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Originally posted by Timon@Jun 15 2003, 05:22 AM If any new candidate is going to beat Bush I think his strongest selling point is going to be charisma, good speaking skills and the ability to give a good spin on whatever his agenda is.
To win over the masses it's not what you're selling that's important, it's how you sell it ;-)
I'm telling ya...... watch that Cinton piece at C-Span!! Like him or hate him the guy is a very interesting speaker and he nails it right on the head when asked about the 2004 election. He basically gives an answer for what a politician in any election needs to do to beat their opponent and it's an awesome response.
Dems and Repubs alike say he is a politcal master. I am not sure we can pull it off in 2004, but I am hoping.
Glad that Carville's wife is gone from the white house, or is going. Mabey James will work for 1 of the canidates.
I have always loved and respected that guy. he might have that Southern drawl to him, but he is a master in his own right. oh and belive me when I say he loves the good fight!!!!
MattK,
I know it's unfortunate,
but I have no clue about your solvency, and therefore,
escrow is mandatory.
are you gambling with your last 30k?
you shouldn't, son.
being a good guy,
I'll save you some money and give you FREE advice.
Behind EVERY stock market rally,
was invention drastically changing people's lives.
Railroads,
automobiles,
computers,
internet and now, for the first time,
company after company reports they found the cure for CANCER.
I beleive that we are in the "compuserve" stages of the "internet boom" with biotech.
Hopes and cures will fuel the new bull market and shorting the market might prove futile.
I also have a vested interes in your finances,
if you lose your last 30k,
my chances of collecting will be greatly diminished
;-)))
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 15 2003, 03:15 PM MattK,
I know it's unfortunate,
but I have no clue about your solvency, and therefore,
escrow is mandatory.
are you gambling with your last 30k?
you shouldn't, son.
being a good guy,
I'll save you some money and give you FREE advice.
Behind EVERY stock market rally,
was invention drastically changing people's lives.
Railroads,
automobiles,
computers,
internet and now, for the first time,
company after company reports they found the cure for CANCER.
I beleive that we are in the "compuserve" stages of the "internet boom" with biotech.
Hopes and cures will fuel the new bull market and shorting the market might prove futile.
I also have a vested interes in your finances,
if you lose your last 30k,
my chances of collecting will be greatly diminished
;-)))
ok we can compromise and do the escrow some months before the election or at the start of 2004.
I'm a little confused, am I betting you for 30K AND MikeAI for 30K? if you both want to bet I'd rather keep it at 20K each.
we should just bet on where the dow and nasdaq will be 6 months from now. I say below 7000 and below 1200. any takers
Originally posted by MattK@Jun 15 2003, 03:38 PM
we should just bet on where the dow and nasdaq will be 6 months from now. I say below 7000 and below 1200. any takers
this is a very large decline from current levels so I would want 2 to 1 odds on this bet.
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 15 2003, 06:37 PM MattK,
I noticed that you raise the bar,
like most liberals do,
'till I finaly say:
Fuck it, enough,
I've had it"
can you, liberals stick to somethign and STAY with it????
I'm not a liberal
ok well if there is no escrow issue we could bet now. Otherwise we will have to wait till some time in 2004. so we wait
if I had an extra 100,000 I would say it is an excellent wager for the markets declining big time over the next 1.5 years and Bush not winning the election.
if I had an extra 100,000 I would say it is an excellent wager for the markets declining big time over the next 1.5 years and Bush not winning the election.
do you know WHY I have $100,000 and you don't?
there is only ONE reason:
I don't piss away money on
bets on the markets, elections, etc
I only do the sure things
;-))))
...and finding cure for cancer is a SURE THING in not to distant future,
the train already left the station.
As for taking "critical week" in the week of tripple witching,
is somewhere childish, can go 300 points either way depending on options/futures relations...
for pasterity:
this was the post MattK posted before he edited it and the post I responded:
"Don't you have some good nyc connections from your days promoting high society and that whole "your credit card will not be billed" thing?
Porn site owners charged with billing for free services
If I lost the bet and did not pay you could get some big guys to come over and take care of it, so then I would have to pay up Thus no escrow account would be required "
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 15 2003, 07:30 PM and to quote my favorit charecter to sum it all:
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son"
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 15 2003, 07:30 PM and to quote my favorit charecter to sum it all:
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son"
Great flick.
