What was in that importrant note Bush passed to Condy ?

[sarettah]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...2587077477.jpg

[Nickatilynx]

""You dirty lil whore.
Wait til I get you in the limo.
I got the yeyo

;-) ""

[MorganGrayson]

Is there a *question mark* on that? Is he *asking* her if he needs one??????

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Is there a *question mark* on that? Is he *asking* her if he needs one??????

you're assuming bush can make decisions of that magnitude by himself...

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by XxXotic

you're assuming bush can make decisions of that magnitude by himself...

I want to see the note she passed *back.*


(And no, I don't believe any of this but it's fun to yack about.)

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

I want to see the note she passed *back.*


(And no, I don't believe any of this but it's fun to yack about.)

probably says

"we bought you those diapers for a reason"

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by XxXotic

probably says

"we bought you those diapers for a reason"

Which means *his* next note would say "Oh. What was the reason?"

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

And no, I don't believe any of this but it's fun to yack about.

Unfortunately though that is an actual reuters photo that made the wire yesterday and it is actually a note that Bush wrote and passed to Condy

Most good photographers can recognize a photo op when they see one.

[Red]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Is there a *question mark* on that? Is he *asking* her if he needs one??????

Maybe he just wasn't quite sure if it was his bladder he was feeling, or the tingling in his crotch over the confirmation hearings going so well. Though either way, the bathroom would come in handy.

[Winetalk.com]

I am sorry, but I just have to say that.

You, people, are still living in the greatest Democracy on Earth.

If you were discussing it, even in PRIVATE, in the old USSR,
I wouldn't see you anymore in the morning.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Unfortunately though that is an actual reuters photo that made the wire yesterday and it is actually a note that Bush wrote and passed to Condy

Most good photographers can recognize a photo op when they see one.

First of all, I'd like to say that the "Presidency" is an office. It's not a person. So this comment has nothing to do with an individual named Bush or what specifically he wrote on a note.

What freaks me out totally that photographers were allowed close enough to actually photograph a note made by the President.

And frankly, the temptation to write "let's bomb the fuckers" or something on a note would be overwhelming to someone with a sense of humor.

I very much need to believe the question mark meant "is this a good time to break or can you arrange it so that it is so that I don't piss down my leg?"

Other than that...total:

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

I am sorry, but I just have to say that.

You, people, are still living in the greatest Democracy on Earth.

If you were discussing it, even in PRIVATE, in the old USSR,
I wouldn't see you anymore in the morning.

democracy

this is a republic, not a democracy though 99% of americans are too dumb to realize this.

The Constitution guarantees to every state a Republican form of government (Art. 4, Sec. 4). No state may join the United States unless it is a Republic. Our Republic is one dedicated to "liberty and justice for all." Minority individual rights are the priority. The people have natural rights instead of civil rights. The people are protected by the Bill of Rights from the majority. One vote in a jury can stop all of the majority from depriving any one of the people of his rights; this would not be so if the United States were a democracy.

In a pure democracy 51 beats 49[%]. In a democracy there is no such thing as a significant minority: there are no minority rights except civil rights (privileges) granted by a condescending majority. Only five of the U.S. Constitution's first ten amendments apply to Citizens of the United States. Simply stated, a democracy is a dictatorship of the majority. Socrates was executed by a democracy: though he harmed no one, the majority found him intolerable.


Notice that in a Democracy, the sovereignty is in the whole body of the free citizens. The sovereignty is not divided to smaller units such as individual citizens. To solve a problem, only the whole body politic is authorized to act. Also, being citizens, individuals have duties and obligations to the government. The government's only obligations to the citizens are those legislatively pre-defined for it by the whole body politic.

In a Republic, the sovereignty resides in the people themselves, whether one or many. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives as he chooses to solve a problem. Further, the people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government being hired by the people, is obliged to its owner, the people.

[Winetalk.com]

your right,
USA is Republic.

My bad and nevetheless I stand corrected,
this Republic which allows you pound the President day after day is still much better than 99% of this world.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

your right,
USA is Republic.

My bad and nevetheless I stand corrected,
this Republic which allows you pound the President day after day is still much better than 99% of this world.

It's interesting to have Russian eyes view this nation. Serge, I'm most certain that you spend a lot of time muttering "you people have absolutely *no* clue, do you?"

My Russian doctor *loves* talking politics with my husband and I whenever we go in. He has an excitement about it that I lost a long time ago. I think you just made me understand him a bit better, Serge, and for that I thank you.


