Is it time to make the move to 3d?

[softball]

It might be time to produce your content in 3d hd with cameras like this.

[tony404]

They dont care about hd and i think they dont care about 3d . They want porn thats hot and doesnt look like they are just there to Pay the rent.

[Affiliater]

Imo stereoscopic porn will be very popular soon, the move is just a matter of time.

[Toby]

I agree with Tony. It's just another gimmick, might be useful as a novelty promo tool but not a major selling point for a whole site.

[softball]

This reminds me of the conversations I had ten year ago when everyone said I was nuts to spend 10 grand on an HD camera. Well, I have ten years of product, thousands of videos, with legs in HD when my competition is playing catch up with their 4 X 3 stuff being junk. You see, this camera shoots 2d 1920 and if your monitor can display it...3d. Nothing to lose. I think I am going to jump on this bandwagon. Anyone want to buy a Sony Z7U?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

I agree with Tony. It's just another gimmick, might be useful as a novelty promo tool but not a major selling point for a whole site.

I respectfully disagree.

[Hell Puppy]

As for HD I dont know if users really notice the difference between 720 and 1080. But I do know that most want to be able to fill their screen at whatever resolution they are running. So it needs to be still looking sharp at high-res or they do notice.

With increasingly sharper screens coming out in all form factors, shooting at 1080p is a good idea if you wanna use that same content for a few years.

3D is an upsell gimmick with mainstream movies at the cinema. 3D is also big with kids movies, and I think that will account for most of the home 3D sales for now. There's the occasional movie where 3D is a part of the story or used for immersion (i.e. Avatar and Tron Legacy), but for the most part it's a gimmick.

It would be a novelty in porn at this point unless you're creative enough to use it to add something to the overall experience.

[softball]

My thought is, that it is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

[tony404]

I belong to bunch of mainstream videographer boards. They were talking about how 80 percent of their clients still want sd. Its cheaper to shoot and we live in a youtube age where hd quality isnt important. If your members are like why isnt this hd? Then your not shooting hotter enough content. Its a gimmick for the most part to sell more electronics. Go into a blockbuster or red box if hd was so hot. There would be no sd dvd's when thats what the bulk are and blue ray didnt just come out yesterday. on net flix a large chunk are not hd. IF you like to use it great but its not the end all be all.

[Toby]

The difference between HD and 3D is that content shot in HD can still be presented at lower resolutions. 3D content can't be shown in non-3d, so you'd either have to shoot with two cameras, or shoot two separate versions.

[softball]

A dedicated switch allows for easy switching from recording 2D to 3D, whether you're recording or playing back video. In 3D mode, only 3D content will be displayed for playback, however when in 2D mode, all content will be displayed and played back in 2D. This allows you to record all your video in 3D and choose later whether or not you want to playback in 2D or 3D

Its not perfect, but I have been talking to a few people in the biz, and there are some prosumer models coming after NAB. So, it looks like something is happening that might be useful.

[Forest]

im on my way to serbia now to meet and possibly invest in a 3d animation company. this is the future not 3-d movies imho.

i may use it for adult because no one does it any good in adult, but more the mainstream side. commercials, tv shows, movies, teaching tools ect ect

[Forest]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

My thought is, that it is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

look at how well 3d tv's have been selling. that should answer the question

[softball]

Originally Posted by Forest

look at how well 3d tv's have been selling. that should answer the question

Its not the tv's that piqued my interest, its the computer screens. Portable 3d gaming is arriving next month and small screen 3d for close up viewing is now possible and that is where most of product is watched. Not on the 60 inch home theatres.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Its not the tv's that piqued my interest, its the computer screens. Portable 3d gaming is arriving next month and small screen 3d for close up viewing is now possible and that is where most of product is watched. Not on the 60 inch home theatres.

the reference was more towards the sales aspect of the medium. tv's aint selling. while 3d gaming may be a hit i see 3d porn being about as popular as the 3d tv and content they had planned to push on them

just my 2cents of course

[bluemoney]

I can take 3D in very short periods but after a while I get a headache. That's why I never go to see movies in 3D.

