Americans: You have te right to bear arms

[helix]

Another really scary weapon related issue is the use of tasers by law enforcement on the public. Tasers are responsible for many deaths/heart damage. The law enforcement agencies here in the states and Canada are too willing to use the supposed "non-lethal" energy weapons unnecessarily on the public imo. These energy weapons are far more lethal (sometimes days after use) than they are admitting. Taser finally lost their first lawsuit for wrongful death.

http://tasertimes.com/ <-- taser news aggregator

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Toby

Drunk drivers kill far more people than handguns, but I don't see anyone seriously trying to ban the sale of cars or alcohol. Your arguments simply don't hold up.

Since I know you'll ask, here are some hard numbers. 2005 was the most recent year that I could find National numbers for both without wasting a ton of time.

Alcohol related auto fatalities - 16,885 (source - CDC)
Handgun related homicides - 8,478 (source - DOJ)

Sorry Toby, but when you can explain to me how many people got to work driving their guns or how many people picked up a girl in a bar because they drank their guns or whatnot, this argument is ALWAYS a non-starter.

It gets back to my point: Guns have two purposes, kill or threaten to kill. 100% of the use of guns is to inflict pain and suffering. 99.99% of all miles driving in a car (and 99% of all people who have a drink) aren't killers or threatening to kill anyone.

it is the same worn out logic as to knives, axes, pens, rope, and about a million other things that can use used to kill someone. The point isn't that they can kill, because all you need to kill are your fists (let's cut everyone's hands off!). The point is that all of those items have good and valid uses that don't involve killing other people.

NRA member?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

just hope like hell that the guy having the 4 martini lunch next to you isn't packing and pissed off about your table manners.

He probably isnt.
He drinks martinis...

[ali25extreme]

Originally Posted by bluemoney

Taurus Model 22 .22LR Pistol in Nickel with Gold Accents and Pink Mother of Pearl Grips Special Edition

http://www.hyattgunstore.com/tamo222piinn1.html

It's "purddy too"

Too girly for me... Not my style...but thanks! I think that I just need to take a trip to the gun shop and look at them.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by gonzo

He probably isnt.
He drinks martinis...

He probably has the girly .22 with the pink handles in his bra.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

He probably has the girly .22 with the pink handles in his bra.

All debate aside. I never have understood why anyone carries a .22 pistol.
Its kind of like a large 2 shot derringer.

More of a get off of my gun that youd have to put right up against a thugs head to get his attention. Otherwise youd just piss him off even if you did hit him.

I remember when I got that gun we called it the derringer of death. It totally mangles your hand when you fire it.

I dont miss those days much. Making less than 30K a year, hanging out in shitty places and working shitty hours.

Cops and teachers truely are the most underpaid professionals in the world.

[RawAlex]

Gonzo, I think that .22s falls in that category of "threaten to kill". Visibly it is a gun, and for most people, all guns are deadly. It is something to pull out when you want to look way more deadly than you are. Possibly the next step up from a BB gun?

[sarettah]

.22's are the weapon of choice for assassination.

The bullet does a whole lot more damage bouncing around inside of someone then a larger more powerful bullet does by just going right through someone.

[Hell Puppy]

88% of statistics are made up.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

88% of statistics are made up.

90% of all statistics can be made to say absolutely anything, 50% of the time.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

You are such an idiot. And once again, trying to draw attention away from the issue at hand. The only reason you have "peace," anywhere in the world, is because "Guys like us," are willing to step up when you pussies won't.
How do you make "peace" with a Hitler? With a Saddam Hussein? With a North Korea? With a Khmr Rouge? How did those countries feel when the Iron curtain closed over them? How is "peace" working out for Darfur?
How do people like you stand by and watch that shit, speaking "peace?"
Makes my blood boil. I have ZERO tolerance for rape, murder, and worse of the women and children of the world. If it were up to me, the marines would have already landed. Following a surgical strike of the entire political power structure. Argue your "peace" to those people, pal. All your mealy mouth "sanctions," and "niceties" hasn't done much, now has it? How many have to be tortured and killed?

