Oprano Front Page


Go Back   Oprano Adult Industry Forums > The Business Of Porn - Closed For Posting > Legacy Archived Main Board

Notices

Legacy Archived Main Board Business chat and general industry chat. All participation is welcome. Dont post your fucking spam here.





Check Out YnotMail

The Original Oprano Flat Board (Thanks To Sarettah!)---
Oprano Swag Shop
"History Of Porn Timeline
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-31-2004   #1
Nickatilynx
Banned
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Nickatilynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver Canada
Posts: 15,115
Default

So what do you think it would go for?
Nickatilynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2004   #2
JoesHO
Members
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
JoesHO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 5,085
Default

500 - 600 installments
__________________
AEBN THE GLOBAL LEADER IN ADULT EVOLUTION

something FIT this way comes!
JoesHO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2004   #3
Nickatilynx
Banned
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Nickatilynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver Canada
Posts: 15,115
Default

Rule of thumb..

top money is 10 times monthly gross on a TGP.

Therefore I say under 300k
Nickatilynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2004   #4
Biggy
Members
 
Biggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 768
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 31 2004, 03:23 PM
Rule of thumb..

top money is 10 times monthly gross on a TGP.

Therefore I say under 300k
agreed.
__________________
Create a solid TGP presence for your site(s).
ICQ: 110850739
Biggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2004   #5
Hell Puppy
Fat Fucking Nobody
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Hell Puppy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 6,523
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 31 2004, 06:23 PM
Rule of thumb..

top money is 10 times monthly gross on a TGP.

Therefore I say under 300k
I agreed initially, but then I took a look to see where he's at on Sextracker. That sites pulling 350K uniques a day.

Even allowing for it being nasty assed traffic, he should have a gross of between $500-750K per year at that level depending on how clever he is with the filtering and ability to milk every penny out of that traffic.

With that said, I still think it's a buyers market for anything in adult right now. It's hard to consider paying even 6 months revenue when you have no idea if the current business models will be functional in 6 months due to processing. I'd guess he got a nice chunk of cash up front, but has the rest of it coming on installments with some contingencies.
Hell Puppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2004   #6
Nickatilynx
Banned
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Nickatilynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver Canada
Posts: 15,115
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Dec 31 2004, 04:51 PM-->
QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Dec 31 2004, 04:51 PM)
Nickatilynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2004   #7
Hell Puppy
Fat Fucking Nobody
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Hell Puppy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 6,523
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Dec 31 2004, 07:56 PM-->
QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Dec 31 2004, 07:56 PM)
Quote:
Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Dec 31 2004, 04:51 PM
Hell Puppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2004   #8
gonzo
Fat Fucking Nobody
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
gonzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Atlanta,Ga.
Posts: 17,795
Blog Entries: 11
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Dec 31 2004, 08:07 PM-->
QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Dec 31 2004, 08:07 PM)
Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 31 2004, 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Dec 31 2004, 04:51 PM
__________________
We are putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."
"Never try and be like anyone else" - Hunter S. Thompson
"The truth is the truth no matter how you try and package a lie" - Shellee Hale
gonzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2005   #9
Opti
Members
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,205
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Jan 1 2005, 10:51 AM-->
QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Jan 1 2005, 10:51 AM)
Opti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2005   #10
Hell Puppy
Fat Fucking Nobody
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Hell Puppy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 6,523
Default

I based my guestimate of income on figuring you should be able to do between 1:5000 and 1:10,000 conversions worst case. The owner should be able to do MUCH better than those just submitting galleries as he can fleece the newbies as they come thru the front door before they even get to the galleries.
Hell Puppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2005   #11
LeeNoga
Members
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 394
Default

What do you think Lars paid for Lensman, "Cams.com" this week? Lars said you could buy a house...well hell, if thats the case, that was $60K..LOL...

I think he paid 350k?

Wonder what Lens paid for GFY.COM?

Can you tell wondering is a hobby for me? *smirk*
__________________
Please see the sig rules, which is pinned for your convenience.
LeeNoga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2005   #12
Nickatilynx
Banned
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Nickatilynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver Canada
Posts: 15,115
Default

Sorry HP , I'd be surprised if someone paid that.

As Opti said:

The rule of thumb is a great measurement and that is TOP money.