[DannyCox]

I also never watch anything in 3D. It's fine for those Disney World 10 minute videos, but anything longer just annoys me. A good friend of mine owns a high end electronics store and the 3D TV's just aren't selling. Sony and Panasonic are selling them to dealers at well below cost to try and move them to pump the sales numbers.

I can't say a word about 3D gaming as my last gaming experience was with my Atari and Colecovision!

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

I can't say a word about 3D gaming as my last gaming experience was with my Atari and Colecovision!

My last 3D Gaming experience!

[Jim_Gunn]

I shoot a lot of porn and no one is asking me to shoot in 3D. I know a few producers do, but I haven't. I don't think it will ever be more than a niche market. In the time I would mess around with shooting and editing a 3D movie I could shoot and edit five HD movies. HD vs SD however is another story. Not only has HD become the standard acquisition format nowadays, but clients now even know the difference between HDV and the higher end full raster HD cameras. Even if one releases a movie on a standard definition DVD it will look much better if it was shot in HD. Anyone still shooting in SD now is foolish that great HDV or HD cameras are so inexpensive.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

I shoot a lot of porn and no one is asking me to shoot in 3D. I know a few producers do, but I haven't. I don't think it will ever be more than a niche market. In the time I would mess around with shooting and editing a 3D movie I could shoot and edit five HD movies. HD vs SD however is another story. Not only has HD become the standard acquisition format nowadays, but clients now even know the difference between HDV and the higher end full raster HD cameras. Even if one releases a movie on a standard definition DVD it will look much better if it was shot in HD. Anyone still shooting in SD now is foolish that great HDV or HD cameras are so inexpensive.

anyone that has been shooting 4 by 3 in the last ten years missed the boat. I shoot a lot of porn, but I don't have clients, so I only have my instincts to guide me. Still not 100% about 3D, but I am curious what will be launched after NAB. I am just not kicking it to the curb.
You know what they are going to call HD in a couple of years?






TV.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

This reminds me of the conversations I had ten year ago when everyone said I was nuts to spend 10 grand on an HD camera. Well, I have ten years of product, thousands of videos, with legs in HD when my competition is playing catch up with their 4 X 3 stuff being junk. You see, this camera shoots 2d 1920 and if your monitor can display it...3d. Nothing to lose. I think I am going to jump on this bandwagon. Anyone want to buy a Sony Z7U?

I can't tell you, how much it pains me, to agree with you......

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by bluemoney

My last 3D Gaming experience!

Yea, but you STILL want to play with it, don't you?
It's Ok, everybody else does, too.

Rub them little feets!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ......!

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

anyone that has been shooting 4 by 3 in the last ten years missed the boat. I shoot a lot of porn, but I don't have clients, so I only have my instincts to guide me. Still not 100% about 3D, but I am curious what will be launched after NAB. I am just not kicking it to the curb.
You know what they are going to call HD in a couple of years?






TV.

in the last ten yrs? thats 2001, you had an hd camera before the prosumer ones even came out?
Well my friend works for mainstream TV not porn where anyone with a camera can shoot. And he only added an hd cam 2 yrs ago, he had no call for it. He still uses the sd cam a now and then.
Again I will add if you think the format sells porn your kidding yourself.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by bluemoney

I can take 3D in very short periods but after a while I get a headache. That's why I never go to see movies in 3D.

Originally Posted by DannyCox

I also never watch anything in 3D. It's fine for those Disney World 10 minute videos, but anything longer just annoys me. A good friend of mine owns a high end electronics store and the 3D TV's just aren't selling. Sony and Panasonic are selling them to dealers at well below cost to try and move them to pump the sales numbers.

I can't say a word about 3D gaming as my last gaming experience was with my Atari and Colecovision!

