Is Old School Relevant?

softball · 03-10-2006

Personally, I think old school internet is dead and buried. It only worked for a shining moment of about 18 months when a trained gorilla could get rich. So what does old school have to offer in 2006? I say nothing really. An bunch of guys who won the lottery but had no idea of real business. The past management of this board are a prime example...moving tons and tons of worthless traffic to pump up advertising revenue and hope to survive another year which they could not.
A few survived and invested wisely. But a few always will.
I argue that they hang around these boards telling "when we" stories about dial ups and bbs's and how much money they made. But their tactics no longer work.
There is no traffic vs content debate. There never was....except for a brief period when traffic was king (remember those 18 months?). Today the porn business has to follow the rules of any real world business. Quality product at a good price point. Solid advertising to drive traffic. A well thought out website with great navigation. And most importantly great customer service with phone back up as well as email.
There is no cheap and easy way into this business anymore. I would guess that most of the old school would fail if they were hanging out their shingle today.
I see far too much get rich quick shit and really crappy proggys littering the web to take most of it seriously.
No wonder so many are crying in their beer and not making money. Hell I wish all the part timers would disappear and leave it to us who actually make our living on the internet. Not likely because someone will always come along to replace the last failure.

JoesHO · 03-10-2006

You should promote www.earlmiller.com we believe in the new day !

softball · 03-10-2006

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Originally Posted by JoesHO

You should promote www.earlmiller.com we believe in the new day !

I am sure you do. Good luck to you. Sorry, can't help you with your earl deal. I only promote my own work.

Mike AI · 03-10-2006

Sounds like someone is a little bitter....

Successful Entrepreneurs recoginize opportunities faster, and capitalize on them better then others.

Old timers is a misnomer. In the modern digital economy, the ability to change quickly, capture efficiencies, and understand concepts of free-market capitalism enables people to be successful.

Success is not a destination, but a journey.

Mike AI · 03-10-2006

I decided to edit this post. No need to give pearls away to morons.

Dianna Vesta · 03-10-2006

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Originally Posted by Mike AI

Successful Entrepreneurs recoginize opportunities faster, and capitalize on them better then others.

Old timers is a misnomer. In the modern digital economy, the ability to change quickly, capture efficiencies, and understand concepts of free-market capitalism enables people to be successful.

Success is not a destination, but a journey.

Damn right!

TheEnforcer · 03-10-2006

Old school people that are still around can send sizeable traffic to your program should they think ti will work for them. Many do recognize opportunities quicker than the new folks. Old timers doesn't necessarily mean out of touch. They can also give good advice on what pitfalls to avoid and other things of that nature.

One of the biggest mistakes people make is equating old in a negative way. Old timers, whether it be in business or in life, bring a lot to the table that the younger set doesn't even know yet. Some obviously don't adapt as well as other or take their millions and get out but the ones who stick around and are successful still have a TON to offer. Even the people who got out have a ton of advice and other things people can learn from.

Jace · 03-10-2006

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Originally Posted by Mike AI

Sounds like someone is a little bitter....

Successful Entrepreneurs recoginize opportunities faster, and capitalize on them better then others.

Old timers is a misnomer. In the modern digital economy, the ability to change quickly, capture efficiencies, and understand concepts of free-market capitalism enables people to be successful.

Success is not a destination, but a journey.

that is a really great way to look at things and to be man

Dravyk · 03-10-2006

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Originally Posted by Mike AI

Successful Entrepreneurs recoginize opportunities faster, and capitalize on them better then others.

Oldtimers means "experienced". Experience is a tremendous aid in both seeing recurring patterns in new environments as well as giving more info to use for "gut instinct".

Mike AI · 03-10-2006

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Originally Posted by Dravyk

Oldtimers means "experienced". Experience is a tremendous aid in both seeing recurring patterns in new environments as well as giving more info to use for "gut instinct".

This your way of saying its time for me to go on a diet again???

New Orleans always puts the pounds on me.

Vick · 03-10-2006

History is always relevant
Those who don't learn from it are doomed to relive it in many cases

Traffic is always king and will always be king but
Please see this thread http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=46350 for more on that

Dravyk · 03-11-2006

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Originally Posted by Mike AI

This your way of saying its time for me to go on a diet again???

New Orleans always puts the pounds on me.

Do they have food there yet since Katrina?

I've heard all the billions Dubya allegedly sent, no one can find it having been used anywhere. Stories about refrigerators stuck atop trees is apparently not an uncommon sight even today. The trees that are still standing, that is.

JoesHO · 03-11-2006

fact of life and of history......

what was , is what was, and what is, is what is .....

But the best is always yet to come.

I agree with Mike on the respect that smart people see this before anyone else and make the proper moves to capitolize on it .

the people with old rhetoric never did it with any success anyway, it was the old peole that recognized something new and jumped on iot first and best that were /are successful.

the trick is to listen to all, then weed out the bullshit and make the best move you can...

Hell Puppy · 03-11-2006

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Originally Posted by Dravyk

Do they have food there yet since Katrina?

Ya know, I was considering some gulf coast seafood the other day and I actually paused.... Gotta wonder if there are any 3 eyed fish in the Gulf as a result of eating and living in New Orleans dirty bath water for the past few months...

Hell Puppy · 03-11-2006

As for old school and old timers, this biz mirrors any other....

Times change, and anything relating to technology changes FAST....

The smart, the bold and those who are driven will adapt. The best of them will seize new opportunities as a result of change and climb even higher.

