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Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 4 2004, 01:56 PM It's ok wig, even though I respect your rights and opinions, you don't need to recip.
Being a world superpower, you can pick and choose.
I am pretty left of center myself, and quit the NRA over 20 years ago.
Wig is right ... the genie is out of the bottle. Taking guns out of America would be like taking fish and chips out of the UK or moose out of Canada . It's a part of the lifestyle or culture of a large segment of the population, the vast majority of whom are perfectly law abiding and not a threat to society in any way.
When it comes to kids and guns in the house, you have to consider the kids, too. If your three year old has already learned how to pick the child locks on the upper cabinets, you might be well advised to be a little more cautious than if Johnny or Janie almost always does what you tell them.
I find the arguements of those who would ban all guns as simplistic as the arguements that guns in the house are no different than knives in the house. I find most of the arguements against registration fairly weak as well ... the paranoia of those who envision "a knock on the door" (probably after survellience by black U.N. helicopter) suggests a mental condition that would suggest gun ownership is probably not appropriate for that individual, IMHO.
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I hate guns.............I am afraid of guns..... I hate the sound of them & can't hardly bear to hold one in my hand.
I fired a hunting rifle when I was a kid & my arm hurt for days.
I have a small handgun in my night stand by my bed. I don't have a clue where the bullets are or probably how to load it. Guns make me VERY nervous.
I know collectors, who do the right thing by them. They are never loaded & secure. I know people who carry & I am very uneasy when I go places with them.
A lot has to do with the way you were brought up.......................... I have mixed feelings. As with most things - I think you should be able to do whatever you want to do, unless it reflects badly or harms another person. But, I don't think people should walk around with a loaded gun, where there are a lot of people, unless there is good reason. It is an accident just waiting to happen.... Not everyone has good sense....... they need to maybe give common-sense exams with permits..... ahhahaha
1) Habit. I grew up with guns. We always had a shotgun or rifle in the truck behind the seat and a handgun in the glove box. Like I said before, it is second nature.
2) Because I can. I am licensed. Have passed an FBI background check and I am fingerprinted, etc. This also comes in handy with law enforcement who like to know they are dealing with someone who has passed an FBI background check. The vast majority of law enforcement officers are relieved when an individual presents them their gun license along with their drivers license as is the law.
3) When I go into Atlanta or haul my horses to remote locations with my wife and son I have it in case I need it when I am in unfamiliar, crime ridden or desolate areas.
4) I live on a farm. We have chicken houses close to us while also being surrounded by 100's of acres of woods. As a result there are plenty of varmits and rabid animals (coyotes, wild dogs, foxes, bobcat, racoons, etc) that are either 1) a nuisance 2) dangerous or 3) after my domestic animals.
5) Because I do not share the feelings of those who think guns are a problem and are a danger to society. Because I have never in 38 years witnessed an accident that caused a death or serious injury, nor do I know of anyone personally who has been a victim of a murder with a gun (i did have a cousin that committed suicide).
6) Because I believe the beneifits far outway the drawbacks.
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Aug 5 2004, 10:11 AM Chris,
All said and done , wig has a gun do not fuck with him!!!!
;-)))
I remind people who want to "surprise" me by coming over unannounced: There's a gun next to the door and it will be used by me if I'm ever "surprised" :P
Originally posted by wig@Aug 5 2004, 07:35 AM Fair question. Several reasons...
1) Habit. I grew up with guns. We always had a shotgun or rifle in the truck behind the seat and a handgun in the glove box. Like I said before, it is second nature.
And you wanted to fit-in? You didnt want to be mocked as "No-Gun Dan" when you went to the general store to buy your chicken feed?
ok ok, ill stop
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I have to agree that 1) habit, and 2) because I can, are poor reasons to own a gun. And you listed them 1 and 2 which also makes be scratch my head.
Reason 4... I can see that.
I still see no reason for a civilian to own a handgun, though. *shrug*
Hey, I know I'm not going to change minds here. It's just my views on the matter.
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Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 5 2004, 10:53 AM I have to agree that 1) habit, and 2) because I can, are poor reasons to own a gun. And you listed them 1 and 2 which also makes be scratch my head.
Reason 4... I can see that.
I still see no reason for a civilian to own a handgun, though. *shrug*
Hey, I know I'm not going to change minds here. It's just my views on the matter.
what about alcohol?
it contribute to more deaths than handguns...and without alcohol, maybe there would be less handgun deaths?
no reason to own a handgun? yeah, it's real easy for a woman to carry a shotgun in her purse for protection...
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Aug 5 2004, 12:57 PM I wonder if there are stats for deaths by someone taking there gun off them and shooting them with it
I saw stats on that somewhere, but can't remember where now...
The thing with owning a gun, is that people need to be trained to adequately use one. There is a lot of responsibility in owning a gun and most gun owners have no problems with 7 day waiting periods, firearms training, etc. Most people who have a gun "for protection" would never be able to pull the trigger if they were in a situation that required it.
