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Ok here you go, here is your chance to convert a non-believer. So far during his presidency, what has Dubya done for the good of my country? You can't mention that he has made America safer as it's obvious by the hatred of our nation throughout the world, now more than ever, that this isn't true. Hell last week we had some Chinese nationals slip across the border with a dirty bomb some news agencies have said. We know that we aren't safer so that argument's out. Also, don't mention how we liberated the people of Iraq either. Those people aren't free. Anyone that backs the democratic movement is kidnapped and killed. The new regime is just as bad as the old when it comes to torture, lies and deception, so don't feed me the liberation/democracy garbage either. Infact, I would like to keep this conversation free of anything to do with the war on terrorism. What has Dubya done for me?
He did send me some $500 tax refund thing. That should make up for putting me and my kids in danger if I travel abroad.
We took out Saddam and pissed of the world. Has he done anything else worth mentioning?
Educate me folks, I once was blind but now I'm found and all that jazz...
Nick you are any angry man. Might I suggest moveon.org, I think you will fit right in!!
Please do not get discouraged, keep up the good fight!!
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Impossible task. There's nothing new under the Republican sun. Democrats want to live in one kind of world, Republicans another. Subject to change every 4 years,
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It should be Bush Backer. I think I am the only one on Oprano.
I get to keep all the joy to myself!!
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NickP, as far as the tax cut, if you would have made more money you would have gotten back far more then $500.
The capital gains cut alone has become a beautiful thing!
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 26 2005, 04:27 PM NickP, as far as the tax cut, if you would have made more money you would have gotten back far more then $500.
The capital gains cut alone has become a beautiful thing!
Lets make it a bullet point list! To be able to keep track of all these reasons...
More money to the already well off.
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Originally posted by DrGuile@Jan 26 2005, 04:32 PM Let make it a bullet point list! To be able to keep track...
More money to the already well off.
and the problem with that is?
Poor people are used to being poor,
any possibility of less income is more of a hardship to the non-poor
Cue "Head like a Hole"
God money’s not looking for the cure.
God money’s not concerned with the sick among the pure.
God money let’s go dancing on the backs of the bruised.
God money’s not one to choose
No you can’t take it
No you can’t take it
No you can’t take that away from me
Feed the Homeless to the hungry
Solve 2 problems
and I'd bet there would be a lot less of both quickly
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Originally posted by Vick+Jan 26 2005, 04:37 PM-->
QUOTE (Vick @ Jan 26 2005, 04:37 PM)
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 26 2005, 01:27 PM NickP, as far as the tax cut, if you would have made more money you would have gotten back far more then $500.
The capital gains cut alone has become a beautiful thing!
I couldn't make more money Mike. The man was holding me down.
So far no real conclusive answers in this thread. I am disappointed.
So far I have come away from this thread with one reason Bush has been good for my country. He makes the rich richer. Keep em coming folks, I am one ignorant son of a bitch.
Originally posted by Vick@Jan 26 2005, 01:58 PM NickP
The outstanding thing about Bush in the last 2 Presidential elections was .....
He wasn't the other guy
That being said I'm still of the opinion I am the only person fit to be President of the USA
I'll tell you upfront my agenda, to put more $ in my pocket :P
Does everyone like NickP better than the entire thing? I was thinking about changing my email addresses and shit so that it isn't so hard on people and maybe a bit easier to remember. I notice alot of people using the NickP shortcut. (WTF was I thinking with Papageorgio anyway lmao)
Hell yeah Vick go for it. I'll vote for you. Will there be any WMD on your agenda?
Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 26 2005, 12:34 PM Nick you are any angry man. Might I suggest moveon.org, I think you will fit right in!!
Please do not get discouraged, keep up the good fight!!
Im just curious what we did to piss of those chinese nationals. crazy... that part of china does not act on its own. So what part, if any did the chinese regime play in that effort?
Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 26 2005, 01:27 PM NickP, as far as the tax cut, if you would have made more money you would have gotten back far more then $500.
The capital gains cut alone has become a beautiful thing!
DEfinitely agree on the capital gains cut, that was out of control. The idea that im not going to get gouged, and am encouraged to hold on to my stock longer, thus stablizing the market., a thing of beauty.
But the worrysome thing about deficit spending is yeah, that tax cut down from 44-50% was nice. but are we going to have to make it up on the back end?
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hey Mike.. i was being serious. That was an accurate argument for the plans already in place under this administration for the domestic economy and social programs.
I don't get how that was humerous, sorry. (and i didn't even say one bad thing about Bush
Originally posted by grimm@Jan 26 2005, 05:46 PM hey Mike.. i was being serious. That was an accurate argument for the plans already in place under this administration for the domestic economy and social programs.
