load balance and those are additional expenses. so if i have a 300 gygabyte box i have to have a second 300 gygabyte box with the same content on each so i can load balance i mean this is to give the user a very decent download 150 to 200 kbps. cause 34 to 64 kbps won't fly specially with adsl becoming popular. panama has more adsl than dial up as a matter of fact next year there won't be any dial up.

i am just trying to see the upside of $2.00 download this is not a 150k manual to get rich this is downloading video.

[NickJ]

You are obviously more adept in hardware and NOC operations than I am. I do agree with you about the 30 cents per user cost. If there is a 2 dollar charge that leaves 1.70. Take out the merchant account costs of another approx 30 cents you have 1.40. If I got the sale from an affiliate that leaves just 70 cents each. Not a whole lot of money unless of course the conversion rate is 1000 times what would be standard for a subscription model site. And this point has yet to be proven or not except in theory. Also the sale price could be higer than 2.00, maybe 2.99, or 3.50. Who knows? I am not G_d. Just some shmuck with an idea. And maybe it won't work as an affiliate model. Fine, go it alone then. Less trouble. Less scammer and less work.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by NickJ

You are obviously more adept in hardware and NOC operations than I am.

This is without a doubt, because he owns a hosting business.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Plus...the average newbie inour day did not do very good.

We remember the ones that did well at it.Like us.And the ones who just won't leave and get a real job , like Dravyk ;-)))

Yup. Almost every day someone new would show up and post "I am going to be the next Persian Kitty". What happened to all those people? Those burghers went back to burgers.

[Almighty Colin]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Amen brother.

Dumbest thing I ever did was tell Meat the "avs trick".

Might just have well have told Reuters.

Now I play my cards closer to my chest....

Different time....

Plus to be honest the old influx of webmasters were a nicer better bunch.The new ones are wiggas or dopey stupid twats who think they can make a fortune from this business but just really don't have a clue.

Fun watching though

I was dumber than that. I published an article in Klixxx back in 2000 or so on something I was doing assuming that the pool was large enough that the influx wouldn't cannibalize my existing business. Wrong!

[Almighty Colin]

Originally Posted by PornoDoggy

So ... have we figured out who's dick was the biggest in '97?

Ron had a very big dick in 97

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by NickJ

Thanks Red, I really appreciate it. I also found this thread interesting and now entertaining too. Most of the time when I make a post like I did before I just get flamed and the idiots who don't make shit start posting pictures of animals in comprimising positions.

OT comment, if this thread can be said to have such a thing:
NickJ...don't attend boards that respond to posts with pictures of animals in compromising positions. It's bad for you and bad for the animals.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

Ron had a very big dick in 97

He was a huge dick in 97.

[Inabon]

well nickj i see you are going for your business model however like i told you before it is pretty slow lots of buffering.

what kind of bandwidth are you burining on previews alone?

[MikeFold]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

One last jab after the bell...


Ilynx was the one I had for show, I had another 1000 for dough...

;-)))

hmmm...I wonder who used this analogy a few times during seminars..

...let me think...

[Mike AI]

This thread has some very ironic posts. Lot of people still blowing smoke.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Mike AI

This thread has some very ironic posts. Lot of people still blowing smoke.

Here, have a fan.

[MikeFold]

...still thinking.....




----denny crane------


i may have mad cow disease, but i smell the smoke AI
(o;

[*KK*]

Oh man, one of my favorite shows ever!!!

NickJ, not to completely set your now burst balloon on fire, but I'd suggest you rethink your business model.

The first reason that people go with a CCBill or Paycom is because they have no history in processing, they don't want or can't afford to pay the application fees, the upfront reserves (that one without history will likely encounter) nor can they make the volume commitment that the majority of acquiring banks require in order to issue MIDs and TIDs. They also have no idea how to handle customer service or what to do when they get a retrieval or a chargeback notice.

Then of course there is the processing discount rate, which in high risk is generally around 4.5-7%, based on volume (and to get 4.5 you'd better either have a really old account or be doing some really good volume, as in 7 figures a month plus), plus the per transaction rate, which runs anywhere from .45 to .80 per transaction, depending upon what region you settle your transactions. Let's not forget your declines, that run you between .10 - .25 each...

Now, with your own merchant account, you also pay for retrievals, generally around 15-20 dollars each, chargebacks at around 25-35 dollars each, and you'll need customer service, which even outsourced is still going to cost you in the neighborhood of .75 to 1 dollar per instance.

One chargeback on your $2 sale model will cost you a minimum of $18 IF you are doing a high volume and have the best of all rates going and you don't attempt to fight the chargeback, which will cost you time and money in having someone actually attempt to prove that a non-signature charge of $2 isn't your fault.

Just some food for mad cow disease...

Originally Posted by MikeFold

...still thinking.....




----denny crane------


i may have mad cow disease, but i smell the smoke AI
(o;