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 15 2003, 07:30 PM
as for "connections to collect the debts",
one thing I learned,
you can't collect NADA from those who don't have it
;-(((
HAHAHA you'd be amazed how much you can collect if you're convincing enough ;-))
Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Jun 15 2003, 01:23 PM
I'm telling ya...... watch that Cinton piece at C-Span!! Like him or hate him the guy is a very interesting speaker and he nails it right on the head when asked about the 2004 election. He basically gives an answer for what a politician in any election needs to do to beat their opponent and it's an awesome response.
I went to go see it but it's 1 hr 50 min, a bit too long for a streaming video clip ;-(
But you're right about Clinton, he's an extremely good speaker and always comes across as if he really knows what he's talking about, always nails it right on the head. The same goes for James Rubin who is simply brilliant at giving press conferences.
Bush is the exact opposite, he comes across as if he is reciting someone elses speaches, poorly, and if he get's asked a question he wasn't expecting he starts stuttering and forgets what he was trying to say halfway through a sentence. Doesn't neccesarily mean he's stupid but it does make him look stupid. It's a definite weakness for a presidential candidate.
I think if the democrats can put forward a candidate with the charisma and speaking skills of Bill Clinton or James Rubin he may just win over that portion of voters that is not overly loyal to democrats or republicans and just votes for the president they like best.
IMHO the election between Gore and Bush was such a close call, Gore would have won if the American people wouldn't have been so disgusted by the Lewinsky affair. Now that the Lewinsky case is history and the current republican president is lacking the needed verbal skills I think it is quite likely the democrats will win the next election. If I were a betting man my money would be on the democrats for the next election.
But what do I know, I'm just a stupid foreigner ;-)
Our political system is nothing more than a Hollywood production these days. All flash and very little substance. From scripted press conferances with a lapdog media to stagecraft for any and all speeches. The debates between candidates, while very interesting, are so rigidly structured that it practically all comes down to personality.
Both parties practice it but these days every time I hear about how Bush is such a "genuine" and "regular" guy I just about die laughing.
Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Jun 16 2003, 02:03 AM
Both parties practice it but these days every time I hear about how Bush is such a "genuine" and "regular" guy I just about die laughing.
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jun 15 2003, 03:15 PM
internet and now, for the first time,
company after company reports they found the cure for CANCER.
I beleive that we are in the "compuserve" stages of the "internet boom" with biotech.
Hopes and cures will fuel the new bull market and shorting the market might prove futile.
Go ahead and put all your $ in biotech and tech. stocks, that is another bubble waiting to blow up. Along with anything to do with the housing market.
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Originally posted by wig@Jun 17 2003, 02:29 PM Hey Matt,
What's your methodology? What do you trade?
just curious
For individual stock trades and shorts I use Etrade. For shorting a particular index I use Pro Funds they have some bear funds like "Ultra Short OTC" which tries to be 200% the inverse of the nasdaq 100 on a daily basis. For example on monday the nasdaq 100 closed up 3.2% so the fund was down 6.4%. Profunds also has bull funds and sector funds, and they make it easy to play a section of the market up. They have a bio-tech sector fund for example.
As far as methodology I read some investment newsletters about market timing and do my own research. A good book to read about why there will likely be a major decline in the markets and economy over the next few years is Conquer the Crash. An excellent book I read about getting started in investing on your own without using a broker is "No Bull Investing: Straightforward Advice to Maximize your Returns in Any Market, with Any Amount of Money" by Jake Bernstein.
Originally posted by wig@Jun 17 2003, 03:16 PM
Do you practice Elliott Wave?
I know Bob Prechter personally and one of my partners of about ten years ago was his broker.
He was long metals and short the stock indexes as far back as 1994. He has written many books along the way, all predicting the "tidal wave" crash.
Yeah I read some of their stuff, but that is not the only technical analysis I use. They were bearish during most of the late 90s so they missed the market top by 6 years or so. They have had a much better track record since 2001 however, and they are one of the top newsletters I read (I only started reading them about 2 years ago). Bob Prechter is not their only author but I suppose he still is the main guy doing Elliot Wave analysis.
Elliott Wave is very subjective, but used with other indicators to filter signals I still find it a very valuable tool for trying to understand what phase a market is in.
yeah, it seems they can always make the theory work AFTER the markets get to certain levels, but making the prediction before things happen is more of a "probable scenarios" situation. The theory behind it regarding the brain's herding impulse is pretty interesting.
06-15-2003
From scripted press conferances with a lapdog media to stagecraft for any and all speeches. The debates between candidates, while very interesting, are so rigidly structured that it practically all comes down to personality.
. Don't know a lot about him though.
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