You live in the shadow of our protection. But for it, you would have been "subjected" long ago. You can squawk about it all you want. We don't expect you to thank us for it. Hell, we don't even expect you to shut up about it. But don't ever imagine we don't all know what the real score is.

How do you make "peace" with a Hitler?

Well we were there first trying to kill that mother fucker while "you" were making money out of the whole thing. It was only when you got your ass pricked at pearl, did you dare to jump in. We were getting killed. You were dancing to Glen Miller. So shut the fuck up, cracker. And no we do not live under your umbrella of protection, we live under the threat of retribution by those who would fuck you up. Just remember when you guys were so scared on 9/11 you would have let all your airliners crash and burn, just in case....we saved their American asses. Or did that thought escape you. Don't fuck with your friends and don't try and bully them or they may turn and bite you on the bum. Fucking ignorant wanker. Learn your place in the world and deal with it. You are a dying breed and for very good reason.
The only reason your gas isn't double the price is because of NAFTA and I fucking hate that. Fortunately water is not protected by NAFTA, and that is way more valuable than oil. Then whatcha gonno do, loudmouth?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

90% of all statistics can be made to say absolutely anything, 50% of the time.

I heard it was 100 per cent. At least that's the impression I get from MADD

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

The only reason your gas isn't double the price is because of NAFTA and I fucking hate that. Fortunately water is not protected by NAFTA, and that is way more valuable than oil. Then whatcha gonno do, loudmouth?

I suspect that is when the right to bear arms will turn into the right to invade Canada.

[softball]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I suspect that is when the right to bear arms will turn into the right to invade Canada.

Guys like Emp always consider that as an option. But it is impossible. We have way too many friends. It comes with being reasonable which Emp misinterprets for weakness. Never threaten what you cannot deliver. Just like Emp has been promising his jerk off device for the last ten years and nobody uses it. His ego is writing checks his body can't cash.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by ali25extreme

I am in the market to purchase a weapon for protection I was thinking of getting a Ruger mark III .22 calibur. I am use to firing rifles; m14, m16, and other assault rifles, I have fired the glock 45 and it had a kick to it, but I was very accurate with it, just not a good feel for my size! Any suggestions?

Is this for carry?

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Back to junior high debate club time. I won't answer this because it is totally meaningless. The need or want for a police office to be armed in no way bolsters the idea that everyone walking down the street should be armed. That would just take us back to the wild west where the local sheriff and the local undertaker were the two busiest people in almost any town. Actually, I think parts of the US are already there.

You watch too many movies, and too much TV. Automobiles are far more deadly weapons. And we give those out to 16 year olds.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

............................ Homicide ... Suicide ... Other (inc Accident)

USA (2001) ............... 3.98 ........ 5.92 ..... 0.36
Italy (1997) .............. 0.81 ........ 1.1 ....... 0.07
Switzerland (1998) ..... 0.50 ........ 5.8 ....... 0.10
Canada (2002) ........... 0.4 ......... 2.0 ....... 0.04
Finland (2003) ........... 0.35 ........ 4.45 ...... 0.10
Australia (2001) ......... 0.24 ........ 1.34 ..... 0.10
France (2001) ........... 0.21 ......... 3.4 ...... 0.49
England/Wales (2002) . 0.15 ......... 0.2 ...... 0.03
Scotland (2002) ......... 0.06 ......... 0.2 ...... 0.02
Japan (2002) ............. 0.02 ......... 0.04 ..... 0

Data taken from Cukier and Sidel (2006) The Global Gun Epidemic. Praeger Security International. Westport.


I just love how the statistcs show just how well gun ownership protects you from harm in the US! So keep on carrying as the odds that you will get shot are 10 times higher for you than for me

Darwin really was right!

See? So why are so worried about us and our guns?
We're advancing your agenda for you.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Sorry Toby, but when you can explain to me how many people got to work driving their guns or how many people picked up a girl in a bar because they drank their guns or whatnot, this argument is ALWAYS a non-starter.

