Has beens, never was, and wannabes

[spazlabz]

spazlabz <--------never was
I never made $30k a week, i can claim no millions in net worth ever in my life. The nicest vehicle I have ever owned I own right now (its a ford explorer no big deal... nice family SUV). I have never come on this board to stir up shit, or call any one names or brag about what I have accomplished. I remember Labrat (intentional misspelling there) and having good times debating him for days. I rememver confucy and all the joy she brought into our lives. But when I first came here it was gonzo who invited me.

Funny thing about that, as Gonzo was telling me I should start to post I said 'No way, the board is the most unwelcoming board I have seen with one noteable exception' He assured me that it wouldnt be a problem, and it never was.

I never pissed with anyone really. I remember Trev welcoming on my first post quite well... his was the first reply, hows that for a good memory? I cant remember what I had for dinner last night though LOL

But I saw a flaw here that pretty much kept me much less involved then i would have liked, then what I owe to Gonzo for the different deals we have worked out, the flaw is that there is a lot of talk about business being done on this board, but no business being done on this board.

This should be a resource. Yeah, people with less exsperience come here to learn and network. But very few answers have been given in the past to questions asked. And when answers were forthcoming, they came from people who were/are relatively new to the board.

As someone said yesterday, the 'old timers' here don't actually give answers to questions, they 'point' people 'in the right direction'. Your an arrogant mother fucker to take that POV in my opinion, and useless to the rest of the industry.

Right now this board is populated with Has beens, never was and wannabes and for it to be a good resource board almost every ones attitude has to change.

Has beens - you ned to wake up and realize that your 'glory days' are behind you. Thats not to say that you dont have the resources to be powerhouse players once again, but for whatever reason you choose to be less active. You have a ton of valueable knowledge that does no good unless it is shared

never was - realize, like i did that the pond is huge and your no more then a guppy fart floating in a sea of floatsom. once you realize your shit does stink you can pull your head out of your asses and contribute a LOT to this board. Newbies need your help and the old timers can teach you. Combine it altogether and maybe you can be a guppy

wannabes (newbies) fuck what anyone else says, every single one of us were newbies. No one was born knowing how to turn pics into cash, or how to generate a huge volume of traffic nor were they born making $30 a week in this industry. Ask your questions, see who answers. Some people are descent and want to help while others are egomaniacal immature putred fuckers. Identify which is which and get the most value for your time here.

To those that are spending their time name calling, insulting others and general attempts at mayhem. It may not matter to you what other people think of you for various reasons. But if the only contribution you can make to a board of proffessionals is that quality of posts, then I would exspect you to not exist here much longer.

here is a suggestion. Oprano wants to be a true webmaster resouce board, let it. The old guard, regardless of how much time you have spent here, you do not own or control the board any longer. A company that is way bigger then you ever managed in your best days controls this board. Why not, and this is a friendly suggestion here, just get a script and open your own board where you can socialize together like the good ole days. Adapt or go, those are the only two choices i see for members of this board right now. Ask Nick or Ant.

spaz

[spazlabz]

DAMN thats way longer then I expected or wanted. And i tried to keep it as concise as possible sooooo

sorry for the long post

spaz

[Toby]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

DAMN thats way longer then I expected or wanted. And i tried to keep it as concise as possible sooooo

sorry for the long post

spaz

No apologies necessary, I think you've just spoken for a great many of us.

[Winetalk.com]

Spaz, you are all wrong. The masses never decide anything, it's the direction and actions of the leaders who shape the societies, big and small. Only new owners can change the direction where Oprano is going and your apeal to the masses is only good for ass wipe.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

Spaz, you are all wrong. The masses never decide anything, it's the direction and actions of the leaders who shape the societies, big and small. Only new owners can change the direction where Oprano is going and your apeal to the masses is only good for ass wipe.

Ok, but the point is, your not a leader any longer Serge. The only ones you lead are the ones who contribute nothing. Adapt.


spaz

[gonzo]

Oprano is turning a corner...adapt is a great one word motto.
But we have chosen "redefine".

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Oprano is turning a corner...adapt is a great one word motto.
But we have chosen "redefine".

I sincerely hope so bro, I really do. The potential for greatness has always been here i hope i can watch it achieve it.


spaz

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Toby

No apologies necessary, I think you've just spoken for a great many of us.

and Thank you Toby, I hope there are more of us that come out and voice whats on our minds.


spaz

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Oprano is turning a corner...adapt is a great one word motto.
But we have chosen "redefine".

Good Luck. I hope the new definition will be successful.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

Ok, but the point is, your not a leader any longer Serge. The only ones you lead are the ones who contribute nothing. Adapt.


spaz

of course, I am not, I am a retiree and the one who pisses on peons like you for entertaintment. Is there anything wrong with that?

I am not a leader, but I know where the current leaders are going, relax, peon, as I'll always pee on you, you might get used to it.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

Spaz, you are all wrong. The masses never decide anything, it's the direction and actions of the leaders who shape the societies, big and small. Only new owners can change the direction where Oprano is going and your apeal to the masses is only good for ass wipe.

What a load of bollocks.

