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[RawAlex]

Well, the new free Afghanistan is going gangbusters... poppy fields are more productive than ever, even with 30% crop losses this year.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/11/1...m.ap/index.html

I guess there will be an official handoff from the "war on terrorism" people to the "war on drugs" people, who will then piss off all the locals who will turn into terrorists again.

Gotta love it.

Alex

[Mike AI]

How many terrorist bases are operating in Afganistan?

How much pot is grown in Canada?

[Vick]

Is it just me or is it funny some UN clown wants to call on the US and NATO forces to stop (or curb) what they feel is a problem

Where's France in all this? ah ha ha ha. Where's Canada rushing to solve the problem? Where is the call to these two mighty nations to help in a humanitarian fashion?

I say let them grow poppies and build their economy

[Almighty Colin]

Meanwhile, in Western Nations, crack pipes get passed out on the street by the government.

[PornoDoggy]

This is just another consequence of fighting a war on the cheap - destruction of what passed for central control by a government without even an attempt to replace it.

The Bush Administration has obviously concluded that an increase in opium production is am accetable price to pay for occupying Afghanistan without enough troops to counter it. This is a compromise that seems to reflect a change in national priorities.

The links between terrorism and the narcotics trade has been pretty well established by example in South America - neither group is particularly picky about who they will work with.

The idea that you can compare Canadian pot with opium is absurd at best. While I'm not aware of any government handing out crack pipes, needle exchanges serve a public health purpose. While it sounds good and fine to blame it on the U.N. (when in doubt, after all), Afghani opium production was long regarded as a problem by the United States.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 19 2004, 01:51 PM
This is just another consequence of fighting a war on the cheap - destruction of what passed for central control by a government without even an attempt to replace it.

The Bush Administration has obviously concluded that an increase in opium production is am accetable price to pay for occupying Afghanistan without enough troops to counter it. This is a compromise that seems to reflect a change in national priorities.

The links between terrorism and the narcotics trade has been pretty well established by example in South America - neither group is particularly picky about who they will work with.

The idea that you can compare Canadian pot with opium is absurd at best. While I'm not aware of any government handing out crack pipes, needle exchanges serve a public health purpose. While it sounds good and fine to blame it on the U.N. (when in doubt, after all), Afghani opium production was long regarded as a problem by the United States.

I understand Alex and you love to point out every little problem in the world and try to lay it down at the US/Bush's feet....

It is all a matter of priority. Right now with a war going on, fighting drugs is not a major priority. There is only so many assets to go around.

[PornoDoggy]

Mike, I was complaining about inadequate "boots on the ground" in Afghainstan before we went into Iraq. This "war on the cheap" policy could very well bit us in the ass before we are done, particularly if you get your way and we take on Iran, Syria, Canada and France in the next four years.

I don't dispute that Alex seems to take a certain glee at the problems Bush encounters (or, in this case, creates for himself) ... but you are every bit his equal in glossing over or outright denying mistakes or failures that Bush makes.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Nov 19 2004, 02:15 PM
Mike, I was complaining about inadequate "boots on the ground" in Afghainstan before we went into Iraq. This "war on the cheap" policy could very well bit us in the ass before we are done, particularly if you get your way and we take on Iran, Syria, Canada and France in the next four years.

I don't dispute that Alex seems to take a certain glee at the problems Bush encounters (or, in this case, creates for himself) ... but you are every bit his equal in glossing over or outright denying mistakes or failures that Bush makes.

What would the benefit of having 500,000 troops in Afganistan bring? Cutting down on drugs??

OUr boots on the ground need to be directed at placed that are direct threats. Iraq, Iran, Syrian, N. Korea.

Should we start invading countries because they grow drugs??

This is absurd. It is all about prioritizing. I would say rouge Nations developing nuclear weapons is a higher priority then eradicating poppy in Afganistan.

How successful were the British, Russians, and others who tried massive "boots on the ground" campaigns?

Afganistan is a clear victory for the US. I know its hard for self loathing liberals who want their country to fail to understand this. But we achieved out goals, and have pretty much bunked out. After all we are NOT the World's police!

[PornoDoggy]

The only loathing I have at the moment is for self-righteous, weak minded self-described "experts" who cannot respond to a challenge to their views without trotting out the tired rhetoric of somebody else.

Where did you get the 500,000 figure? Outta your ass?

Are you really so stupid that I have to explain to you that the kind of lawlessness that allows the drug trade to florish is also the kind of lawlessness that allows the terrorists to operate?

Afghanistan may in fact be a victory - that remains to be seen.

I want my country to fail? Cram it up your ass sideways, you stupid fucking fool.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally posted by Vick@Nov 19 2004, 07:25 AM
Is it just me or is it funny some UN clown wants to call on the US and NATO forces to stop (or curb) what they feel is a problem

Where's France in all this? ah ha ha ha. Where's Canada rushing to solve the problem? Where is the call to these two mighty nations to help in a humanitarian fashion?

I say let them grow poppies and build their economy

""Canada was one of the first NATO countries to send ground troops into Afghanistan to fight alongside U.S. soldiers in the hunt for al-Qaeda terrorists two years ago.""


Don't let facts get in the way of your rhetoric though

"" OTTAWA, Nov. 12 /CNW Telbec/ - About 700 Canadian Forces (CF) personnel,
mostly from Canadian Forces Base Petawawa, Ontario, will deploy to Kabul,
Afghanistan in February 2005, on Rotation 3 of Operation ATHENA, Canada's
contribution to the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF). "Canada is
committed to rebuilding Afghanistan through a combination of diplomacy,
defence and development," said Defence Minister Bill Graham. "We continue to
support ISAF in making Afghanistan safe and secure for its people as they
rebuild under a democratically elected government."""

[PornoDoggy]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx+Nov 19 2004, 02:54 PM-->