Anti smoking

01-24-2005

Quote:

Company Fires Employees for Smoking Test

2 hours, 53 minutes ago U.S. National - AP

LANSING, Mich. - Four employees of a health care company have been fired for refusing to take a test to determine whether they smoke cigarettes.

Weyco Inc., a health benefits administrator based in Okemos, Mich., adopted a policy Jan. 1 that allows employees to be fired if they smoke, even if the smoking happens after business hours or at home.

Company founder Howard Weyers has said the anti-smoking rule was designed to shield the firm from high health care costs. "I don't want to pay for the results of smoking," he said.

The rule led one employee to quit before the policy was adopted. Four others were fired when they balked at the smoking test.

Chief Financial Officer Gary Climes estimated that 18 to 20 of the company's 200 employers were smokers when the policy was announced in 2003. Of those, as many as 14 quit smoking before the policy went into effect. The company offered them help to kick the habit.

"That is absolutely a victory," Climes said.

Am I the only one who thinks this is crazy?

Lee · 01-24-2005

Discrimination!

The tobacco companies should sue

Newton · 01-24-2005

They can try and pry these cuban cohibas from my cold dead hands

JR · 01-24-2005

a company can fire any employee as long as its not for an illegal reason.... and "descrimination" is defined by law... not by the individuals opinion of right and wrong. ugly people dont sell cosmetics, fat people dont make good personal trainers and maybe... just maybe a health care professional should be a health care professional. i am tired of paying for the costs of smoking too. i am tired of paying for the costs of stupid lawsuits. i am tired of paying for the costs of people who eat like idiots, teach their kids to eat like idiots and then tell me its "genetic".

in The Autonomous Republic of JR, all morons will pay their own way and be the only ones who pay for their bad decisions, unhealthy lifestyles and the consequences of their actions. Smart people will enjoy the benefits of being smart, irresponsible people will suffer the consequences of being irresponsible. stupid people will be tightly controlled, sterilized and tagged as such, to keep them from hurting themselves and others as happens all too often in a "free society"

VooMan · 01-24-2005

Does that mean that only smart people get to be rich as well?

Maybe Paris Hilton and Britney Spears can go broke while I keep smoking...

Nickatilynx · 01-24-2005

I think I fired someone for NOT smoking once LOL

Almighty Colin · 01-24-2005

A good sound financial decision. And draconian as well. Tough call.

JR · 01-24-2005

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Originally posted by VooMan@Jan 24 2005, 06:27 PM
Does that mean that only smart people get to be rich as well?

Maybe Paris Hilton and Britney Spears can go broke while I keep smoking...

well... yes and no. stupid people will have neither authority or power in my system. in fact, they will not breed at all, which in theory should make the question a moot point after a few generations (nothwithstanding the occasional exception which will be dealt with swiftly and effeciently). its a long term plan for the betterment of mankind. i anticipate that it will be the only social program that democrats will not be falling all over themselves to fund... but then again, most of them will be tagged and desposed of under my program.

VooMan · 01-24-2005

Well, it looks like I better quit smoking or else... or do I already qualify as stupid and thus worthy of extermination?

Raven · 01-24-2005

Whole cities are going smoke free.

If I've heard correctly, the Phoenix forum is going to be smoke free, as Tempe is one of those cities.

overdose · 01-24-2005

interesting thread...

Hell Puppy · 01-24-2005

Mixed feelings on that one.

On one hand, as a non-smoker I do very much like the current trend of pretty much banning it in public places. One reason I hate to go to trade shows is when I get home my whole freaking suitcase smells like smoke from all you fuckers who cant have a drink in one hand without a cigarette in the other. Not that I'm a health freak or anything, it just gives me a pounding headache if the area isn't well ventilated. However, I'm an advocate of anyone being able to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home.

Problem with banning it for the reason of it raises insurance is where do you stop? Do you relegate anyone who is fat, has diabetes, hypertension, a family history of cancer, irritable bowel syndrome or chronic ingrown toe nails to unemployment?

Either way, it's treating the symptom not the disease....get health care costs under control and this all fixes itself.

JR · 01-24-2005

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Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Jan 24 2005, 08:43 PM

Problem with banning it for the reason of it raises insurance is where do you stop? Do you relegate anyone who is fat, has diabetes, hypertension, a family history of cancer, irritable bowel syndrome or chronic ingrown toe nails to unemployment?

in a perfect world, you would ban it when it affects other people financially/physically because it is no longer a singular issue of personal choice.

JoesHO · 01-24-2005

I quit smoking cigs in 2000 and I am glad I did, but i think that people should have the right to smoke if they want, I also believe that employers have the right to make their business smoke free igf they so choose, and if a smoker does not want to work there they do not have to, or if a smoker does not want to go in non smoking restaraunt eat somewhere else... same as a non smoker, if they do not want to go in a smokey bar, dont go it is really simple if you ask me...

damn maybe i should run for office!!!!

MikeAI would you vote for me? maybe run my campaign?

Raven · 01-25-2005

Private enterprise can dictate dress codes and no smoking policies.

What I object to is a company dictating a policy that affects me, after working hours.

If I want to drink after work, no policy should be in play that stops that activity.

If I want to smoke cigs after work, away from the premises, there should be nothing that stops that either.

The only thing I can see where a company would have anything to say is pot or cocaine or other mind altering substances.

JoesHO · 01-25-2005

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Originally posted by Raven@Jan 24 2005, 09:27 PM
Private enterprise can dictate dress codes and no smoking policies.