[Winetalk.com]

Graham Craker, did she abort your fetuses because of your small dick or brain?

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

of course, I am not, I am a retiree and the one who pisses on peons like you for entertaintment. Is there anything wrong with that?

I am not a leader, but I know where the current leaders are going, relax, peon, as I'll always pee on you, you might get used to it.

LOL
Serge, I swear, you crack me up man you really do. I would like to thank you for illustrating my point perfectly. I knew if anyone could do it, it would be you.


spaz

[Winetalk.com]

ok, Spaz, you win,
the place is yours,
do what you please without my piss. From now on I'll only pee on the head of Graham Cracker.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

ok, Spaz, you win,
the place is yours,
do what you please without my piss. From now on I'll only pee on the head of Graham Cracker.

alright, whatever you fucking planning aint gonna work got it!
I am fast for a fat fuck Serge, I'm serious!
I can outrun you to the kitchen any day of the week and three times on Sunday so whatever your planning with this whole
"ok, Spaz, you win"
bullshit aint gonna work
it wont
now i'm scared! LOL

spaz

[Winetalk.com]

idiot....

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

idiot....

you missed the joke Serge, I was commenting that you never
ever
EVER
say to anyone "you win"
this uncharacteristic reply frightens me

so no, i am not an idiot, just on a different wavelength then you on that one man


spaz

[Winetalk.com]

why did you think I was talking to or about you?

[Jace]

after the first post you all lost me

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Jace

after the first post you all lost me

You know with that avatar Serge is going to ask to see tits.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

why did you think I was talking to or about you?

it followed my post with no quote so i
FUCK ME D'oh
assumed the 'idiot' thing was directed at me, which i am sad to say, is not unprecedented LOL

spaz

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

it followed my post with no quote so i
FUCK ME D'oh
assumed the 'idiot' thing was directed at me, which i am sad to say, is not unprecedented LOL

spaz

Spaz give it up man... he knows about the Dunkin Donut thing.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Spaz give it up man... he knows about the Dunkin Donut thing.

DD Rules man
Death to KK

spaz

[Timon]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

wannabes (newbies) fuck what anyone else says, every single one of us were newbies. No one was born knowing how to turn pics into cash, or how to generate a huge volume of traffic nor were they born making $30 a week in this industry. Ask your questions, see who answers. Some people are descent and want to help while others are egomaniacal immature putred fuckers. Identify which is which and get the most value for your time here.

Quite frankly there are 100 other boards for newbies to get advice on how to FTP their picpost galleries to their freehosts.

Oprano's edge is, or used to be, that a lot of old timers hang out here, and a lot of colorful characters who can make for some pretty interesting and funny reading, and if you have a legitimate business question (for example "please review my paysite and give me tips on how to close more sales" instead of "teach me how to start my own tgp gallery") you used to be able to get some pretty valuable advice here.

IMO this is Oprano's only edge, lose that and Oprano just becomes another one of the hundreds of generic webmaster boards for 'never_has_beens' and 'never_will_bees' to talk about TGP's. In other words a place with nothing interesting to read for people with real traffic, and nothing to offer to its sponsors but geocities peons with 10 clicks a day of garbage tgp traffic.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by gonzo

You know with that avatar Serge is going to ask to see tits.

well, like everyone else, he can either pay for it, or promote it....and since I seriously doubt he could do the latter, there is only one option left

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Timon

Oprano's edge is, or used to be, that a lot of old timers hang out here, and a lot of colorful characters who can make for some pretty interesting and funny reading, and if you have a legitimate business question

Agreed, why would anyone go to war with 1000 sheep instead of 10 lions?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Agreed, why would anyone go to war with 1000 sheep instead of 10 lions?

Sounded more like a fridge door slamming than a war.

Fistfights are for schoolyards....

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Fistfights are for schoolyards....

Crybabies belong in the kindergarden....

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Crybabies belong in the kindergarden....

Indeed!

[Bishop]

Good post Spaz.. things will change here because it has to. It is a natural evolution.

[Timon]

Originally Posted by Bishop

Good post Spaz.. things will change here because it has to. It is a natural evolution.

That's right, natural selection will eliminate weaklings from the gene pool and morons from business.

RIP OPRANO

[JR]

Originally Posted by Timon

IMO this is Oprano's only edge, lose that and Oprano just becomes another one of the hundreds of generic webmaster boards for 'never_has_beens' and 'never_will_bees' to talk about TGP's. In other words a place with nothing interesting to read for people with real traffic, and nothing to offer to its sponsors but geocities peons with 10 clicks a day of garbage tgp traffic.

in all fairness, Netpond went from a ghost town to having a pretty active board with a whole new crowd of unknowns. but at the same time, they have never made money either. i think it could be argued that without having so many people on the payroll in the beginning, they would have never gotten it back off the ground. now that they have a lot of posters and a lot going on.. its too late.

i do think it can be done. it would take a couple years, some interesting personalities, interesting content and a lot of time and attention and care. but i don't believe it can be done by putting the site on autopilot as bishop discussed. i believe there are too many other resource sites that will always be 10 times more than the one they hope to create

i think forums are communities... not resource sites. forums have always been a place where people meet and interact and find some distraction.

the funny thing about the attitudes here is that no one has done the wise thing, shown some leadership and just said "here's what we want to do, ... please help us". i know i would have... instead all i have heard again and again is "we're making changes, if you don't like it... then fuck off" which is not only contradictory, but a pretty clear indication of where things are heading.

i think this place peaked with serge and mike because it was interesting and entertaining... and only went downhill each effort at reinventing the wheel.

i wish gonzo all the best. i really like him. i don't know bishop. but guys, you have to be real... you can't build something substantial without being deeply involved in it or else hiring passionate, interesting and respected people that will be... forums require charismatic and interesting people just as much as they require new blood.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Timon

That's right, natural selection will eliminate weaklings from the gene pool and morons from business.