It gets back to my point: Guns have two purposes, kill or threaten to kill. 100% of the use of guns is to inflict pain and suffering. 99.99% of all miles driving in a car (and 99% of all people who have a drink) aren't killers or threatening to kill anyone.

it is the same worn out logic as to knives, axes, pens, rope, and about a million other things that can use used to kill someone. The point isn't that they can kill, because all you need to kill are your fists (let's cut everyone's hands off!). The point is that all of those items have good and valid uses that don't involve killing other people.

NRA member?

Sometimes, a thing is necessary.
M.A.D. seems to have worked, now didn't it?

Not sure Hitler would have stopped for a Beer. Or did you imagine the Japanese wouldn't have come down through Alaska, and invaded Canada, had they not been stopped?
Where you going to through beer at them? Fortunately for you, you never had to find out. Your American Neighbors saved your ass.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Well we were there first trying to kill that mother fucker while "you" were making money out of the whole thing. It was only when you got your ass pricked at pearl, did you dare to jump in. We were getting killed. You were dancing to Glen Miller. So shut the fuck up, cracker. And no we do not live under your umbrella of protection, we live under the threat of retribution by those who would fuck you up. Just remember when you guys were so scared on 9/11 you would have let all your airliners crash and burn, just in case....we saved their American asses. Or did that thought escape you. Don't fuck with your friends and don't try and bully them or they may turn and bite you on the bum. Fucking ignorant wanker. Learn your place in the world and deal with it. You are a dying breed and for very good reason.
The only reason your gas isn't double the price is because of NAFTA and I fucking hate that. Fortunately water is not protected by NAFTA, and that is way more valuable than oil. Then whatcha gonno do, loudmouth?

It's got to be the cold that makes you think these things, right? Maybe the O2 depravation?
I think the best bet is you just stay up there.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I suspect that is when the right to bear arms will turn into the right to invade Canada.

Invade? Why?
We get it for the asking. Invasion isn't necessary.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Sometimes, a thing is necessary.
M.A.D. seems to have worked, now didn't it?

Not sure Hitler would have stopped for a Beer. Or did you imagine the Japanese wouldn't have come down through Alaska, and invaded Canada, had they not been stopped?
Where you going to through beer at them? Fortunately for you, you never had to find out. Your American Neighbors saved your ass.

You silly boy. If it wasn't for our American neighbours, we wouldn't have had the Japanese to worry about. They invaded you. Or did this little thought escape you? You prolly read about the time when you were dragged kicking and screaming...yet again....into a major conflict. In fact the only two major conflicts you have been involved in, you came in late while we along with anyone else with a conscience were doing our best to stop evil in its tracks. I hope you feel safe with your peashooter that someone could take off you in a heartbeat and pop a cap in your sorry ass.

[softball]

Oh yeah.... and MAD? The jury is still out on that. It is currently still in effect, but if it does fail, and it just might, we won't have to worry about it. You really fire from the hip without a thought about reality, don't you emp. I guess that is why the whole world isn't jerking off in your cow milkers yet.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Buckwheat

Hahahahahahah . . . . The “Snow Mexicans” are pussies! hahahahahahahah

I think you mean snow niggers, don't you?

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Guys like Emp always consider that as an option. But it is impossible. We have way too many friends. It comes with being reasonable which Emp misinterprets for weakness. Never threaten what you cannot deliver. Just like Emp has been promising his jerk off device for the last ten years and nobody uses it. His ego is writing checks his body can't cash.

No, you're weak. But it's OK. We like your country anyhow.
I am still pissed that I was banned from Canadian TV.
So much for Canadian tolerance.

http://www.cbsc.ca/english/decisions/2007/070404.php

But I still like Canada.
Good bread.
No American Cheese, but we can fix that.

As for the device, you're absolutely right. Nothing to see here, move along. I'm sure there are much better ways for all you fellas to make money. I encourage you to explore them all.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

No, you're weak. But it's OK. We like your country anyhow.
I am still pissed that I was banned from Canadian TV.
So much for Canadian tolerance.

http://www.cbsc.ca/english/decisions/2007/070404.php

But I still like Canada.
Good bread.
No American Cheese, but we can fix that.

