American and Delta Deny Porn

[miz_wright]

The Association of Flight Attendants has persuaded American Airlines and Delta Airlines to install filtering systems on their in-flight wi-fi systems that would block passengers from accessing pornographic movies. The move came after American said that the job of policing laptop users would be carried out by the flight attendants. Corey Caldwell of the Association of Flight Attendants told Wired.com, "We're glad the airlines have responded to our concerns and to those of passengers." Nevertheless, passengers have always been able to load pornographic films onto their laptops before boarding and watch them during a flight. That there are no reported incidents of anyone actually doing so appears significant to such groups as the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Marc Rotenberg, who heads the Eff Privacy Information Center, told ITWorld.com that American's action opens the door to similar censoring of other content that passengers might find inappropriate. "It's so easy, once that precedent is set," he said, "to broaden ... the kind of information blocks that might be imposed."

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[Forest]

american has inflight wifi?

soo cool! I am soo surfing porn on my way to Curacao this weekend

[Hell Puppy]

Guess I'll just have to stick to reading Hustler on my next flight.

[tony404]

I can see that, its not a right to watch porn in public places.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by tony404

I can see that, its not a right to watch porn in public places.

Who gets to decide what's porn?

And they really do sell Hustler at airport newsstands.

[DannyCox]

I consider Maxim to be quite offensive adult entertainment! I want that removed from all airport book shops!

And have you seen the ads in some of those fashion magazines??!! Pure Filth and Pure Pornography!

[tony404]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Who gets to decide what's porn?

And they really do sell Hustler at airport newsstands.

I know they sell hustler, the only time I buy it is when I pick someone up at the airport. lol Watching some girl get a cream pie when there people around to me is in bad taste. Like I said porn isnt for consumption in public IMO.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by tony404

I know they sell hustler, the only time I buy it is when I pick someone up at the airport. lol Watching some girl get a cream pie when there people around to me is in bad taste. Like I said porn isnt for consumption in public IMO.

Agree, I just dont want airlines dictating what is "bad taste". I've tried their food, I dont trust their judgement.

There's far worse behavior on airplanes for the airlines to worry about than the idea that someone might be surfing bukkake in sight of the seat neighbor.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

There's far worse behavior on airplanes for the airlines to worry about than the idea that someone might be surfing bukkake in sight of the seat neighbor.

Bukkake? Schmookake. I'd be much more offended if the guy in the next seat was watching The Hills or Dancing with the Stars on Hulu or something. Bleck!

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by tony404

I can see that, its not a right to watch porn in public places.

Interestingly, it doesn't deny the right to watch porn in a public place - which is, now that you mention it, an actual right, though not widely engaged in due to social mores - it simply blocks ISPs. If one were so inclined, one could theoretically pop the DVD of one's choice into the laptop instead.

[miz_wright]

Actually, I just rememebered something about a flight I took last week.

I was sitting in the airport, catching up on some work emails when I attempted to log into my company's flagship site to verify some stats for a client - and access to our site was blocked at our airport.

The message I received was "Reason for restriction: Forbidden Category "Adult/Mature Content." Which means that I am being prevented from doing my job. Which seems... Um. Problematic at best.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Interestingly, it doesn't deny the right to watch porn in a public place - which is, now that you mention it, an actual right, though not widely engaged in due to social mores - it simply blocks ISPs. If one were so inclined, one could theoretically pop the DVD of one's choice into the laptop instead.

You know that HP is after me to get that copy of The TwinkWhisperer before it hits the stores.

[TheEnforcer]

I don't have a problem with this.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

I don't have a problem with this.

Why not?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by tony404

I can see that, its not a right to watch porn in public places.

so the playboy magazines I have seen men reading on planes for years is wrong?

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Why not?

Many reasons. An airplane is private property for one. They have the right to control what happens in their place of business within reason which this most certainly is. Two. I think it's rude in the extreme to watch porn on a plane. No parent wants to walk their kid to the bathroom and have them point at a laptop and say, "what are those people doing? " to them. Heck, the vast majority of adults likely don't wanna see a porn film on a plane.