I don't get how that was humerous, sorry. (and i didn't even say one bad thing about Bush
What is your stance on anything, if you have one?
It was funny because your underlying assumptions have led you astray. it's ok, we are all led astray.
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I´m not sure Bush will go down in history as someone to remember - he simply lacks the charisma and vision of a great leader. But the same can be said about Al Gore/John Kerry, and this is why Bush will be here until 2008... he didn´t win the elections, because of the things he said... He won because, out of 293 million people in the US the democrats choosed 2 people with even less charisma and vision than Bush - and I think that is an even more scary thought than Bush
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Originally posted by Rolo@Jan 26 2005, 07:46 PM out of 293 million people in the US the democrats choose 2 people with even less charisma and vision than Bush - and I think that is an even more scary thought than Bush
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NickP - it's shorter than NickPapageorgio
WMD's um hell yeah. The USA needs them, no one else does though
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Originally posted by Rolo@Jan 26 2005, 07:46 PM I´m not sure Bush will go down in history as someone to remember - he simply lacks the charisma and vision of a great leader. But the same can be said about Al Gore/John Kerry, and this is why Bush will be here until 2008... he didn´t win the elections, because of the things he said... He won because, out of 293 million people in the US the democrats choosed 2 people with even less charisma and vision than Bush - and I think that is an even more scary thought than Bush
Come now. Being a successful President is not based on charisma.
Clinton had tons of charisma, but history will judge him as a status quo President. He did nothing major, and never pusehd for any major change in the world, or the country. ( but for his wifes attempt to socialize medicine). He will be remembered for being impeached and getting a BJ from a chubby intern.
Bush, even if you hate the man and his polices, is not a status quo President. Bush is pushing very hard to shape the future in dramatic ways, not only in foreign policy - with the Bush Doctrine, but also in domestic issues. Trying to take on Social Security reform, and major tax overhaul is HUGE. If he accomplishes just on of these things it would be major.
Bush's policies may suck, but he has confronted major issues and has tried to shape them the way he sees fit. Bush is a visionary President who thinks he can change the world. There are not many Presidents who have this view, and fewer who accomplished it.
The funny thing is that his dad, was like Clinton - a status quo, keep the shop straight kind of President. No vision at all.
Bush will go down as one of the most influential President of all times - not only in US but world stage.
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Daddy was status quo, he beleived in UN, and would NEVER take pre-emptive action. Daddy got nothing major done, he was a civil administrator. Daddy and Clinton had more in common, then 41 and 43.
Bush is more like Reagan. I remember the liberals and the Europeans crying and protesting back in the 80s too. The funny thing is, its the same charges. Dim-witted President, who is a warmonger, who will lead us to WWIII. He puts to much faith in God, and only a puppet for big business.
We saw the world praise Reagan upon his funeral. Even his vanquished enemy paid tribute, as well as many liberals.
I will say it again. Bush will go top as one of the top 5 presidents of all time, or the worst of all time. Only the future will tell. Historians will decide.
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First of all, it's 30 years premature to talk about the legacy of either Clinton or Bush.
I don't think Clinton will be regarded as a particularly great President. Objectively, I hope the obstructionism of the Republicans in Congress will be told along with Clinton's personal failures.
I think Bush's legacy is going to depend in large part on what transpires in Iraq, which is far from certain. It remains to be seen if what he's done is taken firm, decisive action, or engaged in the practice of "Ready, Fire, Aim!" (I doubt my personal suspicions are any great mystery.) The long term effects of Bush's tenure on the reputation of America in the world will also be a factor; but he hung his Kennebunkport cowboy hat on Iraq, and he's going to have to live with that.
When it's all said and done, I think he'll be regarded almost as highly as the last Texan who was a wartime President - without the legacy of social policy to cushion his reputation.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Jan 26 2005, 11:42 PM First of all, it's 30 years premature to talk about the legacy of either Clinton or Bush.
I don't think Clinton will be regarded as a particularly great President. Objectively, I hope the obstructionism of the Republicans in Congress will be told along with Clinton's personal failures.
I think Bush's legacy is going to depend in large part on what transpires in Iraq, which is far from certain. It remains to be seen if what he's done is taken firm, decisive action, or engaged in the practice of "Ready, Fire, Aim!" (I doubt my personal suspicions are any great mystery.) The long term effects of Bush's tenure on the reputation of America in the world will also be a factor; but he hung his Kennebunkport cowboy hat on Iraq, and he's going to have to live with that.
When it's all said and done, I think he'll be regarded almost as highly as the last Texan who was a wartime President - without the legacy of social policy to cushion his reputation.
PD you make valid points that I cannot argue.
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01-26-2005
I am disappointed.
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