As for the device, you're absolutely right. Nothing to see here, move along. I'm sure there are much better ways for all you fellas to make money. I encourage you to explore them all.

Oh I am sure we are. But for a gun toting redneck, you sure do walk tall. Funny, when a bunch a freeking ragheads in the desert have you garrisoned and defeated and a bunch a freeking mountain toe rags are killing you at alarming rates, even with our help. When the Russians are biding their time and rearming at evenmore alarming rates and the Chinese have you in an economic pickle, you still crow like a washed up cock in a roost. There is a deeper sand pile around the corner when your head outgrows your current premises.
And as far as swinging your military dick, I do believe you have never had the privilege of serving. You would never risk your fraidy ass when real hot lead was flying.
But hey Smith and Wesson made you a big boy.....not. Its armchair wankers like you that send your kids off to do your dirty work then let them molder in crumbling va hospitals when they meet the misfortune that you never cared to risk.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Oh yeah.... and MAD? The jury is still out on that. It is currently still in effect, but if it does fail, and it just might, we won't have to worry about it. You really fire from the hip without a thought about reality, don't you emp. I guess that is why the whole world isn't jerking off in your cow milkers yet.

You make the point Jackass. "Jury still out?" That means it is working.
And I'm pretty sure, after 50+ years, we can send the jury home.

But then, judging by Canada's Jury system, compared to ours, you may not understand what "Jury is still out," actually means to an American.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You silly boy. If it wasn't for our American neighbours, we wouldn't have had the Japanese to worry about. They invaded you. Or did this little thought escape you? You prolly read about the time when you were dragged kicking and screaming...yet again....into a major conflict. In fact the only two major conflicts you have been involved in, you came in late while we along with anyone else with a conscience were doing our best to stop evil in its tracks. I hope you feel safe with your peashooter that someone could take off you in a heartbeat and pop a cap in your sorry ass.

So, let me get this right....on one hand, you condem us for trying to stay OUT of World war 2, until you had all but lost it, and then, you condem us on the other hand for acting proactively against other ills in the world?
I think you just like to complain about what we do. You should just concentrate on yourself, and stop worrying about what we do.
You don't see us bitching about your action, or, should I say, inaction, now do you?

How would you feel if the marines landed in Darfur?

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

You make the point Jackass. "Jury still out?" That means it is working.
And I'm pretty sure, after 50+ years, we can send the jury home.

But then, judging by Canada's Jury system, compared to ours, you may not understand what "Jury is still out," actually means to an American.

And why would I care about your interpretation of juries? The point is, you dodge every respone I post apart from the few you cherry pick. You know you are rhetorically out gunned...hush my mouth, did I say that. Emp, you are a free spirit in a white trash world. I have to admire you for your bluster and ignorance in the face of cold reality. I bet you still vote Republican because they kick ass around the world and sure do know how to run a country. And don't give me that Libertarian bull shit. It is the last line of defense of the rats deserting the Fascist ship. At least have the courage to admit you were wrong when you voted for Bush to go kick some Arab ass. LMFAO

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Oh I am sure we are. But for a gun toting redneck, you sure do walk tall. Funny, when a bunch a freeking ragheads in the desert have you garrisoned and defeated and a bunch a freeking mountain toe rags are killing you at alarming rates, even with our help. When the Russians are biding their time and rearming at evenmore alarming rates and the Chinese have you in an economic pickle, you still crow like a washed up cock in a roost. There is a deeper sand pile around the corner when your head outgrows your current premises.
And as far as swinging your military dick, I do believe you have never had the privilege of serving. You would never risk your fraidy ass when real hot lead was flying.
But hey Smith and Wesson made you a big boy.....not. Its armchair wankers like you that send your kids off to do your dirty work then let them molder in crumbling va hospitals when they meet the misfortune that you never cared to risk.