[softball]

Lizz has a good point. I have been in airport lounges where my sites have been blocked and that has prevented me from doing business. Meanwhile, guys all around me are doing business on their laptops. Where as I don't agree with watching porn on a plane which could offend some, I also get offended by violent video games which are freely played on airplanes. I also think that in a business lounge you should not be denied access to your business. Personally I don't give a shit about doing business on airplanes. They used to be the last refuge where you could be out of touch with the office which was great.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Many reasons. An airplane is private property for one. They have the right to control what happens in their place of business within reason which this most certainly is. Two. I think it's rude in the extreme to watch porn on a plane. No parent wants to walk their kid to the bathroom and have them point at a laptop and say, "what are those people doing? " to them. Heck, the vast majority of adults likely don't wanna see a porn film on a plane.

While I agree that they have the right to control what happens in their place of business, social mores typically prevent one from watching porn on the plane anyhow - which is actually note - but this doesn't actually prevent one from watching adult content, simply from accessing websites.

I could bring my Evil Angel, Zero Tolerance, or NINN Worx DVDs with me all day - but I wouldn't be able to check my clients' sites for marketing strategies should I choose to. Which is where my concerns come into play.

Plus, really? Who gets to decide what I can access? That's kinda fucked and Orwellian for me.

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

While I agree that they have the right to control what happens in their place of business, social mores typically prevent one from watching porn on the plane anyhow - which is actually note - but this doesn't actually prevent one from watching adult content, simply from accessing websites.

I could bring my Evil Angel, Zero Tolerance, or NINN Worx DVDs with me all day - but I wouldn't be able to check my clients' sites for marketing strategies should I choose to. Which is where my concerns come into play.

Plus, really? Who gets to decide what I can access? That's kinda fucked and Orwellian for me.

We all know that are people out there who don't give a damn about social mores. Blame it on people who visited a porn site on their laptop mid-flight. Now, they can either deal with the hassle of trying to get some rude person not to watch/look at porn mid flight or just try and prevent havign to deal with it at all as much as possible.

Also, do you let anybody do anything they want when they come to your home?? Does AEBN let you do anything you want while working? People set rules for their place of home or business every day.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

We all know that are people out there who don't give a damn about social mores. Blame it on people who visited a porn site on their laptop mid-flight. {snip}
Also, do you let anybody do anything they want when they come to your home?? Does AEBN let you do anything you want while working? People set rules for their place of home or business every day.

1) This wouldn't have been possible via inflight wifi until very recently, and the article states it's never happened as far as anyone knows at any rate. So that's an invalid arguement to have, really. And again, I reiterate: it doesn't mean porn is inaccessible in toto, simply not via the web.

2) Also, not analogous arguements. I don't charge people to come into my house and then deny them access to their livlihood. And in return for certain job functions, AEBN provides me with compensation - it's an acceptable trade. In this case, I am paying for a business need - travel - and the standard for preventing someone from working, regardless of the business model under which that work is done, is not across the board. This, to my mind, constitutes a selective enforcement on job access - a banker will be able to work with his clients and access information on the financial markets, but I am unable to work with mine. This is an untenable encroachment on my ability to work that is not without bias on the part of the airlines in question.

[tony404]

Man that porn I can do whatever I want where I want attitude with no regard for others comes shining thru. lol

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by tony404

Man that porn I can do whatever I want where I want attitude with no regard for others comes shining thru. lol

It's nothing to do with porn, really, and all to do with limiting my ability to do my job when I have paid for a service.

[Dravyk]

One question ... I know I'll be told this has nothing to do with people and rights ... hell with that for the moment as I'm talking common sense instead (yes, how dare I!) ... Who wants a hard-on on a plane?

To put it another way, what good is porn at 40,000 feet? What ya gonna do, wank off in your seat???

Really. Porn on a plane is about as useful as a box of oatmeal in the desert, a three-piece suit at a Trekkie convention, or a sane thought inside the Bush Administration.

[DannyCox]

Drav, aren't you a member of the Solo Mile High Club yet??!! When you're alone, the lav's are quite comfy

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

1) This wouldn't have been possible via inflight wifi until very recently, and the article states it's never happened as far as anyone knows at any rate. So that's an invalid arguement to have, really. And again, I reiterate: it doesn't mean porn is inaccessible in toto, simply not via the web.

