Sarin Nerve Agent (WMD) Found In Iraq

[Almighty Colin]

I think Bush made the decision to go to war against Iraq very shortly after 9-11. First Afghanistan, then Iraq. He then chose his justification but it looks like he probably bet wrong. I agree with Wig ut not sure if in the same way. The people who were most hawkish on Iraq - and there many in this administration - saw in the intelligence what they wanted to see. Many of us (me, for example) used Saddam's past actions as indicative of his future ones. The rational Saddam theory. Ummm, ok. Should have known better. That's what makes "intelligence" intelligence and not fact.

Either way, the administration made a lot of political mistakes. Rumsfeld's labelling France and Germany "Old Europe" was a real error. A really bad one. Then again, there were many administration members of other countries who made similar statements about other countries - such as Chirac calling eastern european countries "childish" for agreeing with the US position. Wasn't there a Canadian official who said something bad about the US that created an uproar? I can't remember it.

The US will have to live up to a higher standard than it is has. The leader of France making such statements is not going to create as much long-term negative will toward it as the US will. Neither will a Canadian or Spanish official. This is just a a political reality. The product of balance of power politics.

Some of the angst was unavoidable once the decision was made. The US had to go to the UN for Blair, for example. Well, none of this is new. The US tried to stop the Suez canal war in the UN and Britain and France vetoed it and went to war anyway. I'm sure there were a few the USSR started too.

I'm still glad Saddam's gone. Was it worth it? Tell you in about ten years.

[aeon]

Originally posted by Buff@May 17 2004, 06:10 AM
You can all continue eating a big fat dick.

We invaded a sovereign nation for one round...sweet. Now we're there and oil is skyrocketing; robbing a bank and leaving the fuckin' money behind.

At least georgie jr could have tried to give a better angle...like the 55K people that went missing each year under hussein, the oil, the grudge about his dad, the ongoing expense of containment, etc.,



Last edited by aeon at May 18 2004, 07:56 AM

[Rolo]

Originally posted by aeon@May 18 2004, 07:55 AM
Now we're there and oil is skyrocketing

High oil pricing is more due to the fact that the world economy is going forward - supply and demand - those asian countries producing our TV screens, laptops, mobilphones etc. are all bidding for the same oil.

[JR]

Originally posted by aeon@May 18 2004, 07:55 AM

At least georgie jr could have tried to give a better angle...like the 55K people that went missing each year under hussein, the oil, the grudge about his dad, the ongoing expense of containment, etc.,

thats the retarded thing about people. tell them a forest is going to get cut down and people are chaining themselves to trees and up in arms as if it would bring the end of the world as we know it. people are so stupid that they will launch massive propaganda campaigns like "meat is murder" to stop you from killing chickens for food. when did "murder" stop being "murder"?

the simple fact that people are suffering and dying has never been a convincing argument for any significant military action... as long as its "someone else", "somewhere else" who is doing the suffering and dying.

[Rolo]

The only thing keeping us from ultimate victory in iraq is ourself... the western world have used 1 year on debating if the war was legitimate or not, given the reason too armed opposition to use this against us. I think many people in the western world live too much in a ideal fantasy world instead in the muddy real world... I´m sure that every human being on this planet atleast 1 time in their lifetime want peace and respect for every other human being on this planet - the issue is just that the very core of life make us not having the same ideals at the same time - thats why the world is muddy.

I bet if the western world use 50% of the time looking at future of iraq instead of the past, then we would see progress daily in Iraq. As every other aspect in western life/culture/democracy, then we are truly our own worst enemy...



Last edited by Rolo at May 18 2004, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by JR+May 17 2004, 06:49 PM-->