I know where I grew up, you had to take a hunter's safety course and if you didn't have the little orange card if a game warden came by, your gun generally went bye-bye. I remember my dad nearly shitting his pants whena game warden stopped by our truck for a chitchat and I realized I had left my card at home. Luckily, it was just chitchat and the warden didn't ask for the card, conservation stamp, etc.
Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 5 2004, 04:21 PM The purpose of alcohol is not to shoot and kill.
LOL, we could go back and forth forever Sykk.
Why does a woman need to carry a handgun in her purse? Because the society she lives in has become one where she needs to do it because there are so many other people with similar weapons. This is essentially the part I'm not all right with.
Given the choice, would you rather live in a gun happy society? Or a society where very few people owned guns?
.... and it goes on.
And exactly what IS the "purpose" of alcohol?
I carry one in my purse when I'm somewhere I don't feel safe. I couldn't care less if someone comes near me with a gun or not. I want to be able to show them I am AT LEAST as equally armed as they are
I live in a very happy society here in the woods, BTW. And I bet at least 90% of the adults here own guns
Originally posted by Vick@Aug 5 2004, 08:28 AM I read the original post, um I think it's satire
Guns aren't the problem........
...... bullets are
a gun without bullets is about like a baseball bat
Naw Vick, it's not the bullets fault either. It's when a persons body is used
to stop one that's moving really really fast that tends to curtail lifeforces
or cause mess... therefore it's negative accelleration's fault...
neg delta v... it's a killer!
Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 5 2004, 10:53 AM I have to agree that 1) habit, and 2) because I can, are poor reasons to own a gun. And you listed them 1 and 2 which also makes be scratch my head.
Reason 4... I can see that.
I still see no reason for a civilian to own a handgun, though. *shrug*
Hey, I know I'm not going to change minds here. It's just my views on the matter.
I did not list them in any particular order.
I am scratiching my head at you scratching your head.
If you understand any reasons, then the point is closed.
You simply cannot point out how my having a hand gun has any more risks or drawbacks than my owning a car or having a swimming pool.
You are just indoctrinated one way and I am the other.
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Aug 5 2004, 12:57 PM I wonder if there are stats for deaths by someone taking there gun off them and shooting them with it
I would love to see those stats. I find it hard to believe that there are many instances of this.
Of course, the anti-gun crowd certainly likes to use that line.
Originally posted by Evil Chris@Aug 5 2004, 03:21 PM Why does a woman need to carry a handgun in her purse? Because the society she lives in has become one where she needs to do it because there are so many other people with similar weapons. This is essentially the part I'm not all right with.
This is where you are completely wrong.
Society may sometimes be a dangerous place for a woman when alone, but the vast majority of the time it is not because someone else is armed with a gun. That is just a blatant exaggeration with no facts to support it.
My father was a physician, and a rare person who was able to get a carry permit in New York City. (He made housecalls...)
When he went for his interview the conversation went like this:
Sergeant: Okay, so you're a doctor... Let me put you in a situation. Let's say someone breaks into your house and you shoot him. You're a doctor and you could save his life. What are you gonna do?
Dad: Put the other five bullets in his head.
Sergeant: That's absolutely right, cuz if you don't he'll be back after you and your family...
The sergeant approved my father's application and he got his license.
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My father always taught me to respect guns. It was unthinkable for me to show them to my friends or mess around with them without him around. We used to go to a range when I was a kid, and I learned to use a gun properly. The guns were always under lock and key, unless my father was on a housecall... Twice he was mugged, and twice he pulled out his gun. He never had to fire it, but it did save his life.
My father died way too young, but at least it was because of an accident and not some schmuck who wanted the 30 bucks he made on a housecall...
Originally posted by VooMan@Aug 6 2004, 09:55 AM My father was a physician, and a rare person who was able to get a carry permit in New York City. (He made housecalls...)
When he went for his interview the conversation went like this:
Sergeant: Okay, so you're a doctor... Let me put you in a situation. Let's say someone breaks into your house and you shoot him. You're a doctor and you could save his life. What are you gonna do?
Dad: Put the other five bullets in his head.
Sergeant: That's absolutely right, cuz if you don't he'll be back after you and your family...
The sergeant approved my father's application and he got his license.
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My father always taught me to respect guns. It was unthinkable for me to show them to my friends or mess around with them without him around. We used to go to a range when I was a kid, and I learned to use a gun properly. The guns were always under lock and key, unless my father was on a housecall... Twice he was mugged, and twice he pulled out his gun. He never had to fire it, but it did save his life.
My father died way too young, but at least it was because of an accident and not some schmuck who wanted the 30 bucks he made on a housecall...
08-04-2004
. It's a part of the lifestyle or culture of a large segment of the population, the vast majority of whom are perfectly law abiding and not a threat to society in any way.
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