2) Also, not analogous arguements. I don't charge people to come into my house and then deny them access to their livlihood. And in return for certain job functions, AEBN provides me with compensation - it's an acceptable trade. In this case, I am paying for a business need - travel - and the standard for preventing someone from working, regardless of the business model under which that work is done, is not across the board. This, to my mind, constitutes a selective enforcement on job access - a banker will be able to work with his clients and access information on the financial markets, but I am unable to work with mine. This is an untenable encroachment on my ability to work that is not without bias on the part of the airlines in question.

1 -Doesn't matter that it hasn't only that it most certainly can. They say why let it happen at all? You can either use their flight service or not. You can just as easily take a train and have a private car if you wish or drive or take a boat if applicable. The point is it is THEIR privatye place of business, not yours, and thus they can set groundrules for using their services. You either accept them or use a different carrier or other mode of transportation. No one is forcing you to take a plane with that carrier.

2- The point is EVERYWHERE/EVERYONE has a set of rules of conduct on their premies and such. Freedom doen't mean anything goes and other people have rights as well.

[softball]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

1 -Doesn't matter that it hasn't only that it most certainly can. They say why let it happen at all? You can either use their flight service or not. You can just as easily take a train and have a private car if you wish or drive or take a boat if applicable. The point is it is THEIR privatye place of business, not yours, and thus they can set groundrules for using their services. You either accept them or use a different carrier or other mode of transportation. No one is forcing you to take a plane with that carrier.

2- The point is EVERYWHERE/EVERYONE has a set of rules of conduct on their premies and such. Freedom doen't mean anything goes and other people have rights as well.

Ground rules have limitations, even in the air. Or would that be air rules? Unless it is a danger to the safety of the plane, I am not sure if it would survive a challenge. But who would in all honesty challenge it? I hear they even let Buckwheat sit at the front of the plane nowadays. Go figure.

[Hell Puppy]

And round and round it goes...

This is the same issue I have with excessive government regulation, especially in places like schools. Redneck kid leaves his hunting knife in the truck during deer season, someone see's it he's expelled due to "zero tolerance".

Everyone has forgotten so much about responsibility that we now have entities trying to regulate common sense. And that never works out well. We restrict the masses because we've become too pussified to deal with the idiots. Society more and more protects the stupid, the weak and the listless.

If you left the internet totally open, why would you expect to see more occurences of porn on laptop screens than you see already on DVD players or open magazines? Yet there are perfectly legitimate business applications that just happen to be on same domains or servers, Liz mentioned one. I have another, the command center for every piece of app monitoring that I own, mainstream and adult, lives on an adult server, thus it's almost certainly blocked.

Deal with the occasional jackass who exercises poor judgement, leave the internet alone. Same guy who'd surf porn is highly likely to find other ways to draw attention to himself anyway.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Deal with the occasional jackass who exercises poor judgement, leave the internet alone. Same guy who'd surf porn is highly likely to find other ways to draw attention to himself anyway.

Like cooking a cum omlette?

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Like cooking a cum omlette?

[Toby]

Glad I chose not to have eggs for breakfast this morning.

[tony404]

what did all you people do who have to check things in the air but they offered wifi? You waited? You picked porn as a business, realize we arent the same as anyone else.Is it fair no but its reality.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by tony404

what did all you people do who have to check things in the air but they offered wifi? You waited? You picked porn as a business, realize we arent the same as anyone else.Is it fair no but its reality.

If the functionality is not available, you deal with it. If it's selectively offered fucntionality, that's continued ghettoization of human sexuality and the business as a whole.

For me, this comes from a deeper place - the marginalisation of sexuality and its attendant business models is problematic for me, even if I am not in this business. Pretty much everyone has sex and enjoys it - so why is it less acceptable to see than bombs and violence and financial meltdowns?

[softball]

the marginalisation of sexuality and its attendant business models is problematic for me,

Not for me. It is what makes our business successful. It needs to be naughty and thrilling and unacceptable, for us to profit. It is why massage parlours all have a back entrance. It is why red light districts are always slightly seamy. It is the dark side of June and Ward. It is why porn is/was relatively expensive compared to similar products and profitable. That profit margin is what attracts pimps and whores and all the folks that make this business the fun romp that it is.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

Drav, aren't you a member of the Solo Mile High Club yet??!! When you're alone, the lav's are quite comfy

Alone in one of those? No comprende.

Besides, can you imagine the walk to the lav? One would either look like they had a unicorn in their pants or have to do the gimp shuffle.