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Old 05-14-2004   #1
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Thursday, May 13, 2004

WASHINGTON — Nicholas Berg, the American businessman executed by Islamic extremists in Iraq, may have had contact with accused Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui (search).



FBI agents interviewed Berg a few years ago when they were investigating the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, sources said. He was interviewed because, unbeknownst to him, Moussaoui had used his e-mail account when he was in Oklahoma.

Sources close to the situation told Fox News that they believed the link to be "coincidental."

On Tuesday, a video surfaced on an Islamic Web site that showed Berg kneeling in front of five men who had their faces covered. After blasting the U.S. government for the prison abuse scandal at Iraq's Abu Ghraib (search) prison, one man takes a long knife and decapitates Berg.

Intelligence officials said Thursday that terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search) was most likely the man who beheaded Berg.

The disclosure later Thursday that Berg may have had contact with Moussaoui deepened the mystery of the businessman's plight.

Berg attended the University of Oklahoma (search) and Moussaoui first settled in Norman, Okla., when he came to the United States. The accused co-conspirator used at least one of the university's computers to communicate online, according to the sources.

Sources said that the FBI concluded that Berg had innocently given his e-mail account to someone and it had landed in the hands of other people, including Moussaoui.

The federal government has vowed to seek Moussaoui's execution if he's convicted of participating in a terrorism conspiracy, along with the Sept. 11 hijackers. Moussaoui's lawyers are seeking to rule out the death penalty.
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Sources said that the FBI concluded that Berg had innocently given his e-mail account to someone and it had landed in the hands of other people, including Moussaoui.
Coincidence? ahaahahahahaaha! Yeah, right!

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...and this changes the fact that a group of camel jockey's are responsible for killing him in what way?

Fuckin' more liberal idiocy - blame everyone and everything cept the person(s) responsible. A philosophy of total irresponsibility, denial and excuses.
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...and this changes the fact that a group of camel jockey's are responsible for killing him in what way?

Fuckin' more liberal idiocy - blame everyone and everything cept the person(s) responsible. A philosophy of total irresponsibility, denial and excuses.
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...and this changes the fact that a group of camel jockey's are responsible for killing him in what way?

Fuckin' more liberal idiocy - blame everyone and everything cept the person(s) responsible. A philosophy of total irresponsibility, denial and excuses.
Bush is responsible for every death in this war, on both sides.

And that's the bottom line.
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The bottom line is that asshats like you will look for any reason to use selective reductionism to justify your conspiracies, deluded agenda's and intellectual failings in a desperate effort to blame anyone other than the actual agents.

Bush isn't responsible for those sand niggers killing that guy. Bush isn't responsible for those soldiers abusing those prisoners. Bush isnt' responsible for the sand niggers butchering women in afghanistan. Bush isn't responsible for that towel headed cleric hiding in mosques and so and and so on. Grown up people, something you obviously fail to grasp, make grown up decisions and are responsible for them. Those that look for excuses..are what they are - failures. You're not the intellectually superior - you're complete and total lack of even the basic premises of logic are profound to say the least...
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The bottom line is that asshats like you will look for any reason to use selective reductionism to justify your conspiracies, deluded agenda's and intellectual failings in a desperate effort to blame anyone other than the actual agents.

Bush isn't responsible for those sand niggers killing that guy. Bush isn't responsible for those soldiers abusing those prisoners. Bush isnt' responsible for the sand niggers butchering women in afghanistan. Bush isn't responsible for that towel headed cleric hiding in mosques and so and and so on. Grown up people, something you obviously fail to grasp, make grown up decisions and are responsible for them. Those that look for excuses..are what they are - failures. You're not the intellectually superior - you're complete and total lack of even the basic premises of logic are profound to say the least...
Bush made the decision to go to war. Everything after that is a consequence of his decision.

I'm afraid it really is that simple.

Hitler started World War 2. Is he somehow not responsible for it's conseqences?



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Oh yes it is. Sadaam hussein made the decision to not comply with UN sanctions, the UN made the decisions to impose those sanctions. They made those decisions because he invaded Kuwait. He invaded Kuwait because Kuwait was oil rich and used to be a part of the Iraq...you can reduce shit to infinity...you, in your agenda driven "logic" only pick the degree of causality that suits your purpose...

It's intellectually inferior and demonstrative of blind devotion. Peripheral & implied causality is called the devil theory of history - it's laughed at because it's deserved to be. That's like saying "hitler caused ww2" - that's the simpleton's view of history and reality...



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Oh yes it is. Sadaam hussein made the decision to not comply with UN sanctions, the UN made the decisions to impose those sanctions. They made those decisions because he invaded Kuwait. He invaded Kuwait because Kuwait was oil rich and used to be a part of the Iraqi empire...you can reduce shit to infinity...you, in your agenda driven "logic only pick the degree of causality that suits your purpose...