XxXotic...*deeply sad sigh* Where were you when my kids were in high school? I would have loved to have you sit in the back of the class and observe what was being taught. (I think it was when the teacher played "Spartacus" as a "history lesson" that I finally threw up my hands.) My kids learned all of this at the kitchen table during Daddy's rants.

OK, I got sidetracked.

That was a wonderful capsule definition of our governmental system. Thank you. You get an A+ and go to the head of the class.

Frequently, the kibbutz system in Israel is held up as an example of a "true" democracy that functions well. My sister and brother-in-law went to Israel on their honeymoon and visited some of his relatives in kibbutzes. I believe she said "democracy sucks" or something along those lines. My sister is definitely *not* the kibbutz type.

[Winetalk.com]

I'm most certain that you spend a lot of time muttering "you people have absolutely *no* clue, do you?"

yes! Glad you had political discussions with Russian,
you know EXACTLY my train of thought.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

I am sorry, but I just have to say that.

You, people, are still living in the greatest Democracy on Earth.

If you were discussing it, even in PRIVATE, in the old USSR,
I wouldn't see you anymore in the morning.

Thank you.

We Canadians try not to brag about it though

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

""You dirty lil whore.
Wait til I get you in the limo.
I got the yeyo

;-) ""

Forgot the rest ...

"P.S. - And don't forget, your Texas Daddy wants you to wear that leather and stillettos number again tonight."

[JR]

did i miss something? i thought it was some joke and i was struggling to read the text. then i saw the yahoo link and thought there must be a story behind it.

basically, it is a pic of a note saying he has to go potty and this made the news? this was an important event at the UN Summit?

is this guy so bad that we now have to monitor his bladder?

[Nickatilynx]

I thought it was a photshopped joke too...

[Dravyk]

Um, looking at that note, one must wonder many things.

The first though is ... why does "I think I may need a bathroom break" sentence have a question mark at the end of it ....

Doesn't he even know that answer without being fed through an earpiece???

[JR]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Um, looking at that note, one must wonder many things.

The first though is ... why does "I think I may need a bathroom break" sentence have a question mark at the end of it ....

Doesn't he even know that answer without being fed through an earpiece???

he only knows the answers when Gods tells him the answers.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by JR

he only knows the answers when Gods tells him the answers.

Ahhh.

Is that the God with the balding head, glasses and who answers to the name of "Dick"?

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Um, looking at that note, one must wonder many things.

The first though is ... why does "I think I may need a bathroom break" sentence have a question mark at the end of it ....

Doesn't he even know that answer without being fed through an earpiece???

See post #3, please.

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

See post #3, please.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

(I think this little guy is *so* cute! Today he's the "you're forgiven!" smilie. He's all excited about his new job. He wrote his Mom and everything.)

[ThrobX]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Forgot the rest ...

"P.S. - And don't forget, your Texas Daddy wants you to wear that leather and stillettos number again tonight."

Is it just me, or does she look like Dave Chappelle in drag in that photo?

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

(I think this little guy is *so* cute! Today he's the "you're forgiven!" smilie. He's all excited about his new job. He wrote his Mom and everything.)

I'm left speechless.

Well, no, actually I'm in a rotten, cranky, miserable mood and don't want to say anything mean, nor crack a smile either.

So I'll remain speechless. For now. I think.

Oh, here. This guy can go wave back at him all day. There.

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by sarettah

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...2587077477.jpg

that wasn't the real note, that's just a nasty photochop....

the real note read:
Condy, will you go out with me to the Annual Fuck Democracy Dance
Yes No
Please circle one and return
George "G-Dog" W Bush

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by ThrobX

Is it just me, or does she look like Dave Chappelle in drag in that photo?

Yer startin' to scare me there, son.






... Cause I'm startin' to see a resemblence too now.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

I'm left speechless.

Well, no, actually I'm in a rotten, cranky, miserable mood and don't want to say anything mean, nor crack a smile either.

So I'll remain speechless. For now. I think.

Oh, here. This guy can go wave back at him all day. There.

(He got all excited and determined to make you crack a smile. He's good like that.)

He likes waving back at your little friend.

(I'm in a rotten, cranky, miserable mood, on my husband's computer that has no speakers so I can't hear ICQ beep, I have physical things to do today that I'm not capable of doing and in general hate life. I fight back with relentless optimism, happiness and cute little smilies. It may be annoying, but it beats the shit out of a felony conviction. If I ever let go I think the neighbors would call the cops, nice people though they may be.)

[Dravyk]

Dunno. Sometimes a good aggrevated assault can be very stress relieving.