Others will just go along for the ride and do whatever everyone else does. They'll always be a little behind the curve, but they'll work hard and make a living.

And then there are those who refuse to change. They'll get passed by completely, and they'll be doomed to sit on the porch pining for the good old days and bitching about the way things have changed.

IMO there's a lot of people in this biz sitting on the porch bitching. They didn't have to work hard or smart for their money, never learned how to do it, and now cant or wont. It's harsh reality to realize that you now need to do a 60 hour week to make a fraction of what you did working 10 hours a week in 1999.

Mike AI · 03-11-2006

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Originally Posted by Dravyk

Do they have food there yet since Katrina?

I've heard all the billions Dubya allegedly sent, no one can find it having been used anywhere. Stories about refrigerators stuck atop trees is apparently not an uncommon sight even today. The trees that are still standing, that is.

A little over exageration on all points.

Even post-Katrina New Orleans is still one of the food capitols of the world.

http://nomenu.com to see what places are open.

We are back in Florida now. But we hit Cuvee ( our favorite reasturant in New Orleans), Galitiore's ( celebrating their 100th birthday this year), Bon Tomp Cafe, Mother's, GW Fins while in town. All were outstanding!

03-10-2006	#1
softball Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,165	Is Old School Relevant? Personally, I think old school internet is dead and buried. It only worked for a shining moment of about 18 months when a trained gorilla could get rich. So what does old school have to offer in 2006? I say nothing really. An bunch of guys who won the lottery but had no idea of real business. The past management of this board are a prime example...moving tons and tons of worthless traffic to pump up advertising revenue and hope to survive another year which they could not. A few survived and invested wisely. But a few always will. I argue that they hang around these boards telling "when we" stories about dial ups and bbs's and how much money they made. But their tactics no longer work. There is no traffic vs content debate. There never was....except for a brief period when traffic was king (remember those 18 months?). Today the porn business has to follow the rules of any real world business. Quality product at a good price point. Solid advertising to drive traffic. A well thought out website with great navigation. And most importantly great customer service with phone back up as well as email. There is no cheap and easy way into this business anymore. I would guess that most of the old school would fail if they were hanging out their shingle today. I see far too much get rich quick shit and really crappy proggys littering the web to take most of it seriously. No wonder so many are crying in their beer and not making money. Hell I wish all the part timers would disappear and leave it to us who actually make our living on the internet. Not likely because someone will always come along to replace the last failure.

03-10-2006	#2
JoesHO Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,085	Re: Is Old School Relevant? You should promote www.earlmiller.com we believe in the new day ! __________________ AEBN THE GLOBAL LEADER IN ADULT EVOLUTION something FIT this way comes!

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Mike AI Administrator Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 11,618	Re: Is Old School Relevant? Sounds like someone is a little bitter.... Successful Entrepreneurs recoginize opportunities faster, and capitalize on them better then others. Old timers is a misnomer. In the modern digital economy, the ability to change quickly, capture efficiencies, and understand concepts of free-market capitalism enables people to be successful. Success is not a destination, but a journey. __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

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Mike AI Administrator Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 11,618	Re: Is Old School Relevant? I decided to edit this post. No need to give pearls away to morons. __________________ Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!

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TheEnforcer Scored VIP to Anton's Piss Tank Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,781	Re: Is Old School Relevant? Old school people that are still around can send sizeable traffic to your program should they think ti will work for them. Many do recognize opportunities quicker than the new folks. Old timers doesn't necessarily mean out of touch. They can also give good advice on what pitfalls to avoid and other things of that nature. One of the biggest mistakes people make is equating old in a negative way. Old timers, whether it be in business or in life, bring a lot to the table that the younger set doesn't even know yet. Some obviously don't adapt as well as other or take their millions and get out but the ones who stick around and are successful still have a TON to offer. Even the people who got out have a ton of advice and other things people can learn from.

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Vick Celebrating Company's Success with A Beer From Mini Bar Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Little South of Sanity Posts: 6,551	Re: Is Old School Relevant? History is always relevant Those who don't learn from it are doomed to relive it in many cases Traffic is always king and will always be king but Please see this thread http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=46350 for more on that __________________ Pssst Click the Button Above I once wanted to be a Gynecologist But I couldn't find an opening

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JoesHO Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,085	Re: Is Old School Relevant? fact of life and of history...... what was , is what was, and what is, is what is ..... But the best is always yet to come. I agree with Mike on the respect that smart people see this before anyone else and make the proper moves to capitolize on it . the people with old rhetoric never did it with any success anyway, it was the old peole that recognized something new and jumped on iot first and best that were /are successful. the trick is to listen to all, then weed out the bullshit and make the best move you can... __________________ AEBN THE GLOBAL LEADER IN ADULT EVOLUTION something FIT this way comes!

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Hell Puppy Fat Fucking Nobody Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,523	Re: Is Old School Relevant? As for old school and old timers, this biz mirrors any other.... Times change, and anything relating to technology changes FAST.... The smart, the bold and those who are driven will adapt. The best of them will seize new opportunities as a result of change and climb even higher. Others will just go along for the ride and do whatever everyone else does. They'll always be a little behind the curve, but they'll work hard and make a living. And then there are those who refuse to change. They'll get passed by completely, and they'll be doomed to sit on the porch pining for the good old days and bitching about the way things have changed. IMO there's a lot of people in this biz sitting on the porch bitching. They didn't have to work hard or smart for their money, never learned how to do it, and now cant or wont. It's harsh reality to realize that you now need to do a 60 hour week to make a fraction of what you did working 10 hours a week in 1999.