It's intellectually inferior and demonstrative of blind devotion. Peripheral & implied causality is called the devil theory of history - it's laughed at because it's deserved to be. That's like saying "hitler caused ww2" - that's the simpleton's view of history and reality...
Blah, blah, blah, blah... Bush always had the option not to go to war. There was no immediate threat. All that WMD scaremongering was all based on bullshit. Bush was simply using American anger at arabs/muslims after 9/11 to get public support for his warmongering and imperialist agenda.

The U.N. never gave Bush authorisation to invade Iraq. He made the decision. He is fucking responsible.

You can argue as long and as hard as you want but the logic is inescapable.

Accept it. Move on.



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So ... it's a coincidence that the FBI interviewed him some time ago about possible ties to al Qaida

...AND that his father is a prominent antiwar activist

...AND the Americans didn't have him in detention, the fully independent (cough) Iraqi police did ...

Whole lotta coincidences going on here, don'tcha think? (aimed mostly at future readers of this thread ... thinking is not a quality I think many of the current posters engage in).

To any fucktards who think they are intelligent, please note - I did not say it was a vast conspiracy. I did say that something don't smell quite right. It is probable that this was a guy in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that his goodwill toward men didn't serve him very well with the nasty sort of folks that ended up killing him.

On the other hand, you gotta be a moron to look at the facts and pretend that you can definitively state it's a coincidence. Stranger things than cooperation between the fully independent (cough) Iraqi police and terrorist organizaitons happen in a country under anarchy ... and by gawdamitey, the timing was somewhat fortuitous for people hoping to get the attention away from the prisoner abuse incidents.

Coincidence? Probably ... but I can't rule out the possibility that somebody's trying to sell me a Kosher ham, either.
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Hi pot, let me introduce you to kettle...

Your overuse of term 'sand niggers' is pretty pathetic language. Expected more from you than employing the tactic of name calling and pandering your debate to score points with the baser lurkers...

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yea i've heard this, no surprise, you guys have it all backwards


in the U.S. it's slang for stud.
Look, junior ... we all know that politics bores you, and that you think this war ought to be fought as long as it's not by your pussy ass ...

but, come on now ... you're going to have to do more than agree with Serge in threads like this to impress him.

let the grownups talk for a while, son.
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please, i posted hahaha at the pencil sharpener comment and my opinion.

you can skip on over it, wouldn't bother me. and my pussy ass wouldn't be caught dead or alive in that desert, i'll pay my taxes and say its a good cause once in a while that's it.
You are amusing in a kind of Eddie Haskell way, boy ... but I guaran-goddam-tee you, you would become a militant antiwar activist about 15 minutes after they passed a new draft law.
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As everyone knows, I support this war and Bush in it.

However the Berg thing is bugging me, I would like to know what the real story is.
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Coincidence, but damn weird!
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However the Berg thing is bugging me, I would like to know what the real story is.
wouldn't we all...

I try to be an optimist most of the time, but I just can't...I've lost so much faith in our government and the people in power

I'm a bright eyed optimist who wants to believe some of our leaders are caring people who really want to do good, but it just seems there are more cockholsters running the country than in the adult business.

I'd trust Jon Atherton with my bank account information more than my duly elected representatives to mow my lawn...

I like to laugh at the tinfoil hate people, but find myself getting closer to them than I really feelo comfortable with.

I'd like to form an educated opinion on this whole fucking thing, but those are quite hard to do when there's more smoke and mirrors going on than at a Sigfried And Roy Christmas Show.....
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here's another coincidence.

not only was berg wearing a guantanamo-style prison jumpsuit, it turns out al quaeda also shops for furniture at the same store as the US military:

http://rense.com/general52/chair.htm
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I would say, not a coincedence, and count me in with the liberals, I want to be as far away from Bush as possible, and believe he and rumsfeld should be tried for war crimes when the day is done!

That said, I hope they fry the guy lopping off the heads of americans too.

but we should not be there, however that does not make the barbarianism any less dispicable either.
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Back to the point - devoid of "star spangled" blinders, simpletons such as yourself always seek the simplest answers that don't challenge their "faith"...that's why televangelists get rich...

It's all bush's fault...accept it.
Jesus died for your sins...accept it.
Hitler is solely responsible for ww2...accept it.
ahahahahahahahaha... yeah sure, just like it's all the liberal's fault. Hello pot, meet kettle.

Sorry, but I haven't seen any evidence of critical thinking on this board from you, just anti-leftist, barely comprehensible dribble.

I've got to say, watching you attempting to pass yourself off as some kind of intellectual superior is extremely humourous. Especially when you even have difficulty stringing complete sentences together. "..." is no excuse for not understanding proper punctuation.

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Yes, the sort of person who would use the term "camel Jockey"

So what exactly is Bush responsible for? Why don't you enlighten us all?

Explain to us how is all the liberals fault that Bush went to war in Iraq?

I'd love a good giggle.



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wheee...now we have all the fuckwads hopping on board! A right wing tard who can only make a living fucking whores for someone else, a person who believed wiccans were actually burned at the stake, and a junky liberal twit...it's a homoerotic version of the three stooges on acid!

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wheee...now we have all the fuckwads hopping on board! A right wing tard who can only make a living fucking whores for someone else, a person who believed wiccans were actually burned at the stake, and a junky liberal twit...it's a homoerotic version of the three stooges on acid!