While I think there are many reasons 3D is a contender - there are also physiological reasons that it is still problematic, chief among them that the human eye/ mind doesn't parse flat ---> well, resulting in that headache Blue mentions.

I love the idea, and I think there are times it can be very well done (I've seen some really nice anaglyph, actually) - but first, we have to overcome the technological shortcomings of the human body.

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

in the last ten yrs? thats 2001, you had an hd camera before the prosumer ones even came out?
Well my friend works for mainstream TV not porn where anyone with a camera can shoot. And he only added an hd cam 2 yrs ago, he had no call for it. He still uses the sd cam a now and then.
Again I will add if you think the format sells porn your kidding yourself.

I did have an hd camera before the release of the first prosumer because I was in the tv business and well connected....2003. But I was playing with various broadcast cameras before then. I owned Sony Betacams and Ikegamis for years before I got into using home video cameras for porn. Before I had the FX1, I also had a pd150 which would at least shoot wide screen. Maybe I got my year wrong, but all of my videos since then (thousands) are all hd.
Your friend only got an hd cam a couple of years ago because he had no call for it? Well, his clients are all sucking wind now with their old fashioned looking footage. 4 x 3 looks like black and white when colour took over. The HD component of this discussion was settled years ago and still people argue over it. Sigh.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I did have an hd camera before the release of the first prosumer because I was in the tv business and well connected....2003. But I was playing with various broadcast cameras before then. I owned Sony Betacams and Ikegamis for years before I got into using home video cameras for porn. Before I had the FX1, I also had a pd150 which would at least shoot wide screen. Maybe I got my year wrong, but all of my videos since then (thousands) are all hd.
Your friend only got an hd cam a couple of years ago because he had no call for it? Well, his clients are all sucking wind now with their old fashioned looking footage. 4 x 3 looks like black and white when colour took over. The HD component of this discussion was settled years ago and still people argue over it. Sigh.

I used to think no one would want to see bleached assholes in high def but I was wrong.

Mike South and you were both right..people want to see this shit on their TV.

Large screen TVs are going to drive the demand or lack of it for 3D.

I got my eye on a G Slate coming out later this month. Its an android tablet and it comes with a simple 3d type camera.

And I have to say its threads like this that make me want to keep the board up and running as there is discussion and disagreement by people that really know what they are talking about.

Refreshing when I have to read about someones dog watching them blow a load or some idiot asking you to poste a picture of your cell phone.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I did have an hd camera before the release of the first prosumer because I was in the tv business and well connected....2003. But I was playing with various broadcast cameras before then. I owned Sony Betacams and Ikegamis for years before I got into using home video cameras for porn. Before I had the FX1, I also had a pd150 which would at least shoot wide screen. Maybe I got my year wrong, but all of my videos since then (thousands) are all hd.
Your friend only got an hd cam a couple of years ago because he had no call for it? Well, his clients are all sucking wind now with their old fashioned looking footage. 4 x 3 looks like black and white when colour took over. The HD component of this discussion was settled years ago and still people argue over it. Sigh.

I dont think fox tv or the weather channel or the travel channel or playboy tv or his industrial clients have problem with it. Also your shooting porn not citizen kane. Like in 20 yrs people are going to have this dying need for the porn content you have been shooting so better future proof it. if it makes you happy go for it but hotness sells porn not format.

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

I dont think fox tv or the weather channel or the travel channel or playboy tv or his industrial clients have problem with it. Also your shooting porn not citizen kane. Like in 20 yrs people are going to have this dying need for the porn content you have been shooting so better future proof it. if it makes you happy go for it but hotness sells porn not format.