Also in these times as he said , I reckon someone sits down with some TGP owners and say "This is the number I am prepared to wire , today , take it or leave it"

Most would take it.

And it would be much lower than 10 times monthly gross.

Maybe as low as 5/6 mths if all cash , and right fucking now.
Nickatilynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2005   #13
Hell Puppy
Fat Fucking Nobody
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Hell Puppy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 6,523
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 1 2005, 12:33 PM
Sorry HP , I'd be surprised if someone paid that.

As Opti said:

The rule of thumb is a great measurement and that is TOP money.

Also in these times as he said , I reckon someone sits down with some TGP owners and say "This is the number I am prepared to wire , today , take it or leave it"

Most would take it.

And it would be much lower than 10 times monthly gross.

Maybe as low as 5/6 mths if all cash , and right fucking now.
Oh, I agree, I think Shap would be out of his mind if he paid more than $100K or so in cash regardless of income. The game is simply changing too fast to make a much larger investment.

Also, if a successful business is sold during a time when it's a buyer's market, there's usually something motivating the seller. There are likely factors we're not aware of which might've presented a bargain.

For instance, I've found that when the April 15th tax deadline looms, one can often pick up bargains in this industry. You also see a lot of year end deals for similar reasons.
Hell Puppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2005   #14
LeeNoga
Members
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 394
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by gonzo@Dec 31 2004, 06:17 PM
I plan on asking him in a few days.
If he doesnt knock my teeth down my throat for bringing him over here for an ambush Ill report back.
Gonzo, I am counting on that!

Er, the asking part..the selling price... not the shit getting kicked out of you...

Imagine the mess, all Krispy Creme doughnuts :-))

Blech :-((

*wink*
__________________
Please see the sig rules, which is pinned for your convenience.
LeeNoga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2005   #15
Nickatilynx
Banned
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Nickatilynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver Canada
Posts: 15,115
Default

The other thing nowadays is...


How do you rate the real amount of traffic a TGP gets?


Used to be websidestory...I remember the first time I had the #1 sign on my counter on my site. Then it broke lol
Alexa uis pretty useless
Sextracker is not used by many and is by all accoubnts gonna be attacked hard by meat and aga , and having gone through that it is NOT amusing ;-)))

So who are the top 20 traffic sites these days?
Nickatilynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2005   #16
gonzo
Fat Fucking Nobody
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
gonzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Atlanta,Ga.
Posts: 17,795
Blog Entries: 11
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by LeeNoga+Jan 1 2005, 05:13 PM-->
QUOTE (LeeNoga @ Jan 1 2005, 05:13 PM)
__________________
We are putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."
"Never try and be like anyone else" - Hunter S. Thompson
"The truth is the truth no matter how you try and package a lie" - Shellee Hale
gonzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-01-2005   #17
Hell Puppy
Fat Fucking Nobody
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Hell Puppy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 6,523
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 1 2005, 05:38 PM
The other thing nowadays is...


How do you rate the real amount of traffic a TGP gets?


Used to be websidestory...I remember the first time I had the #1 sign on my counter on my site. Then it broke lol
Alexa uis pretty useless
Sextracker is not used by many and is by all accoubnts gonna be attacked hard by meat and aga , and having gone through that it is NOT amusing ;-)))

So who are the top 20 traffic sites these days?
Alexa is worthless for anything other than seeing if there's history or whether or someone has just jacked up the numbers in the short term for some reason.

Sextracker is useful if it's loaded, and it usually is on the larger TGP's as they like to show off the numbers.

Balance that with some submissions of your own and you can make a pretty good interpolation about whose the largest. High numbers of clicks and page views isn't necessarily what you want as that can mean they have greedy bookmarkers who come in every single day look at all of the free nekkid pics and never click thru to a god damned thing. High numbers of uniques is much stronger, that's what impressed me about Thumbzilla's traffic.

Anyhoo....top 3 are easy to figure out:

The Hun
Worldsex
AL-4A

It's a good drop from there down to number 4.

Some others that would almost certainly be in the top 20....

Easypic
Video-post
Mark's Bookmarks
Ampland
Thumbzilla
Hell Puppy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #18
LadyMischief
I like it squishy and wierd.
 