The bars close in a few hours - to be continued.
who is a junkie liberal twit?
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The bars close in a few hours - to be continued.
Yo, shitferbrains ... as I recall, I admitted that I was incorrect in stating that Wicans were burned at the stake. I also think that the meaning of the post I made was reasonably accurate in spite of that particular error.

But you seem to remember it better than I do.
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ahahahahahahahaha... yeah sure, just like it's all the liberal's fault. Hello pot, meet kettle.
That’s called a fragmented sentence. Damn yer stupid. Possibly you can show me anywhere I said it was liberal’s fault?
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Sorry, but I haven't seen any evidence of critical thinking on this board from you, just anti-leftist, barely comprehensible dribble.
It's become more than obvious that induction is barely comprehensible to you...this doesn't shock me.
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I've got to say, watching you attempting to pass yourself off as some kind of intellectual superior is extremely humourous. Especially when you even have difficulty stringing complete sentences together. "..." is no excuse for not understanding proper punctuation.
you...are...a...fuckwit. “humourous” eh?…and can’t quite get the concept of a complete sentence down can you? Interesting you should talk about grammar…
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Yes, the sort of person who would use the term "camel Jockey"
Oh my, I said a bad word...should I wash my mouth out with soap now? Did I offend the sensitivities of some poor twit somewhere before he was about to behead a woman for infidelity? I'll rush right out to apologize...and tell him a porn peddling leftist on an adult webmaster board was looking out for his cultural sensitivities.
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So what exactly is Bush responsible for? Why don't you enlighten us all?
You should actually read what I write unless that's too difficult...I never made a statement anywhere about what bush is actually responsible for...other than his own decisions - like everyone else, just like Hussein made his, Hitler made his, berg made his, I make mine; it's called individual responsibility - a concept foreign to your excuse drive dogma.
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Explain to us how is all the liberals fault that Bush went to war in Iraq?
Again, shouldn't you use you're obvious mental prowess and show me where I ever said liberals were to blame for the war in Iraq...do you actually read or just mumble your ideological idiocies out on cue?. You can't and won't because actually justifying a position that challenges your dogmatic ideology is alien to followers of their faith.

Lemme break it down for you scooter since you obviously have the inability to grasp it on yer own. I don't even like bush nor do I support the war in Iraq - no where have I ever said I support it or bush...you're presuming because that's what "followers" of dogma do when their worldview is challenged in a way they're unable to defend. Patriotism is nationalism for those without a historical connection to a land and both are idiotic. Liberals are fun because they do exactly what you've done - take the bait and behave like robots. Anyone that dare criticizes the superior "leftist" mentality must be a conservative and blame the liberals for everything. Maybe when whatever drug you're on at the moment wears off, you'll understand it's the same logic as jerry fallwell...it's presumptive, biased and true "prejudice"...But then again, there's nothing better than a slave who thinks he's free.

And oh yea - and as I've said before, the only difference between liberals and conservatives; conservatives are honest in their hypocrisy.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, aeon, but conservatives, are not honest about anything, let alone the hypocrasy part LOL
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aeon, with respect to your public "school" ("free") education: you get what you pay for. I am sincerely sorry your parents didn't love you enough to pay for your education.
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aeon, with respect to your public "school" ("free") education: you get what you pay for. I am sincerely sorry your parents didn't love you enough to pay for your education.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, aeon, but conservatives, are not honest about anything, let alone the hypocrasy part LOL

Joe I am not honest?
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well said mike, I do however disagree, and yes I do belive in mankind to do the right thing more times than not, so that could be why I think that a simple majority rules system is the only true non partisan system that we can use..

Bush did send only his cronies to get the spoils of war, and yes... we are waivering, as thwe 9- 11 effect has not been forgoten, it just can not be used to blind us anylonger, so as we see more of the truth behind the man that is GW coming forward, then of course his aprroval ratings will continue to drop. So rejoice, as someone with a better econimic agenda is on the way in!!!
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Mike ... Bush may in fact have turned years of foreign policy on its ear, but calling it progressive is unmitigated horseshit.

In my "uneducated morons" opinion (that's what you thnk of everyone who doesn't think just like you, isn't it?), Bush has cobbled together a number of failed 19th and 20th century ideas (colonialism or it's cultural cousin, neocolonialism; conventional military operations against gurellia forces).

The bold action taken as a result of 9/11 - the invasion of Afghanistan - was the only course of action that could be taken. Regardless of the mantra of the ignorant and the bobblheads, John Kerry would have done it, Hillary Clinton would have done it, Al Gore would have done it, Teddy Fucking Kennedy would have done it. You've got to get out to the lunatic fringe (Kuccinich?) before it is reasonable to assume there would have been any waffling. And yeah ... the Taliban are gone for now.

When the history of the war on terror is written, the war in Iraq will be regarded as a collossal mistake. I think George Bush will be regarded in history as Churchillian ... as in Galopoli. Brave, bold action indeed - but a futile sacrifce for no practical gain.
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