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that's why our new venture is non-porn....most mobile downloaders are teens and I'd rather have that market than fuck with porn....
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That's the smartest, and probably only smart thing I have seen anyone on this board say about mobile 
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whole lot of them
that's why our new venture is non-porn....most mobile downloaders are teens and I'd rather have that market than fuck with porn....
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Absolutely... Although mainstream mobile is a highly competitive market right now. Millions of marketing dollars go into promoting games and ringtones etc.. already, so it's tough for any normal sized companies to get in at this point.
Are you doing something new/different that you can share?
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quite different involving licensed images and unique text content, but can't divulge much more at this point....
I realize there is a lot of competition in that area already, but there is room for a company with a few more twists than the standard generic offerings currently available (not that they are all bad, but we've come up with a little different angle and are expanding what others are already doing). I'd still rather grab 5% of that market than mess with adult. I know there are a few who will make really good money offering adult services, but it just doesn't excite me as much as the teen market, profit and dollar-wise.
There are a handful who "get it" though and I'd count you and Newton amongst them (I'm not as familiar with AMC, so couldn't vouch personally, but he seems to know what he's talking about, which can't be said for a lot of other "mobile gurus" who seem to be more about smoke, mirrors and flash).
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Very cool..
I agree. If you can come up with something different from the ringtone/j2me sites, there is still a lot of opportunity in mainstream mobile.
Once you get something ready for public view, you should hit me up. If it's something groundbreaking I have some good contacts at a lot of large mobile mainstream sites that are always looking for new partnerships.
Good luck man!
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Looking forward to seeing what guys will be releasing ..
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Looking forward to seeing what guys will be releasing ..
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Well, the show is in full swing, and we did our event last night, so we can talk about the site now.
www.pocketgirls.com is a partnership between Yanks.com and WireRunner Software, and is the first live site (of many to follow) using the WireRunner system.
It goes beyond just selling crappy background images to sell the equivalent of mini-magazines. You get a bunch of images, joke, story, and bio information about the girl with each purchase.
We can bill in 10 countries, with SMS billing available in all except the US. (because regardless of what the other sites are claiming, they CANNOT bill premium sms for hardcore in the states.. we will support this as soon as it is allowed)
Our system also supports video and audio (ringtones etc..), however for pocketgirls.com we chose not to expose that, because we wanted a system that the majority of phones can use.
We will be launching an affiliate program in about 60 days, so check it out!
I'd love to hear feedback from you guys, how can we make the system better etc...
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Mobile? Is it a bit pre-mature to invest in mobile technology? Granted you could be a pioneer, but isn't it usually the innovators and not the inventors that make it big? Perhaps it would be best to sit back and let people figure out the ups and downs and enter the market at a more mature time?
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Mobile? Is it a bit pre-mature to invest in mobile technology? Granted you could be a pioneer, but isn't it usually the innovators and not the inventors that make it big? Perhaps it would be best to sit back and let people figure out the ups and downs and enter the market at a more mature time?
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Steve check out http://www.3g.co.uk
The US/Canada is behind the rest of the world, but they are catching
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if u dont get involved now you will be offering the same services the innovators are offering NOW and people wont see any advantage to using your site over the first site they came accross the features - technology
mobile is the future - sure if u dont want to be one of the sites that people say WOW about and then the word of mouth buzz turns your site into the adult myspace .. then dont .. but dont ask about how u can get some of the pie later on in the game without showing your wallet first
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www.pocketgirls.com
shows a us flag - how are you billing the us if u previously had mentioned not being able to bill premium to the us
why not offer a Non Nude version so that you can bill premium to the us ?
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www.pocketgirls.com
shows a us flag - how are you billing the us if u previously had mentioned not being able to bill premium to the us
why not offer a Non Nude version so that you can bill premium to the us ?
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If you purchase something in the US it takes you to a credit card checkout & then delivers the content using a non-premium SMS message.
All the other countries use premium SMS.
We are actually talking about doing a non-nude site for that exact reason.
To answer the question about the inventor versus the innovator... Mobile is already big over in Europe, we *are* the innovator 
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I'm signed up for your program, and I do get text messages to my US T-Mobile account... but they aren't showing up as premium messages on my bill. Also, when I tried to unsubscribe (mb stop all to 89050), it fails to send the message (all my other messages work fine).
What's the deal with that? Are you *sure* you are really configured for premium SMS in the US? If you are, please cancel my account as your support page doesn't give me the right info.
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Nice .. so you can sign up but not cancel?
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Originally posted by EroticySteve@Jun 15 2005, 10:06 AM
Mobile? Is it a bit pre-mature to invest in mobile technology? Granted you could be a pioneer, but isn't it usually the innovators and not the inventors that make it big? Perhaps it would be best to sit back and let people figure out the ups and downs and enter the market at a more mature time?
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People have been selling mobile content for many many years, well back into the 90's.
IMO people focussing on adult are missing the bigger picture, especially the ones using the Internet as their main avenue of marketing.
In the mobile industry the real money is made through alliances and distribution partnerships with mobile operators (e.g. Verizon) and device manufacturers (e.g. Nokia).
Teenagers, many of them girls, make up a large part of the demographic.
You're not going to get any mass marketing deal with Nokia for porn and you are not going to sell any porn to teenage girls. Focussing on porn and leaving out the rest is like opening a huge supermarket that only sells onions, you may sell some but you could be selling so many other things.
Approach new business opportunities as a businessman, not a pornographer, and you'll be many times more successful!
JMO ;-)
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Another reason why I think mobile porn is not going to be anything like the adult Internet boom:
Why do people watch porn?
