Protect yourself with us (TGP's and 2257)

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Originally posted by Inabon@May 21 2005, 05:45 AM
man you have to realize that no matter what there are always borders and the way your country (yes i am a us citizen thanks to the way your country thinks remember they beat spain another empire and took puerto rico as payment then gave us citizenship during the war so we could go fight cause usa was running out of trained people) works makes it easy for anyone to bypass that because you always think USA only and in USA it stays.

come on. like i said there are more countries than usa yes they may not be as developed but they are being developed. usa has reached is peak and now is looking at getting regulated (LAND OF THE FREE MY ASS).

so as you see point 1 or 2 will happen just because the way you guys think. you have to open your minds to the rest of the world. trust me bush may win against porn but only in USA.

and don´t give me the internet carrier bullshit trust me in panama there are carriers that if they are down they loose 1 million per hour and a lot of that is not USA.

Here's what you have to realize, Inabon...

"just because the way you guys think. you have to open your minds to the rest of the world."

I personally think globally. I'm not your typical nationalist jingoistic "my country right or wrong" "fuck all them fur-en-ers" redneck. I won't argue that they're the vocal majority in this country right now, but I'm not one of that group. Don't lump me in with all of them, and I won't lump you in with whatever stereotypical sub-group of Puerto Ricans that YOU dislike.

However, I am a U.S. citizen. I physically live in the U.S. I transact my business in the U.S. And I don't intend on physically moving out of the U.S., with or without renouncement of citizenship.

Because of this, I have to follow U.S. law. And that follows through no matter where in the world my webhost is. I'm a U.S. citizen, therefore I have to answer to U.S. law, whether I like the law or not.

I can either go through a bunch of expensive manuevers like Nick suggested that, while they may not be illegal, at least have the appearance of trying to hide something, or I can just follow the law. I happen to think that your solution is not as protective or compliant as you do. Different interpretations of the law. I happen to be good at interpreting law, though I'm not a lawyer, and I have knowledgeable legal counsel who happen to independently interpret this issue the same way I do.

There are, however, PLENTY of people in this business who don't even bother to pony up legal fees in advance, and coincidentally, traffic in very edgy niches. Those are the people who could really get hit hard by this new enforcement of the regs, and truth be told, I have no sympathy for them. They're going after things with a short-term attitude, and that's what can happen.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that the U.S. does not own the Internet, and if the U.S. decided to totally ban pornography, it would still live on thanks to the hundreds of other countries in the world, as well as the U.S.-based mavericks who will try to operate under the radar. That's an unfortunate situation, but I don't think a total ban will occur -- they just want to move the edges in a bit to make good with the moralists.

Really, truthfully, I think the 2257 regulation is pretty easy to comply with, as long as you use your head and OVERcomply with them. Make yourself a hard target and they'll go after the lower-hanging fruit. All these outside offshore offsite solutions just seem to me to be a way to cash in on the situation. I should know, I was going to do just that myself.

I developed a specialized database specifically for retaining complete 2257 records, including ID and document scans. Not something hosted for multiple users, or even one user, but a local database that a producer would install on their own system for use by themselves only. Registered domains for it, started putting a marketing plan together.

Had my attorney review it, he liked it, but his words were "I cannot guarantee that using this database would protect someone from 2257 prosecution. I can't guarantee that anyone would be safe by using any solution. Too many variables in how they run their business." That got me thinking, better to keep this for my own private usage, rather than either having to sell a solution that I'll have to specifically say is NOT guaranteed, or leave myself open to civil liability down the road. Plus, software support sucks, so screw it.

That's longterm thinking. I'd rather be in for the long dollar.

Wow, that rambled a bit. Oh, I don't know what "internet carrier bullshit" you're referring to, I don't recall saying anything about that. Don't confuse me with Aeon, I think you'd agree that we're taking two very different approaches on this subject, i.e. civilized vs. zoo.