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

XxXotic...*deeply sad sigh* Where were you when my kids were in high school? I would have loved to have you sit in the back of the class and observe what was being taught. (I think it was when the teacher played "Spartacus" as a "history lesson" that I finally threw up my hands.) My kids learned all of this at the kitchen table during Daddy's rants.
.

It amazes me that they let complete morons mold our nation's children. I hate to sound cliche but the children ARE our future and we have a bunch of brain-dead "I teach because I can't do" morons as role models and educators. I've been kicked out of a few schools for correcting my idiot teachers. Something to be said when a student has to teach his teacher wtf they're talking about.


My mom wouldn't ever ask me what I learned at school, she'd ask me how many times I had to correct my teachers As badly as I want children, I really feel sorry for them having to grow up in this apathetic society.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Dunno. Sometimes a good aggrevated assault can be very stress relieving.

Actually...that was quite stress relieving.

Thanks.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by XxXotic

It amazes me that they let complete morons mold our nation's children. I hate to sound cliche but the children ARE our future and we have a bunch of brain-dead "I teach because I can't do" morons as role models and educators. I've been kicked out of a few schools for correcting my idiot teachers. Something to be said when a student has to teach his teacher wtf they're talking about.


My mom wouldn't ever ask me what I learned at school, she'd ask me how many times I had to correct my teachers As badly as I want children, I really feel sorry for them having to grow up in this apathetic society.

Despite the crap they tell you about all the "influences" on children, the buck *always* stops at home. You do it right and you always have more of an effect on your children than outside forces. My children are all adults now and some of the bitterness over their high school experiences have worn off. (Some.) They can laugh now. They say "of course I know that...but I learned it at home." My kids got their butts parked in front of the TV, too...but it was the Learning Channel, the Discovery Channel, PBS...the wealth of information available to educate your kids. Oh, and of course, the internet. And good old fashioned books. It may be an apathetic society...but you decide whether or not you want apathetic children. And when you do have kids and they're in school, volunteer for the PTA. You'll be *there* and you'll know more about what's going on in their school. Your kids will get treated differently. You kids will *know* when they've got an asshole teacher and react appropriately. They'll also know when they get a good one and make that teacher's life so much easier.

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Despite the crap they tell you about all the "influences" on children, the buck *always* stops at home. You do it right and you always have more of an effect on your children than outside forces. My children are all adults now and some of the bitterness over their high school experiences have worn off. (Some.) They can laugh now. They say "of course I know that...but I learned it at home." My kids got their butts parked in front of the TV, too...but it was the Learning Channel, the Discovery Channel, PBS...the wealth of information available to educate your kids. Oh, and of course, the internet. And good old fashioned books. It may be an apathetic society...but you decide whether or not you want apathetic children. And when you do have kids and they're in school, volunteer for the PTA. You'll be *there* and you'll know more about what's going on in their school. Your kids will get treated differently. You kids will *know* when they've got an asshole teacher and react appropriately. They'll also know when they get a good one and make that teacher's life so much easier.

I agree about everything stopping at home, but what sense does it make to send my kids to school then have to de-learn everything they've been taught and teach them again. I'm sending my kids to montessori schools then when they're old enough I think I'm going to home-school them just to avoid the hassle of them being taught by people who need a calculator to put 2 and 2 together

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by XxXotic

I agree about everything stopping at home, but what sense does it make to send my kids to school then have to de-learn everything they've been taught and teach them again. I'm sending my kids to montessori schools then when they're old enough I think I'm going to home-school them just to avoid the hassle of them being taught by people who need a calculator to put 2 and 2 together

Homeschooling has worked for a lot of people, especially since there are so many ways of getting children the "socialization" they need. (For a long time, that was the big "con" people used against homeschooling. Kids need to be around other kids, that's true, but a good soccer league or any of the many other things deals with that nicely.)

[Dravyk]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Actually...that was quite stress relieving.

Thanks.

Happy to oblige!!

Oh, and the bill is in the mail.

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by MorganGrayson

Homeschooling has worked for a lot of people, especially since there are so many ways of getting children the "socialization" they need. (For a long time, that was the big "con" people used against homeschooling. Kids need to be around other kids, that's true, but a good soccer league or any of the many other things deals with that nicely.)

i think I might like my kids to be loners, I don't want them to be infected by the stupidity that runs rampant now a days

[Winetalk.com]

Originally Posted by XxXotic

i think I might like my kids to be loners, I don't want them to be infected by the stupidity that runs rampant now a days

even nowadays the smart ones know how to turn the stupidity to their advantge


http://forums.winespectator.com/grou...61/m/574102423

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by Winetalk.com

even nowadays the smart ones know how to turn the stupidity to their advantge


http://forums.winespectator.com/grou...61/m/574102423

yeah but you're what? 75? you've got way more experience in dealing with idiots then say a 10 year old kid. There might just be too much stupidity out there for even a smart kid to handle.