What I object to is a company dictating a policy that affects me, after working hours.

If I want to drink after work, no policy should be in play that stops that activity.

If I want to smoke cigs after work, away from the premises, there should be nothing that stops that either.

The only thing I can see where a company would have anything to say is pot or cocaine or other mind altering substances.

a case in Oregon was recently won by an employee that tested positive for MJ and was terminated he won cause he was a medical patient and legal to smoke weed ... the employer is appealing the ruling.

the key was that they could not prove he smoked it at work.
he was on his own time.

kath · 01-25-2005

Never was a smoker but DAMN - when are people going to wake up? They just keep take, take, taking things away from us as we stand there, gaping at them in wonder, pondering how they are able to get away with it...

HOW are they able to get away with it???

It's because we are just standing there.... gaping at them in wonder... pondering... instead of standing up and saying, "NO MORE!"

Today it's cigarettes... what will it be tomorrow?

overdose · 01-25-2005

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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 24 2005, 07:21 PM
I think I fired someone for NOT smoking once LOL

That's too bad.

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JR Members The global leader in pay-per-view AEBN Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: in my chair Posts: 3,320	a company can fire any employee as long as its not for an illegal reason.... and "descrimination" is defined by law... not by the individuals opinion of right and wrong. ugly people dont sell cosmetics, fat people dont make good personal trainers and maybe... just maybe a health care professional should be a health care professional. i am tired of paying for the costs of smoking too. i am tired of paying for the costs of stupid lawsuits. i am tired of paying for the costs of people who eat like idiots, teach their kids to eat like idiots and then tell me its "genetic". in The Autonomous Republic of JR, all morons will pay their own way and be the only ones who pay for their bad decisions, unhealthy lifestyles and the consequences of their actions. Smart people will enjoy the benefits of being smart, irresponsible people will suffer the consequences of being irresponsible. stupid people will be tightly controlled, sterilized and tagged as such, to keep them from hurting themselves and others as happens all too often in a "free society" __________________

01-24-2005	#5
VooMan Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 931	Does that mean that only smart people get to be rich as well? Maybe Paris Hilton and Britney Spears can go broke while I keep smoking... __________________

01-24-2005	#7
Almighty Colin Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,059	A good sound financial decision. And draconian as well. Tough call. __________________ Almighty Content. Your one stop for live content. Secret Friends, LATINA Secret Friends , My Cam Friends

01-24-2005	#9
VooMan Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 931	Well, it looks like I better quit smoking or else... or do I already qualify as stupid and thus worthy of extermination? __________________

01-24-2005	#2
Lee Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 539	Discrimination! The tobacco companies should sue

01-24-2005	#6
Nickatilynx Banned Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Vancouver Canada Posts: 15,115	I think I fired someone for NOT smoking once LOL

01-24-2005	#10
Raven Internet Annoyance Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 575	Whole cities are going smoke free. If I've heard correctly, the Phoenix forum is going to be smoke free, as Tempe is one of those cities. __________________ Raven If You'd Just Do It My Way, Your Life Would Be Better 27331641 Celeb Traffic? Go here: RevshareRewards

01-24-2005	#11
overdose Members Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 30	interesting thread...

01-24-2005	#12
Hell Puppy Fat Fucking Nobody Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 6,523	Mixed feelings on that one. On one hand, as a non-smoker I do very much like the current trend of pretty much banning it in public places. One reason I hate to go to trade shows is when I get home my whole freaking suitcase smells like smoke from all you fuckers who cant have a drink in one hand without a cigarette in the other. Not that I'm a health freak or anything, it just gives me a pounding headache if the area isn't well ventilated. However, I'm an advocate of anyone being able to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home. Problem with banning it for the reason of it raises insurance is where do you stop? Do you relegate anyone who is fat, has diabetes, hypertension, a family history of cancer, irritable bowel syndrome or chronic ingrown toe nails to unemployment? Either way, it's treating the symptom not the disease....get health care costs under control and this all fixes itself.

01-24-2005	#14
JoesHO Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,085	I quit smoking cigs in 2000 and I am glad I did, but i think that people should have the right to smoke if they want, I also believe that employers have the right to make their business smoke free igf they so choose, and if a smoker does not want to work there they do not have to, or if a smoker does not want to go in non smoking restaraunt eat somewhere else... same as a non smoker, if they do not want to go in a smokey bar, dont go it is really simple if you ask me... damn maybe i should run for office!!!! MikeAI would you vote for me? maybe run my campaign? __________________ AEBN THE GLOBAL LEADER IN ADULT EVOLUTION something FIT this way comes!

01-25-2005	#15
Raven Internet Annoyance Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 575	Private enterprise can dictate dress codes and no smoking policies. What I object to is a company dictating a policy that affects me, after working hours. If I want to drink after work, no policy should be in play that stops that activity. If I want to smoke cigs after work, away from the premises, there should be nothing that stops that either. The only thing I can see where a company would have anything to say is pot or cocaine or other mind altering substances. __________________ Raven If You'd Just Do It My Way, Your Life Would Be Better 27331641 Celeb Traffic? Go here: RevshareRewards

01-25-2005	#17
kath Members Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: California, USA Posts: 1,340	Never was a smoker but DAMN - when are people going to wake up? They just keep take, take, taking things away from us as we stand there, gaping at them in wonder, pondering how they are able to get away with it... HOW are they able to get away with it??? It's because we are just standing there.... gaping at them in wonder... pondering... instead of standing up and saying, "NO MORE!" Today it's cigarettes... what will it be tomorrow?