I heard all this before about HD. Let me tell you a story. Five years ago I shot a site in HD. I did the whole thing in a month. Three months later it was paid for. That site is still updating and its only expenses are bandwidth. It will probably last another five years repurposed. Now, its not exactly the duration of Citizen Kane, but it has made me a shitpot of money. Had I shot 4 X 3 like everyone back then said was all that was needed, I would be in the shitcan with that site and it would have been a costly error.
Those broadcast channels are on a whole other playing field. They are large screen formats and I will bet you there are production companies out there that supply those channels that are covering their asses and shooting 3d but you might not see it for years. A lot of broadcast "experts" fucked up by not shooting at least 16 X 9.
Not everyone is on the ball.
BTW, I haven't committed to this yet, but the clock may be ticking.
Tony, what sites do you film for?

[tony404]

I just sweep the floors here at oprano dont shoot anything. Gonzo we are out of toilet paper.

[Toby]

I just don't see anything telling me that 3D is a game changer. It may be useful as a tool for creating some additional interest, but it's never going to be a make or break factor.

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

I just sweep the floors here at oprano dont shoot anything. Gonzo we are out of toilet paper.

Oh, I thought you took pictures.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Oh, I thought you took pictures.

I shoot video and pictures for my wifes sites. Been doing it for over ten yrs. Im a better photographer than videographer. I prefer to capture moments but the mortgage has to be paid.
I saw that when I would shoot something for her solo site.It would get no reaction but she would be really horny and do a clip on a web cam and they would flip out about it.
I read an article how youtube showed its not the image quality but the quality of the content that mattered. Plus hearing the stories from my friend who is a mainstream guy.
I remember years ago videography magazine had a seminar series and it included the one chip hd jvc that came out at the time. It was one of the first of its kind and I found the image boring. As I have on all of them until the sony ex 3 came out but I wont spend that money on a cam anymore. I dont see porn as a long term path anymore
The dslr hd vids I have seen that made me go wow. Im playing with that now(60D). But I will never put up full hd scenes. Because I think the bbw market you tend to get older guys joining so they dont have the latest and the greatest. Dealing with support questions like why doesnt the videos work ? We ask tell us alittle about your system and they are on windows 3.1 or Im on web tv and its not working. Im adding a streaming feature because some have asked for it but I see the nightmare support question already. lol

[MikeSouth]

I knew HD was going to be big, that was obvious, SD was a 50 year old format, it was very sharp and it was past due to be replaced.

3D OTOH is a gimmick that comes around every 20 years or so, usually as a result of a popular mainstream movie, it gets hyped as the next big thing in video and then it promptly dies. I don't see that changing really. The 3D TVs I have seen are more annoying than anything else.

I expect the real next game changer will be UHD and wall sized TV screens that are about a quarter of an inch thick and weigh less than cardboard, the tuner will be separate the screen itself will be cheap and easily connected at any size.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

I just sweep the floors here at oprano dont shoot anything. Gonzo we are out of toilet paper.

Ill let Woogie know. Hes doing clean up on aisle 5.

[MikeSouth]

fuck...wasnt very sharp.....

[softball]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...#ixzz1FLoI3Qf0

[tony404]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...#ixzz1FLoI3Qf0

yep no one watches their stuff so they are going with a gimmick. I have never had a member request 3d or hd. In fact we got our first request for streaming so we are now updating with that. I got alot of encoding to do. lol

[softball]

Originally Posted by tony404

yep no one watches their stuff so they are going with a gimmick. I have never had a member request 3d or hd. In fact we got our first request for streaming so we are now updating with that. I got alot of encoding to do. lol

Not sure if it will be 3d, but I think it is better to either offer a new system or have it ready to rock when requested. I was never asked for HD, because the public didn't really know what it was. Streaming was just expected, never requested. Most people don't request, they just skip on to the next guy that has what they want and they have slipped through your fingers.

[DannyCox]

Looks like FriendFinder finally jumped the shark

[Forest]

Originally Posted by tony404

yep no one watches their stuff so they are going with a gimmick.

ding ding

[softball]

I'm not saying 3d is taking over or will take over. But history is full of luminaries that thought everything from "modern art" to airplanes were just gimmicks. You know, like twitter.