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by XxXotic

It amazes me that they let complete morons mold our nation's children. I hate to sound cliche but the children ARE our future and we have a bunch of brain-dead "I teach because I can't do" morons as role models and educators. I've been kicked out of a few schools for correcting my idiot teachers. Something to be said when a student has to teach his teacher wtf they're talking about.


My mom wouldn't ever ask me what I learned at school, she'd ask me how many times I had to correct my teachers As badly as I want children, I really feel sorry for them having to grow up in this apathetic society.

the bigger problem is parents
we held out first PTA Open House night of year last night and a grand total of 17 people showed up (not counting board members)

600 students at the school and only 17 could be bothered to pull their fat asses away from their TV sets to discuss issues that affect their kids. Fucking disgusting.

I volunteer a lot of time at my kids' school and participate in a lot of school activities and the attendence from parents is abysmal. They don't seem to take any interest in their kids' educations, so why should their kids?

Maybe I'm lucky that my kids attend a school where the teachers have been outstanding? My oldest son has selectvie mutism and requires a special type of teacher (one that doesn't frustrate easy and doesn't mind me having to explain selective mutsim for the 100th time). He's had some amazing teachers and a very supportive staff at the school. I've found his teachers to be very caring and I even know most of them on a personal out of school basis and they are very dedicated, hardworking and grossly underpaid for what they do. The biggest complaint they have (besides pay) is lack of parental involvement in their children's education. Example: my son's teacher last year would send home a homework and progress report every Friday night for me to discuss with my son over the weekend, sign and return. She said less than 25% return those on a regular basis. I was stunned. I remember one weekend where I was a little busy and forgot to sign one of the reports and felt bad, then found out most parents didn't even bother to return them at all.

How many parents bother contacting the teachers of their kids on a monthly or semimonthly basis? How many even know the name of the principal of their kids' school?

I tell you, the last year of my serving on the PTA/PTO board has really opened my eyes. If the parents sending their kids to school don't give a shit about what they are learning, why should the kids?

[XxXotic]

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

the bigger problem is parents
we held out first PTA Open House night of year last night and a grand total of 17 people showed up (not counting board members)

600 students at the school and only 17 could be bothered to pull their fat asses away from their TV sets to discuss issues that affect their kids. Fucking disgusting.

I volunteer a lot of time at my kids' school and participate in a lot of school activities and the attendence from parents is abysmal. They don't seem to take any interest in their kids' educations, so why should their kids?

Maybe I'm lucky that my kids attend a school where the teachers have been outstanding? My oldest son has selectvie mutism and requires a special type of teacher (one that doesn't frustrate easy and doesn't mind me having to explain selective mutsim for the 100th time). He's had some amazing teachers and a very supportive staff at the school. I've found his teachers to be very caring and I even know most of them on a personal out of school basis and they are very dedicated, hardworking and grossly underpaid for what they do. The biggest complaint they have (besides pay) is lack of parental involvement in their children's education. Example: my son's teacher last year would send home a homework and progress report every Friday night for me to discuss with my son over the weekend, sign and return. She said less than 25% return those on a regular basis. I was stunned. I remember one weekend where I was a little busy and forgot to sign one of the reports and felt bad, then found out most parents didn't even bother to return them at all.

How many parents bother contacting the teachers of their kids on a monthly or semimonthly basis? How many even know the name of the principal of their kids' school?

I tell you, the last year of my serving on the PTA/PTO board has really opened my eyes. If the parents sending their kids to school don't give a shit about what they are learning, why should the kids?

lol don't even get me started on what's happened to parenting in the world today. I don't even have kids and I could go on for days about it.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

the bigger problem is parents
we held out first PTA Open House night of year last night and a grand total of 17 people showed up (not counting board members)

600 students at the school and only 17 could be bothered to pull their fat asses away from their TV sets to discuss issues that affect their kids. Fucking disgusting.

I volunteer a lot of time at my kids' school and participate in a lot of school activities and the attendence from parents is abysmal. They don't seem to take any interest in their kids' educations, so why should their kids?

