Euro Revenue gone

rycpitbull · 07-31-2010

What a shame too. Huda is a great guy to work with. I think his partners are making some pretty horrible business decisions... but do what ya gotta do I guess.

softball · 07-31-2010

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Due to changes in the marketplace and the global economic downturn, the current affiliate membership model is no longer sustainable.

What do you think that means?

tony404 · 07-31-2010

It sucks and I feel its going to worse before it gets better.

RawAlex · 07-31-2010

Actually, this rash of closing is pretty much as I expected at the start of the summer. There are plenty of programs that have been "just holding on", and they are slowly getting whittled away. Other programs are out there producing new content, opening new sites, and moving forward with new designs and such that are keeping their programs fresh and viable.

If I remember correctly, Eurorevenue had an issue a while back that made them somewhat difficult to work with (legal issue, I think), which may have put them in a weaker position.

softball · 07-31-2010

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Actually, this rash of closing is pretty much as I expected at the start of the summer. There are plenty of programs that have been "just holding on", and they are slowly getting whittled away. Other programs are out there producing new content, opening new sites, and moving forward with new designs and such that are keeping their programs fresh and viable.

If I remember correctly, Eurorevenue had an issue a while back that made them somewhat difficult to work with (legal issue, I think), which may have put them in a weaker position.

Or is it the beginning of the end of "programs". Are they too old school and is the biz just moving on having choked this chicken to death.

gonzo · 08-01-2010

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Originally Posted by rhetorical

Or is it the beginning of the end of "programs". Are they too old school and is the biz just moving on having choked this chicken to death.

I think its the start of the greed.
Think about it if your traffic sources are 90% affiliate drive it makes perfect sense to shit on them to raise the bottom line.

rycpitbull · 08-01-2010

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Originally Posted by rhetorical

What do you think that means?

I guess that applies to the piracy model as well.. since they cancelled with us too.

rycpitbull · 08-01-2010

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Originally Posted by gonzo

I think its the start of the greed.
Think about it if your traffic sources are 90% affiliate drive it makes perfect sense to shit on them to raise the bottom line.

I know a whale of a program that was getting ready to send them all their euro traffic too. Oh well.

EmporerEJ · 08-01-2010

Man, you guys gotta read the "chicken little" story.

But fellas, that being said.....the idea that people will pay for "static porn," (as I call it, in a very general sense,) is a weak one to build a business plan on.

softball · 08-01-2010

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Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Man, you guys gotta read the "chicken little" story.

But fellas, that being said.....the idea that people will pay for "static porn," (as I call it, in a very general sense,) is a weak one to build a business plan on.

What do you mean by "static" porn?

EmporerEJ · 08-01-2010

"Static," as in, still photographs, limited audio/visual video clips, and anything that has been available in the same, flat, format since the earliest days of photography, and motion pictures ....circa turn of the century 1900 (photo,) and mid 1920's, motion pictures. You could, at this point, extend it into most works of art, which go back to cave man days.

The only thing man has done to "improve" this format, from 1900ish-2000, is in slight quality improvement, (stretched over 100 years, it's quite pitiful.)
The only thing the internet has done, is improve the delivery, and distribution of this content.

There was a "flush" of business possibility as this new medium was exploited, but that's over. The internet is a ubiquitous medium now.

I can hold it in the palm of my hand, (no pun intended,) nearly anywhere on the planet.

The tube sites, and rampant copyright infringement, confusion, or lack of monitoring, have made millions of "static" porn products, available for free.

Expecting people to "pay" for it, is a delusion. The gravy train is sputtering to a stop.
The internet is not "new" anymore. delivering the same material digitally, instantly, rather than paper or celluloid/videotape/DVD, was a minimal improvement, and is now everywhere for, basically, free.

In shorter terms....playboy on paper, or on a screen, is basically the same. One could argue each method has it's merit, but simply putting it (the "static" material,) on a screen, while making access easier, still has other drawbacks, not found in the portable anywhere, and persistent, paper medium.

Other than access, and time shifting, video porn on the "internet," has serious drawbacks in quality, and "scrubbability."
Scrubbability, and instant access to certain scenes, are critical components to most male masturbation scenarios.

The only way to a new "product," is create a value added feature, something they can't get anywhere else, that will expand the experience, and create a new product.

RawAlex · 08-01-2010

EJ, sadly, outside of letting the punters actually bang the pornstars, there isn't much left. We are selling the second hand experiece. So far we have seen that the market on devices such as yours is somewhat limited, most people are not willing to make a major monetary investment in self pleasure.

For the most part, adult entertainment is an impulse buy, a pleasure chosen on the spur of the moment, and nothing something that is grandly planned and studied. So no matter the situation, we have to remember that we are in the end marketing in the same manner as the rows of chewing gum in the super market check out lines, and not the main products people are looking for.

The failures we are seeing right now in porn mostly have to do with companies who were not in the business of selling porn, but rather had shifted their models towards maximizing revenues regardless of the product. They made choices that would at some point or another lead to a dead end. (not a direct comment on Eurorevenue, as I think their issue is somewhat different).

