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Old 02-27-2004   #51
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I am far from flip-flopping. I will still support Bush. I will donate money and will vote for him. However his reelection chances are not looking too good right now.

He has done some things that I do not like - Carrie listed them above. I am not concerned about the God thing like Serge, it does not bother me at all.

My #1 issue is National Security, fighting Islamic Terrorism - this is something that will continue probably for my lifetime. I do not trust most Democrats to do the right thing. Turning our problems over to the UN will just make them worse.
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flipfloppers, a year ago your were balls deep on Bush cock.
making more educated decisions as more information becomes available is hardly "flip flopping". as you learn, you adapt and change and modify your views accordingly... otherwise, whats the point of learning?... education is everywhere... not just in college and it's more than just a crazy scheme to allow yourself to make the claim that your brighter than everyone though you have significantly less life experience to back that up.
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My #1 issue is National Security, fighting Islamic Terrorism - this is something that will continue probably for my lifetime. I do not trust most Democrats to do the right thing. Turning our problems over to the UN will just make them worse.
yeah!
Stalin made it his life time prophecy to fight the enemy which was no longer their...
fighting with Trotskists 20 years after Trotsky's death killing his own people in the name of this struggle...


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I have been a republician my whole life, as probably most business people are..... but, Bush just scares me. I have trouble remembering that he IS a republician. He seems to be on a mission like he has special insight from God. That is dangerous.... He forgets that we are his boss. I certainly would not vote for him, but I am not sold on Kerry either. Wish we had better choices! At this point in time - I would vote for Gore hahahaha...
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I have been a republician my whole life, as probably most business people are..... but, Bush just scares me. I have trouble remembering that he IS a republician. He seems to be on a mission like he has special insight from God. That is dangerous.... He forgets that we are his boss. I certainly would not vote for him, but I am not sold on Kerry either. Wish we had better choices! At this point in time - I would vote for Gore hahahaha...
I would agree with this post all the way up to the Gore part LOL
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Serge, you do tend to switch back and forth on issues....
his stance is the most consistent of anyone here.

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Well, Mike, I will agree with you that comparing Bush to Stalin is more than a stretch than even I would go (antikee-rist will suffice). I'm not convinced that Serge is actually doing that ... but what Stalin was good at doing is trumping up charges against his enemies to justify his action.

And about those WMDs that the Iraqis were ready to deploy in 45 minutes, or the urnanium that they were trying to buy ...

Not everyone shares your, ahem, sophisticated and superior understanding of real politic. There are an awful lot of people out there who are really pissed off at the abscense of beef in that sammich.
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Serge, you do tend to switch back and forth on issues....

let me remind you that when MY President was charged with exactly THE SAME thing during the last elections,
his answer was:
"Yes, I do, it's called LEARNING"
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If you have a problem with me LEARNING from OUR President-
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The Stalin reference carries NO weight at all.
PD read the reference correctly-
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page views my ass!

I am about to vote Democrats the second time in my life (never in Presidential Elections, though)
it's a PERSONAL DRAMA and all you can think of is business???

c'mon!
you're right. sorry for not being sensitive to your feelings in these trying times. my bad.

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Serge, I understand Bush has dropped the ball. But there is no way Kerry would be any better.

Lesser of 2 morons again?
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I don't know which one is lesser...and this is why my soul is in turmoil.
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Serge, I understand Bush has dropped the ball. But there is no way Kerry would be any better.

Lesser of 2 morons again?
I just want to bounce back toward the middle for a few years.
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I think Bush is Jesus.
That makes Bush Sr. God.

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Well, I see it as a choice:

1) Hyperinflation, but lower taxation

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That's why I vote Libertarian.
What's the mathematical term for "wasted vote"? Fuck that, what's the psychological term?
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Please remember if you vote you don't have a right to complain

Either your idiot gets elected which means you have no right to complain or

your idiot didn't get elected which is even worse, you didn't work hard enough and you should be ashamed and you really have no right to complain

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A little more about the so-called fiscal responsibility of the Republicans - they refused to allow the government to negotiate price discounts for medication purchased under the new Medicare prescription bill.

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A little more about the so-called fiscal responsibility of the Republicans - they refused to allow the government to negotiate price discounts for medication purchased under the new Medicare prescription bill.

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Given a choice, I'd rather have Serge and Mike pay now, instead of shoving the bill off on my Grandson.
Easily said when YOU don't pay any significant taxes anyway...

I wonder how many people would change their party affiliation when they have seven figures to worry about...

(Note that I don't even have four figures...)
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Hmmmm ... the deficit is how much right now? And how much of that is due to the tax suspensions?

So it boils down to tax and spend, or don't tax and spend anyway.

Given a choice, I'd rather have Serge and Mike pay now, instead of shoving the bill off on my Grandson.
I see it as we traded some debt for some peace of mind. How bad would the US economy have been last year without tax cuts and increased government spending? I think it would have been painful and a lot more people would have been out of work.

Since debt/GDP ratio has been higher in the recent past (and much higher during WW II), I think we have plenty of breathing room.

On a percentage basis, these are not record deficits. Not even close. 30%+ during WW II. They were actually higher (by 33%) in 1983 than today. When your economy is $11 trillion (!) and your economic policy is to spend to get out of recessions you're going to record deficits on a strict dollar by dollar comparison all the time.
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It was funny listening to Rush Limbaugh on the radio today because he was ranting about how the liberals wanted to regulate the airwaves now after the janet Jackson thing. I mean excuse me, you guys go on for years about how the liberals are at fault for all of this and now it's them who are driving this push to regulate cable and satelitte as well as broadcast networks?

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BTW- I am not a Kerry fan by any stretch of the imagination. My hope is that Edwards wins enougn primaries that kerry will be unable to get enough delegates to outright claim the nomination and they end up having a battle at the convention. I hope he could just outright overtake him but that is not likely to happen. Should Kerry gain the nomination I will vote third party or for Edwards as a write-in candidate.
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That anyone would take him seriously about that is scary beyond belief.
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