Maybe I'm lucky that my kids attend a school where the teachers have been outstanding? My oldest son has selectvie mutism and requires a special type of teacher (one that doesn't frustrate easy and doesn't mind me having to explain selective mutsim for the 100th time). He's had some amazing teachers and a very supportive staff at the school. I've found his teachers to be very caring and I even know most of them on a personal out of school basis and they are very dedicated, hardworking and grossly underpaid for what they do. The biggest complaint they have (besides pay) is lack of parental involvement in their children's education. Example: my son's teacher last year would send home a homework and progress report every Friday night for me to discuss with my son over the weekend, sign and return. She said less than 25% return those on a regular basis. I was stunned. I remember one weekend where I was a little busy and forgot to sign one of the reports and felt bad, then found out most parents didn't even bother to return them at all.

How many parents bother contacting the teachers of their kids on a monthly or semimonthly basis? How many even know the name of the principal of their kids' school?

I tell you, the last year of my serving on the PTA/PTO board has really opened my eyes. If the parents sending their kids to school don't give a shit about what they are learning, why should the kids?

umm they are fucking kids!!!

Attend something that is not compulsory?

I still wouldn't!!

LOL

Originally Posted by SykkBoy

the bigger problem is parents
we held out first PTA Open House night of year last night and a grand total of 17 people showed up (not counting board members)

600 students at the school and only 17 could be bothered to pull their fat asses away from their TV sets to discuss issues that affect their kids. Fucking disgusting.

I volunteer a lot of time at my kids' school and participate in a lot of school activities and the attendence from parents is abysmal. They don't seem to take any interest in their kids' educations, so why should their kids?

Maybe I'm lucky that my kids attend a school where the teachers have been outstanding? My oldest son has selectvie mutism and requires a special type of teacher (one that doesn't frustrate easy and doesn't mind me having to explain selective mutsim for the 100th time). He's had some amazing teachers and a very supportive staff at the school. I've found his teachers to be very caring and I even know most of them on a personal out of school basis and they are very dedicated, hardworking and grossly underpaid for what they do. The biggest complaint they have (besides pay) is lack of parental involvement in their children's education. Example: my son's teacher last year would send home a homework and progress report every Friday night for me to discuss with my son over the weekend, sign and return. She said less than 25% return those on a regular basis. I was stunned. I remember one weekend where I was a little busy and forgot to sign one of the reports and felt bad, then found out most parents didn't even bother to return them at all.

How many parents bother contacting the teachers of their kids on a monthly or semimonthly basis? How many even know the name of the principal of their kids' school?

I tell you, the last year of my serving on the PTA/PTO board has really opened my eyes. If the parents sending their kids to school don't give a shit about what they are learning, why should the kids?

I am not going to even discuss parents at this point, I could go on for far too long, (I plan on going on for a lifetime in fact, in Child Advocate law) ...about parents passing the buck of responsibility off to other factors.

Teachers are put in a very difficult position on a lot of levels, they are expected to be role models, and on some levels disciplinarians and that's where they get really stuck between a rock and a hard place... on one hand you have the parents who are only all too happy to let the teacher be the main disciplinarian, which makes them out to be the "bad guy" and the kid sees that the parents don't care so why should they & their respect for the teacher goes down the tube & the kids grades drop & suddenly the teacher "isn't doing their job" because the kid isn't learning anything. Then you've got some of those parents who are horrified at the thought of a teacher being a disciplinarian and if the teacher even tries to do such the parent gets outraged & infuriated & if the kid acts up in class then the teacher can't really do anything (parents will complain to administration and that's just too much hassle) and so the kid gets away with whatever, doesn't learn anything, and suddenly the teacher isn't doing their job. *rolls eyes*

When I have kids I do not expect that I shall be sending them to public schools at all, I would rather take the time, research the options in private schools, have meetings with the private schools faculty & administration, in all honesty I'd want to meet with my child's instructor every year prior to my child meeting their instructor, just to ensure that they are the right instructor for my kid, or at least are willing to work with me to ensure that they & myself are at an agreement as to how situations are handled etc. I'd want a school that allowed those options, and I'd pick a school that will work -with- me and has a population of kids whose parents -also- care about their childs education. This isn't to say that there aren't parents of kids in public schools that don't care about their kids education mind you.

Okay time to go read a diff' thread, I'm getting all riled up again over the thoughts of how many awful parents there are..

[Sin]

GRRRR

I'm not a fan of this 'guest' option, that's annoying, I like for people to know my words are mine, not some "anonymous" persons.

That above post, belongs to me.

[MorganGrayson]

Originally Posted by Sin

GRRRR

I'm not a fan of this 'guest' option, that's annoying, I like for people to know my words are mine, not some "anonymous" persons.

That above post, belongs to me.

Sin...it's just going to take some time to get everyone to remember to sign in the first couple of times then the board takes over. I had to sign in twice yesterday, but today when I clicked on my bookmark, I didn't.