You sir, are either a coward, or a traitor.
To take pleasure of, and make light of, the killing of our soldiers, and Canada's own, you have clearly shown where your loyalties lie.
Talking at you is a waste of screen.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

You sir, are either a coward, or a traitor.
To take pleasure of, and make light of, the killing of our soldiers, and Canada's own, you have clearly shown where your loyalties lie.
Talking at you is a waste of screen.

Rhetoric won't save your sorry ass on this one. Nice try though...sort of. Back to the milking machine. Emp, you crack me up when you fall apart. I see in your profile you consider yourself somewhat of a writer. Perhaps it is time to find a better day job.

[bluemoney]

I'm done reading this thread . . . let me know when the movie comes out

[softball]

Originally Posted by bluemoney

I'm done reading this thread . . . let me know when the movie comes out

You will read about it on CNN when Emp shoots himself in the foot loading his peashooter to defend his castle against Americans.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You will read about it on CNN when Emp shoots himself in the foot loading his peashooter to defend his castle against Americans.

Ya know, every time I think there is hope for you, and start replying to some inane comment you've made, I think "Ya know, I'm just talking to a jackass."

Even the very rare time when you say anything neutral never lasts. Ultimately, you head right over to idiot land.

I just have to stop paying attention to you.

Gonzo? Is there a way to turn off certain person's comments, as was referred to about GFY's board?
It's long past time to turn off rhetoric. I'd really like to do that if possible.
The rest of you can deal with him, he's just a waste of time.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Ya know, every time I think there is hope for you, and start replying to some inane comment you've made, I think "Ya know, I'm just talking to a jackass."

Even the very rare time when you say anything neutral never lasts. Ultimately, you head right over to idiot land.

I just have to stop paying attention to you.

Gonzo? Is there a way to turn off certain person's comments, as was referred to about GFY's board?
It's long past time to turn off rhetoric. I'd really like to do that if possible.
The rest of you can deal with him, he's just a waste of time.

You see, Emp, I think your posts are right wing, fascist crap. I could say the same thing about you. You are well over the deep end and guys like you carry weapons way more dangerous than that Saturday night special you pack in your cowboy boot. You have a vote. And look at the mess the world is in when you use it. I maybe vociferous, but you are dangerous. So, IMHO, your posts are whacko, flippo, and sometimes outrageous. I could put you on ignore. You could do the same. Be my guest. But your curiosity will get the better of you. It always does. Take responsiblilty for your life. Just don't read what I post. You don't need others to make that decision for you. Just Say No.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

You see, Emp, I think your posts are right wing, fascist crap. I could say the same thing about you. You are well over the deep end and guys like you carry weapons way more dangerous than that Saturday night special you pack in your cowboy boot. You have a vote. And look at the mess the world is in when you use it. I maybe vociferous, but you are dangerous. So, IMHO, your posts are whacko, flippo, and sometimes outrageous. I could put you on ignore. You could do the same. Be my guest. But your curiosity will get the better of you. It always does. Take responsiblilty for your life. Just don't read what I post. You don't need others to make that decision for you. Just Say No.

I know what you think about my opinions. I just don't care. And that's right, I HAVE a vote. You don't. I think you are a frustrated Canadian. You WANT to be an American, but you know you can't, so you despise us. I've seen that attitude from up there, and I understand it's a stereotype.
Quite honestly, I never had anything to do with Canada before I was in the adult online biz. (Beyond the odd coin that would show up in my vending machines.)

I like Canada just fine, and most Canadians, just not you.
And no, my curiosity will NOT get the better of me. I would be quite content to never see another post of yours.

[softball]

And that's right, I HAVE a vote. You don't. I think you are a frustrated Canadian. You WANT to be an American, but you know you can't, so you despise us. I've seen that attitude from up there, and I understand it's a stereotype.