LadyMischief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Oakville, Ontario
Posts: 942
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by gonzo+Dec 31 2004, 06:17 PM-->
QUOTE (gonzo @ Dec 31 2004, 06:17 PM)
Quote:
Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Dec 31 2004, 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Dec 31 2004, 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Dec 31 2004, 04:51 PM
__________________

Affiliate Marketing Manager - Homegrowncash
www.homegrowncash.com
LadyMischief is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #19
LadyMischief
I like it squishy and wierd.
 
LadyMischief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Oakville, Ontario
Posts: 942
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Hell Puppy+Jan 1 2005, 05:40 PM-->
QUOTE (Hell Puppy @ Jan 1 2005, 05:40 PM)
__________________

Affiliate Marketing Manager - Homegrowncash
www.homegrowncash.com
LadyMischief is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2005   #20
Nickatilynx
Banned
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Nickatilynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver Canada
Posts: 15,115
Default

Damn we are good...


Areliable source says...


Under 300k

Installments.

Nickatilynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2005   #21
Opti
Members
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,205
Default

What does your crystal ball say would be paid for a linklist site that had 4,749,547 uniques in 2004 and about 2000 joins?
Opti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2005   #22
Nickatilynx
Banned
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Nickatilynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver Canada
Posts: 15,115
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Opti@Jan 4 2005, 11:15 AM
What does your crystal ball say would be paid for a linklist site that had 4,749,547 uniques in 2004 and about 2000 joins?
2000 joins to his own site , or to a sponsor?

;-))))
Nickatilynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2005   #23
Opti
Members
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,205
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Jan 5 2005, 05:36 AM-->
QUOTE (Nickatilynx @ Jan 5 2005, 05:36 AM)
Opti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2005   #24
Nickatilynx
Banned
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Nickatilynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver Canada
Posts: 15,115
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Opti+Jan 4 2005, 11:42 AM-->

QUOTE (Opti @ Jan 4 2005, 11:42 AM)
Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 5 2005, 05:36 AM
Nickatilynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2005   #25
Opti
Members
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,205
Default

Hmmm.. yeah maybe.

But I don't like hesitating, must have something like ADD I think.. the site could be a bargain for someione more interested in building than partying in LV ;-)

It attracts 150-200 webmaster submissions per day. Has a couple of thousand backlinks according to google. Alexa says it is ranked at about 25,000.

No ballpark suggestion? Why are we all so sure we know what a TGP is worth but cant guess a figure for a linklist with a lot more info? :angry:

(thats a serious question too btw)
Opti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2005   #26
Nickatilynx
Banned
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Nickatilynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver Canada
Posts: 15,115
Default

Ok , you asked what I'd would BUY it for..

2000 joins at 30 = 60k


I'd offer him 40k cash...

Nickatilynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2005   #27
Opti
Members
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,205
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 5 2005, 06:12 AM
Ok , you asked what I'd would BUY it for..

2000 joins at 30 = 60k


I'd offer him 40k cash...

yeah me too re: 40k :\

The site "feeds" about 20 or 30 other quality domains that also make a modest income, so it would take a lot more to make it sensible to sell


Forget I asked... delusions of grandeur got me going when thinking about a TGP selling for 250k+ ;-))

Thumbzilla is a topend quality site as far as a TGP goes too.
Opti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2005   #28
JR
Members
The global leader in pay-per-view AEBN
 
JR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: in my chair
Posts: 3,320
Default

I would imagine that a TGP is no different than any other area of this business... if you have the brains and talent to take over a TGP like this, maintain it, maintain the revenue and then make it grow.. then you have the brains and talent to start it from scratch. I would not imagine that it sold for much given the fact that it can become worthless almost overnight. Its not like a brick and mortar business where you have tangible assets that are worth something.

I would guess that it would be worth much more to someone who is really ignorant of the business than to someone who really knows how to make it work, milk every penny out of it and to maintain and grow it. 350K uniques per day is not much. Many many many small guys own 5-10 tpg sites doing much more than this... and they would be lucky to sell what they have at all.
__________________
JR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2005   #29
Nickatilynx
Banned
Want to see your own Advertising Here!
 
Nickatilynx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Vancouver Canada
Posts: 15,115
Default

Quote:
I would not imagine that it sold for much given the fact that it can become worthless almost overnight
Thats pretty much it in a nutshell.
Nickatilynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:29 PM..


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Evil Empire Inc. 2006-2022