RIP OPRANO

We shall see Timon. If it doesn't work it will all be my fault and I'm fine with that.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by JR

i wish gonzo all the best. i really like him. i don't know bishop. but guys, you have to be real... you can't build something substantial without being deeply involved in it or else hiring passionate, interesting and respected people that will be... forums require charismatic and interesting people just as much as they require new blood.

JR.. I hear what your saying. I know it seems that nobody is "deeply involved" but that is not the case. We simply have not made the changes yet. There are other projects that out ranking Oprano today. As the days go buy things will change. I understand that everyone would like to see the changes take place quickly.

Reading between the lines is always a pain in the ass on the boards.. soon there won't be any lines to read between. Everything will be perfectly clear.. forever.

[Timon]

JR, Nick ICQ-ed me to say you are just chicken to get banned

[JR]

i could care less. i have nothing to lose. i dont have a single adult site now and work full time on my magazine. its just a shame.. for many, it has been a part of us and our daily routines for years.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by JR

in all fairness, Netpond went from a ghost town to having a pretty active board with a whole new crowd of unknowns. but at the same time, they have never made money either. i think it could be argued that without having so many people on the payroll in the beginning, they would have never gotten it back off the ground. now that they have a lot of posters and a lot going on.. its too late.

i do think it can be done. it would take a couple years, some interesting personalities, interesting content and a lot of time and attention and care. but i don't believe it can be done by putting the site on autopilot as bishop discussed. i believe there are too many other resource sites that will always be 10 times more than the one they hope to create

i think forums are communities... not resource sites. forums have always been a place where people meet and interact and find some distraction.

the funny thing about the attitudes here is that no one has done the wise thing, shown some leadership and just said "here's what we want to do, ... please help us". i know i would have... instead all i have heard again and again is "we're making changes, if you don't like it... then fuck off" which is not only contradictory, but a pretty clear indication of where things are heading.

i think this place peaked with serge and mike because it was interesting and entertaining... and only went downhill each effort at reinventing the wheel.

i wish gonzo all the best. i really like him. i don't know bishop. but guys, you have to be real... you can't build something substantial without being deeply involved in it or else hiring passionate, interesting and respected people that will be... forums require charismatic and interesting people just as much as they require new blood.

I recall the same argument on Netpond during that period. Over the past 6 months or so I have certainly come to understand Meat a whole lot better.

JR I have enjoyed talking with you over the past few years if it was ICQ or even a few hours on the radio. I recall the bulk of our conversations were centered around "coloring outside the lines". That being said I think you will see that Ive stayed true to form.

I cant speak for Bishop but I have often stated and shown just how deeply involved I am with this entity. I have always done what I felt was the best for this board no matter how difficult it was.

This is no exception.

[Timon]

Originally Posted by Bishop

We shall see Timon. If it doesn't work it will all be my fault and I'm fine with that.

Removing threads is a sign of insecurity, and insecurity is a sign of weakness.... Darwin is knocking on your door

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Timon

Removing threads is a sign of insecurity, and insecurity is a sign of weakness.... Darwin is knocking on your door

I haven't removed a thread lately. Gonzo may have.. I'm sure he had his reasons.

Removing two posters from a message board is not the end of anyones world. It doesn't make any difference. The world is still spinning. It isn't worth stressing about. I'm sure everyone has better things to do.. its just drama and fun to watch I understand.

[Timon]

Originally Posted by Bishop

I haven't removed a thread lately.

Two threads of mine disapeared to the "swims with the fishes" section in the last 30 minutes

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Timon

Two threads of mine disapeared to the "swims with the fishes" section in the last 30 minutes

Wasn't me.. I'll go read them though.

[Timon]

I would have banned Nick too if I was you, he's a racist

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Timon

I would have banned Nick too if I was you, he's a racist

Not the Nick I know..

[Timon]

Originally Posted by Bishop

Not the Nick I know..

Oh he is believe me, and he shits on carpets too

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Timon

Oh he is believe me, and he shits on carpets too

He does shit on carpet.

[Timon]

Originally Posted by Bishop

He does shit on carpet.

And he wipes his ass with the curtains..... it's just nasty!

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Timon

And he wipes his ass with the curtains..... it's just nasty!

I have not witnessed that.

[Timon]

Originally Posted by Bishop

I have not witnessed that.

Most people haven't... he waits till people leave and blames it on the dog, but last night he took a crapper in plain view!