WTF are you talking about? Of course I have a vote. I actually have two votes. One in England and one in Canada. I don't despise Americans. I like Americans. I just dislike ugly conservative ignorant Americans (same for ugly conservative ignorant Canadians, Brits, French....etc.) I was married to an American woman and could easily have had my US citizenship and lived a happy life in Seattle, so once again, my egotistical overinflated American friend, you shoot yourself in the foot. Another argument for gun control. Now go and slither back into your "factory" and get to work and help out your troubled economy and forget about firing non sequturs like they are bullets. Your aim is lousy.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

WTF are you talking about? Of course I have a vote. I actually have two votes. One in England and one in Canada. I don't despise Americans. I like Americans. I just dislike ugly conservative ignorant Americans (same for ugly conservative ignorant Canadians, Brits, French....etc.) I was married to an American woman and could easily have had my US citizenship and lived a happy life in Seattle, so once again, my egotistical overinflated American friend, you shoot yourself in the foot. Another argument for gun control. Now go and slither back into your "factory" and get to work and help out your troubled economy and forget about firing non sequturs like they are bullets. Your aim is lousy.

With you, it always degenerates into personal attacks. At the end of the day, that's all you have.
2 votes in monarchies do not equal one vote in an American Democracy.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

2 votes in monarchies do not equal one vote in an American Democracy.

Monarchies?? We don't live in Saudi Arabia or Swaziland!!

We're a Commonwealth Realm with the monarch as just a ceremonial figurehead but holding no legal or official status.

Actually the US with it's individual head of state is closer to the concept of monarchy that we are. We have a party in power who's leader is the Prime Minister and only holds power for as long as his party allows it. It does keep thing much more democratic and he can't "veto" things or act on his own like your President can. We can also toss him quite easily if we feel he isn't doing his job. We don't need to wait 4 years for that, but can do it whenever we feel he isn't doing the right thing. It is a true democratic process. As has been illustrated by the last seven and a half years, you guys have a dictator who does what he likes, even when it's fully against the will of the majority of the people. I've never really found that to be overly democratic.

[RawAlex]

Unlimited democracy is in the end just as dangerous (and useless) as unlimited socialism.

The right to bear arms is the right to infringe on everyone else's security. But unlimited democracy brings unlimited selfishness, it seems.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

With you, it always degenerates into personal attacks. At the end of the day, that's all you have.
2 votes in monarchies do not equal one vote in an American Democracy.

You arrogant little prick. You didn't invent democracy. I live in a country with more freedom than you and we actually elect our representatives, not an electoral college. You are everything the world dislikes about Americans. Arrogant. Uneducated. Ugly. Dude, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Before anyone goes berserk.....I am pointing out that Emp is a stereotype that is disdained around the world.
Britain and Canada have a figure head queen. You, who have no idea about the world, have no idea what I am talking about, though I would assume most here would. I have a feeling you refer to the sixth grade as your senior and you skipped every social studies and geography class the other five years. What ignorant fucking crap.

[softball]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

Monarchies?? We don't live in Saudi Arabia or Swaziland!!

We're a Commonwealth Realm with the monarch as just a ceremonial figurehead but holding no legal or official status.

Actually the US with it's individual head of state is closer to the concept of monarchy that we are. We have a party in power who's leader is the Prime Minister and only holds power for as long as his party allows it. It does keep thing much more democratic and he can't "veto" things or act on his own like your President can. We can also toss him quite easily if we feel he isn't doing his job. We don't need to wait 4 years for that, but can do it whenever we feel he isn't doing the right thing. It is a true democratic process. As has been illustrated by the last seven and a half years, you guys have a dictator who does what he likes, even when it's fully against the will of the majority of the people. I've never really found that to be overly democratic.

I find it pathetic that you have to actually explain this to educated people.

[Gerco]

