Let's talk DRM...

[*KK*]

There's a good reason to have as many working platforms as possible for the time being. Real, Divx, etc are all competitive infrastructures with market share. This keeps Microsoft on their toes, so to speak.

As to the Mac issue, no one has DRM that works with it, and it's a Mac problem with the headers, not a Microsoft problem they won't fix.

I'll also say that while Tuckers only human and possibly missed a phone call (especially since I wasn't doing any business with him back then and I dont recall Playa having been launched) I find it odd how Gonzo's conference call,

"Yeah real good. We are still waiting in the conference room downtown for that cocksucker to call us back with all of our clients here for that implementaiton confernce call."

turned into Dirty Dougs meeting in Atlanta, "If you are buying drinks at the next industry event, I am due about 250 thousand of them. Gonzo is correct that you were supposed to meet at 230 Peachtree, Atlanta. "

Just my observation.

[Cleo]

DRM works on Macs.

AEBN has vids that play just fine on a Mac and have DRM.

Music sold at the iTunes store has DRM and they work on both Mac and Windows.

WMV files with DRM don't work because Micro$oft hasn't included this ability in their WMP for the Mac.

[gonzo]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jan 20 2005, 08:36 PM

I'll also say that while Tuckers only human and possibly missed a phone call (especially since I wasn't doing any business with him back then and I dont recall Playa having been launched) I find it odd how Gonzo's conference call,

"Yeah real good. We are still waiting in the conference room downtown for that cocksucker to call us back with all of our clients here for that implementaiton confernce call."

turned into Dirty Dougs meeting in Atlanta, "If you are buying drinks at the next industry event, I am due about 250 thousand of them. Gonzo is correct that you were supposed to meet at 230 Peachtree, Atlanta. "

Just my observation.

Doug was responsible for the project so he kept better notes on it than I did. Nothing odd about that. The meeting was missed plain and simple and now in the past.

Remember...theres always more facts and people involved than meets the eye.

Just an observation.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally posted by VooMan@Jan 20 2005, 10:15 AM
Hell Puppy,

You are correct. A license is not issued until the video is paid for, so you won't get dinged for people attempting to play your content if they haven't bought it...

Thanks to Vooman for providing the answer to my question in amongst the drama!

Anyone you're at liberty to share who is running NatnetDRM that has something posted where I can see it in action?

[Dravyk]

Well, I am still waiting for my technical question to be answered, assuming any DRM people reading this are still interested in getting back to the business discussion that was lost amonst this other tangential nonsense.

[Rolo]

Originally posted by Cleo@Jan 20 2005, 05:42 PM
DRM works on Macs.

AEBN has vids that play just fine on a Mac and have DRM.

Music sold at the iTunes store has DRM and they work on both Mac and Windows.

WMV files with DRM don't work because Micro$oft hasn't included this ability in their WMP for the Mac.

Ofcourse you can encode for both real and windows media, but it has to make economic sense, and for most paysites it doesn´t.... 1.5% out of $1M income is $15K - thats $985K from drm wmv efforts, and $15K from drm real efforts - then take into consideration the extra cost of maintaining 2 systems, and I´m sure that there will be close to zero profit on the drm real efforts. Depending on your content, business model etc., then I would say that the "average" paysite out there will have to do several millions income before its something to loose sleep over - and how many paysites are pulling in millions?

Also DRM wmv will be spreading beyond the PC in this and the years to come, so I´m guessing that more and more of that 1.5% will be able to watch DRM wmv in the future.

[Cleo]

Can you say charge backs as users buy a membership only to find out they can't view the content.

The paysite that I manage had everything as WMV files and then we added Strongbox membership management which broke Mac users from being able to view WMV files. Mac users are less then 10% of her membership but became 100% of hassle instantly. We ended up re-encoding everything as mpegs and all is well now.

WMV with DRM also do not work with Linux or anything except Windows.

As far as WMV appliances growing just keep in mind that Apple's iPod has over 80% of the music player market and it doesn't play WMV files.

Also Linux and Mac market share is growing while Windows has started to decline.

[Rolo]

Originally posted by Cleo@Jan 21 2005, 04:36 AM
Can you say charge backs as users buy a membership only to find out they can't view the content.

Already established paysites who change to DRM wmv should ofcourse make a introduction periode (2-6 months), where old members are send to the old membership area, and new members are send to the new DRM wmv area. You can even forward old members with windows OS to the new members area. In time those 1-2% of members, which can not play wmv will cancel/expire, without causing chargebacks or support problems. On the tour all samples should be in wmv/asx format, and if you are really paranoid, then tell that the site works with windows (that word will scare all of the hardcore linux/mac users away ;-)) - or you can filter your tour traffic, so people with mac/linux etc. are send to another site...

New sites should have no problems, if they use the tour steps above.

[Cleo]

Just send all your Mac/Linux traffic to me and I'll be happy to take their money then.

[Rolo]

Originally posted by Cleo@Jan 21 2005, 04:36 AM
As far as WMV appliances growing just keep in mind that Apple's iPod has over 80% of the music player market and it doesn't play WMV files.

Also Linux and Mac market share is growing while Windows has started to decline.

Well - in porn we sell movies, not audio, so whatever format the current mp3/ipod players of the world is using doesn´t apply to us.

When Mac and Linux have 10% or more of the market, then ofcourse paysites will adapt, and offer drm to them, because it will make economic sense by then. But like I said before, then that will probably not happen in the next 2 years, so why loose sleep over it... DRM for WMV is here today, and it works

[Rolo]

Originally posted by Cleo@Jan 21 2005, 05:43 AM
Just send all your Mac/Linux traffic to me and I'll be happy to take their money then.

Thats the spirit - the market will solve the DRM issues

[Cleo]

Originally posted by Rolo+Jan 21 2005, 08:46 AM-->