Well?
Because it helps them get off!
Where do people like to masturbate?
On the train?
At work?
At the grocery store?
I believe they prefer to do it in the privacy of their own home.
What screens do you have available at home to watch porn on?
Most people have at least one large TV screen (50"?) a computer screen (17"?) and a mobile phone screen (2"?).
What screen would you choose to watch your porn on?
If you want to make money from mobile, sell people something they can use on the train on the way to work, not something that is only useful in a place where better tools are available ;-)
If anyone has a valid argument why my theory is wrong I'd love to hear it!
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Another reason why I think mobile porn is not going to be anything like the adult Internet boom:
Why do people watch porn?
Well?
Because it helps them get off!
Where do people like to masturbate?
On the train?
At work?
At the grocery store?
I believe they prefer to do it in the privacy of their own home.
What screens do you have available at home to watch porn on?
Most people have at least one large TV screen (50"?) a computer screen (17"?) and a mobile phone screen (2"?).
What screen would you choose to watch your porn on?
If you want to make money from mobile, sell people something they can use on the train on the way to work, not something that is only useful in a place where better tools are available ;-)
If anyone has a valid argument why my theory is wrong I'd love to hear it!
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I've jacked off on a train, plane, at work and many other places using only my imagination... a porn filled phone would have come in handy 
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I've jacked off on a train, plane, at work and many other places using only my imagination... a porn filled phone would have come in handy
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Then I classify you as the person who goes to a supermarket that sells only onions ;-)
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Me personally, I'm looking for the next crazy frog... then as BillPMB would say I'm going to power hump it...
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Maybe a mobile crazy frog? I bet crazy frogs are more welcome on public transport than exhibitionists ;-)
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That's good to hear .. I tried hitting up AMC on icq but still no reply .. Rob can you or one of your guys from AMC hit me up please.
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Mobile? Is it a bit pre-mature to invest in mobile technology? Granted you could be a pioneer, but isn't it usually the innovators and not the inventors that make it big? Perhaps it would be best to sit back and let people figure out the ups and downs and enter the market at a more mature time?
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I think spending millions of dollars in marketing in the US is certainly pre-mature. However the pocket girls project has been relative cheap thus far. And we are moving cautiously with the marketing dollars which is where most new projects lose steam. 
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Another reason why I think mobile porn is not going to be anything like the adult Internet boom:
Why do people watch porn?
Well?
Because it helps them get off!
Where do people like to masturbate?
On the train?
At work?
At the grocery store?
I believe they prefer to do it in the privacy of their own home.
What screens do you have available at home to watch porn on?
Most people have at least one large TV screen (50"?) a computer screen (17"?) and a mobile phone screen (2"?).
What screen would you choose to watch your porn on?
If you want to make money from mobile, sell people something they can use on the train on the way to work, not something that is only useful in a place where better tools are available ;-)
If anyone has a valid argument why my theory is wrong I'd love to hear it!
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In short:
-Magazines brought sex out of the bedroom
-VCRs brought them to your living room
-the internet brought them to the office and to work
-mobile devices will bring them everywhere
In each of these cases people would have said "Who would ever......???"
But they do
However I think your concern is quite common and a very reasonable one.
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In short:
-Magazines brought sex out of the bedroom
-VCRs brought them to your living room
-the internet brought them to the office and to work
-mobile devices will bring them everywhere
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Do you see what you're doing?
"It worked for magazines, VCR, DVD and the Internet so it will work for mobile too"
That's not the foundation for a solid business plan my friend ;-)
I can name very good valid reasons why each one of the mediums mentioned work. I can't really think of any why it would work on mobile. Would love to hear good arguments though ;-)
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It will work for the same reason phone sex lines work.
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but people call these lines from home and jerk off doing it, having a girl talk dirty on the phone to you is quite a unique service that is hard to get in any other way ;-)
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Are there any others porn failures out there that you can point out?
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I don't believe porn games are a vibrant multi-billion dollar market. And I also listed the fact that because porn is already available on all these superior mediums that the mobile phone does not offer any distinct advantages..
But instead of just saying "it will be successful because it was successful on all these other mediums too" why don't you name one good solid reason why it will really take off on mobile phones? I have already listed many reasons why it won't take off, can't you think of a single reason why it will take off?
What unique advantage does the mobile phone offer that no other medium offers? That I can watch porn on the bus? I wanna jerk off when I watch porn, I don't want to jerk off on the bus. (actually I do but I'd go to prison)
If I would read your business plan and I couldn't extract the reason why it will take off and articulate it in one sentence then the business plan is not very solid ;-)
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I peeped the set up they have. Looks nice.
I will say that all of you thinking its going nowhere... I can tell you that your premature. I know of a mobile program that converts 1:16 already.
Leave your heads in the sand... leaves more cash for the rest of us.
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Leave your heads in the sand... leaves more cash for the rest of us.
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I think the concerns I raise are quite valid and that it is the opposite of having my head in the sand
I'm just really curious why people seem to think that mobile porn is going to be huge and it appears nobody is able to articulate it.
I'm not saying that it's not possible to make any money with mobile porn, what I am saying is that I believe it will be nowhere near the money the big paysites were making in 97, 98, 99. I am also saying there are indeed many mobile opportunities which will be huge and obscenely lucrative and that by focussing on porn people are missing the bigger picture. See the onion supermarket analogy ;-)
I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to talk some sense into people ;-)
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Screen sizes will get larger with higher rez, memory sizes will increase and network connections will get faster (please don't argue these)
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the age old dillema, people want bigger screens but smaller phones. Which do you think will win for the mass market ;-)
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