What's all the arguing about over this. I think is basically point of view dependent on your location. I grew up in rural North Dakota. Everyone out there has a gun. We used them for hunting, and protection. I highly doubt you could goto any farm out there was not armed. We took guns as seriously then as we do now and TRAINED people how to use them in hunter safety classes and hands on training. Going to school, I would have to guess that there where at least 50 if not a lot more guns of all types sitting in the parking lot at any given time. Hell, I had 3 in mine. My 20 gauge pump, a 10/22 ruger rifle, and a 12 gauge semi auto. Each gun had a purpose and was use regularly. I personally was never big on hand guns, since they didn't have any real use in hunting etc, but I do have many friends who use them at ranges and such for target practice. Don't be fooled by the guns aren't dangerous people are crap... even in the hands of someone trained to use them, they can still be deadly. I took a 22 in the leg while target shooting with friends (bounced off something) have no idea what really as we where shooting off the top of a wooden fence... Still have the perfect round scar. Could have been much worse though. Today, I stay away from guns for the most part. I still own 3, but they have not been out of their cases in over 20 years. (plus they are stored at my fathers some 1100 miles away). That said, I still plan on getting a new shotgun soon, since I'm moving out to country again and don't want to be out there without some sort of protection if I needed it. The last thing I want is for some fucking meth heads showing up at my front door in the middle of the night without having something to defend myself with. (Course the fact that I have 2 great danes and a coon/dane mix and 2 more Danes on the way, should in theory keep just about any unwelcome person at bay.) My Brindle male is 190 pound of pure muscle and very protective of his yard and I know a lot of people that talk big about guns that would think twice about having HIM go off...

[RawAlex]

Gergo, I don't think anyone is denying people the right to have rifles for hunting or similar. You pick it correctly, the issue wasn't that at all, rather the carrying of handguns into the inner city (in this case Washington) where the murder rate is just insane.

One of the biggest mistakes that responsible people make is assuming that everyone else is responsible. It just isn't the case, please consider the number of children that die at the hands of their parents each year for stupid things like leaving them in a hot car or not being bothered to properly take care of them. With the number of "meth heads", gang members, and just generally out of control or irresponsible people, it is amazing only that more people don't get killed with handguns every year.

You cannot (reliably) use a handgun for hunting anything except humans. They have little reason to exist, and controlling the flow of handguns while not limiting the generic (apparent) right to bear arms should be maintained. After all, if the government can limit things like automatic machine guns or similar, why is it such a big jump to limit handguns?

My thought is the governments should pass a law that says "you have the right to bear arms, but all handguns must be bright pink in color, and must have a loud beeper that goes off every 5 seconds so other people can spot your weapon more easily". Suddenly guns wouldn't be cool.

[Hell Puppy]

This is why I only do these threads once a year.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by DannyCox

Monarchies?? We don't live in Saudi Arabia or Swaziland!!

We're a Commonwealth Realm with the monarch as just a ceremonial figurehead but holding no legal or official status.

Actually the US with it's individual head of state is closer to the concept of monarchy that we are. We have a party in power who's leader is the Prime Minister and only holds power for as long as his party allows it. It does keep thing much more democratic and he can't "veto" things or act on his own like your President can. We can also toss him quite easily if we feel he isn't doing his job. We don't need to wait 4 years for that, but can do it whenever we feel he isn't doing the right thing. It is a true democratic process. As has been illustrated by the last seven and a half years, you guys have a dictator who does what he likes, even when it's fully against the will of the majority of the people. I've never really found that to be overly democratic.

Don't get too tightly wound up Danny...I was making a symbolic point to an asshole.

And, it of course, sent him spinning.
It's just no fun anymore,.....he's too predictable.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Don't get too tightly wound up Danny...I was making a symbolic point to an asshole.

And, it of course, sent him spinning.
It's just no fun anymore,.....he's too predictable.

You weren't making a symbolic point. You have just been handed an education.....on a porn board or all places. Emp, that is pathetic. You should try reading "books" ( things with a whole bunch of paper stuck together with "words" on each piece). Inside these "books" is information on the rest of the world. No Wal Mart commercials(sorry) and you might learn something about your neighbours, the forty or so countires that are North America.
As well their is information on exotic places like "Europe" and "Asia"....places where you might feel uncomfortable as in most you won't be able to pack your "piece" and feel safe like down in the holler there.

[ali25extreme]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Is this for carry?

yes it is for personal carry!

[softball]

Hey Emp. I have a suggestion. Why don't you do what most bald old men do....get a vette. You get more chicks (you remember them don't you?) than playing Dirty Harry and flashing your pea shooter.