MasterCard Bans Cross Sales

Toby · 12-24-2008

From a post on GFY:

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonC

Effective Immediately MasterCard is going to enforce rule 5.10.1
http://www.mastercard.com/us/merchan...Rules_5_08.pdf

Pre-Checked Cross sells are now officially DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!
Fines will be 50k per week per account
30 days for banks to cancel all accounts or termination of their right to process

This rule will not affect IPSP accounts since we are viewed as a single merchant in MasterCard's eyes.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!! The day before Christmas this is really PRICELESS

Ron C
CEO
__________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com

I hope VISA follows suit. Merry Christmas!

pornlaw · 12-24-2008

Its probably just a matter of time for VISA. Hopefully this will restore some consumer confidence in the porn industry.... I cant believe I just wrote that !!!

bluemoney · 12-24-2008

I'm down wid dat!

RawAlex · 12-24-2008

Notice that Ron did a nice asterix on the deal - it doesn't affect ccbill clients, because as an IPSP they are viewed as a single merchant, so pre-checked cross sales on mastercard between ccbill clients would be acceptable.

As the world turns...

Toby · 12-24-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

...so pre-checked cross sales on mastercard between ccbill clients would be acceptable...

Yes, and I really have no problem with that. Anyone doing shady shit with CCBill cross sales will get shit-canned pretty quickly. No way to roll multiple MIDs and merchant accounts to hide high charge back rates and since CCBill hosts the join forms the cross sales are always above the submit and well disclosed.

RawAlex · 12-24-2008

...and not pre-checked, which is clearly the bigger issue here.

I am sort of hoping that Visa gets the memo from Mastercard and chooses to do the same thing, I suspect at this point that it is only a matter of time. I would have to think that the cross sale chargebacks are piling up and all the fake / made up billing companies in the world can't sweep that much shit under the digital rug.

Toby · 12-24-2008

I think Visa may already have this in the works, but they move a bit slower than Mastercard since Visa is actually three regional companies and not a single global entity like MC.

I saw a post by the ATK affiliate rep saying that this MC policy was a topic of discussion when he was at the Epoch offices a couple of weeks ago, so it's not a bomb that MC just now dropped out of the blue.

gonzo · 12-24-2008

This has been rumbling for months now.
And from what I hear theres a lot more to follow.

Deecash and the rest will be scrambling now!

Toby · 12-24-2008

Affiliates that are dependent on these high PPS programs are in for a dose of reality too.

The thinning of the herd continues.

miz_wright · 12-24-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

...and not pre-checked, which is clearly the bigger issue here.

I am sort of hoping that Visa gets the memo from Mastercard and chooses to do the same thing, I suspect at this point that it is only a matter of time. I would have to think that the cross sale chargebacks are piling up and all the fake / made up billing companies in the world can't sweep that much shit under the digital rug.

Actually, if you read Ron's post, it does say "pre-checked cross sales" in there.

Right on with MasterCard!

Hell Puppy · 12-26-2008

Anything that forces disclosure is good.

Even the best exposed prechecks are bad, but tempting to those trying to milk every penny. The stats will show you why they do it.

But I could absolutely live with nothing but unchecked cross sales. To me that's not really different from what amazon does. If a user has to actually take action to say "yes, i want to buy that too", that's pretty solid.

12-24-2008	#2
pornlaw Future BROmaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 266	Re: MasterCard Bans Cross Sales Its probably just a matter of time for VISA. Hopefully this will restore some consumer confidence in the porn industry.... I cant believe I just wrote that !!!

12-24-2008	#3
bluemoney Right HERE . . . BITCH! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chronic Town Posts: 1,295	Re: MasterCard Bans Cross Sales I'm down wid dat! __________________ True Beauty Cash For High Quality Erotica \| Certified Hosting Is Da Fucking Bomb "Don't Get None On Ya"

12-24-2008	#4
RawAlex Members $100 for every ImLive sign-up Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,036	Re: MasterCard Bans Cross Sales Notice that Ron did a nice asterix on the deal - it doesn't affect ccbill clients, because as an IPSP they are viewed as a single merchant, so pre-checked cross sales on mastercard between ccbill clients would be acceptable. As the world turns... __________________ Let's go to the edge of disaster Push the pedal and go a little faster Let's slam into a wall at ramming speed Let's go to the edge of a mountain Jump off and lets start countin' Hit the ground and tell me if it bleeds

12-24-2008	#6
RawAlex Members $100 for every ImLive sign-up Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,036	Re: MasterCard Bans Cross Sales ...and not pre-checked, which is clearly the bigger issue here. I am sort of hoping that Visa gets the memo from Mastercard and chooses to do the same thing, I suspect at this point that it is only a matter of time. I would have to think that the cross sale chargebacks are piling up and all the fake / made up billing companies in the world can't sweep that much shit under the digital rug. __________________ Let's go to the edge of disaster Push the pedal and go a little faster Let's slam into a wall at ramming speed Let's go to the edge of a mountain Jump off and lets start countin' Hit the ground and tell me if it bleeds

12-24-2008	#7
Toby Fat Fucking Nobody Respin bullshit press Your Comments Are Welcomed Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 2,624	Re: MasterCard Bans Cross Sales I think Visa may already have this in the works, but they move a bit slower than Mastercard since Visa is actually three regional companies and not a single global entity like MC. I saw a post by the ATK affiliate rep saying that this MC policy was a topic of discussion when he was at the Epoch offices a couple of weeks ago, so it's not a bomb that MC just now dropped out of the blue. __________________ My TGP's: Bevy Of Babes \| Bevy Of Boobs \| Babes In Boots \| Well Heeled Women \| Dressing For Sex \| Latex Vixens \| Stocking Vixens

12-24-2008	#8
gonzo Fat Fucking Nobody Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta,Ga. Posts: 17,795 Blog Entries: 11	Re: MasterCard Bans Cross Sales This has been rumbling for months now. And from what I hear theres a lot more to follow. Deecash and the rest will be scrambling now! __________________ We are putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage." "Never try and be like anyone else" - Hunter S. Thompson "The truth is the truth no matter how you try and package a lie" - Shellee Hale

12-24-2008	#9
Toby Fat Fucking Nobody Respin bullshit press Your Comments Are Welcomed Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 2,624	Re: MasterCard Bans Cross Sales Affiliates that are dependent on these high PPS programs are in for a dose of reality too. The thinning of the herd continues. __________________ My TGP's: Bevy Of Babes \| Bevy Of Boobs \| Babes In Boots \| Well Heeled Women \| Dressing For Sex \| Latex Vixens \| Stocking Vixens

12-26-2008	#11
Hell Puppy Fat Fucking Nobody Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,523	Re: MasterCard Bans Cross Sales Anything that forces disclosure is good. Even the best exposed prechecks are bad, but tempting to those trying to milk every penny. The stats will show you why they do it. But I could absolutely live with nothing but unchecked cross sales. To me that's not really different from what amazon does. If a user has to actually take action to say "yes, i want to buy that too", that's pretty solid.