There are any number of programs out there right now development new content and sites, and putting out content that the public still seems to think is worth paying for.

softball · 08-01-2010

firstly, if no one pays, there is no porn. Someone always pays. Our job is to get a piece of it. As far a static goes, film has been around since the 19th century and editing was a 20th century innovation which changed everything. Certain things remain true today that were true then. The same as in print...which dates back to pre history. The main requirement is to suspend disbelief, whether it is static or moving pictures. Both have co-existed for over a century now.

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rycpitbull Approving Gay AVS Sites Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: DFW Area Posts: 51	Euro Revenue gone What a shame too. Huda is a great guy to work with. I think his partners are making some pretty horrible business decisions... but do what ya gotta do I guess. __________________ http://www.removeyourcontent.com

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tony404 Members Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 926	Re: Euro Revenue gone It sucks and I feel its going to worse before it gets better. __________________ www.creamycandy.com yum yum.

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RawAlex Members $100 for every ImLive sign-up Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,036	Re: Euro Revenue gone Actually, this rash of closing is pretty much as I expected at the start of the summer. There are plenty of programs that have been "just holding on", and they are slowly getting whittled away. Other programs are out there producing new content, opening new sites, and moving forward with new designs and such that are keeping their programs fresh and viable. If I remember correctly, Eurorevenue had an issue a while back that made them somewhat difficult to work with (legal issue, I think), which may have put them in a weaker position. __________________ Let's go to the edge of disaster Push the pedal and go a little faster Let's slam into a wall at ramming speed Let's go to the edge of a mountain Jump off and lets start countin' Hit the ground and tell me if it bleeds

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EmporerEJ Brilliant Innoventionalist and writer. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: USA, Northern Hemisphere, Terra, 3rd of nine, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy, Far from Galactic Core Posts: 2,260	Re: Euro Revenue gone Man, you guys gotta read the "chicken little" story. But fellas, that being said.....the idea that people will pay for "static porn," (as I call it, in a very general sense,) is a weak one to build a business plan on. __________________ Eric J. White VirtualSexMachine.com

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EmporerEJ Brilliant Innoventionalist and writer. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: USA, Northern Hemisphere, Terra, 3rd of nine, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy, Far from Galactic Core Posts: 2,260	Re: Euro Revenue gone "Static," as in, still photographs, limited audio/visual video clips, and anything that has been available in the same, flat, format since the earliest days of photography, and motion pictures ....circa turn of the century 1900 (photo,) and mid 1920's, motion pictures. You could, at this point, extend it into most works of art, which go back to cave man days. The only thing man has done to "improve" this format, from 1900ish-2000, is in slight quality improvement, (stretched over 100 years, it's quite pitiful.) The only thing the internet has done, is improve the delivery, and distribution of this content. There was a "flush" of business possibility as this new medium was exploited, but that's over. The internet is a ubiquitous medium now. I can hold it in the palm of my hand, (no pun intended,) nearly anywhere on the planet. The tube sites, and rampant copyright infringement, confusion, or lack of monitoring, have made millions of "static" porn products, available for free. Expecting people to "pay" for it, is a delusion. The gravy train is sputtering to a stop. The internet is not "new" anymore. delivering the same material digitally, instantly, rather than paper or celluloid/videotape/DVD, was a minimal improvement, and is now everywhere for, basically, free. In shorter terms....playboy on paper, or on a screen, is basically the same. One could argue each method has it's merit, but simply putting it (the "static" material,) on a screen, while making access easier, still has other drawbacks, not found in the portable anywhere, and persistent, paper medium. Other than access, and time shifting, video porn on the "internet," has serious drawbacks in quality, and "scrubbability." Scrubbability, and instant access to certain scenes, are critical components to most male masturbation scenarios. The only way to a new "product," is create a value added feature, something they can't get anywhere else, that will expand the experience, and create a new product. __________________ Eric J. White VirtualSexMachine.com

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RawAlex Members $100 for every ImLive sign-up Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,036	Re: Euro Revenue gone EJ, sadly, outside of letting the punters actually bang the pornstars, there isn't much left. We are selling the second hand experiece. So far we have seen that the market on devices such as yours is somewhat limited, most people are not willing to make a major monetary investment in self pleasure. For the most part, adult entertainment is an impulse buy, a pleasure chosen on the spur of the moment, and nothing something that is grandly planned and studied. So no matter the situation, we have to remember that we are in the end marketing in the same manner as the rows of chewing gum in the super market check out lines, and not the main products people are looking for. The failures we are seeing right now in porn mostly have to do with companies who were not in the business of selling porn, but rather had shifted their models towards maximizing revenues regardless of the product. They made choices that would at some point or another lead to a dead end. (not a direct comment on Eurorevenue, as I think their issue is somewhat different). There are any number of programs out there right now development new content and sites, and putting out content that the public still seems to think is worth paying for. __________________ Let's go to the edge of disaster Push the pedal and go a little faster Let's slam into a wall at ramming speed Let's go to the edge of a mountain Jump off and lets start countin' Hit the ground and tell me if it bleeds

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softball Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,165	Re: Euro Revenue gone firstly, if no one pays, there is no porn. Someone always pays. Our job is to get a piece of it. As far a static goes, film has been around since the 19th century and editing was a 20th century innovation which changed everything. Certain things remain true today that were true then. The same as in print...which dates back to pre history. The main requirement is to suspend disbelief, whether it is static or moving pictures. Both have co-existed for over a century now.