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“Listen,” continued Meni, “Mars is just that...it’s Mars. I am leading the NBA in scoring and we’re talking about Mars! Mars? We’re going to sit here and discuss Mars man...Mars...”
You know I'm no big fan of Bush by any means but I'd love to see money spent on a mission to Mars and a HUGE ramp up of our space program. You set an extrememly ambitous mission for spacve exploartion and the benefits from the research in other areas will be enormus.
Go to Mars! How about something exciting from NASA? Something exciting enough to get more young kids interested in science. NASA has put all kinds of great observatories in space the past 20 years and has sent probes to and by other planets. A lot of real science has been done. What has been missing is the human factor -- the human factor that caused a generation of kids to grow up wanting to be astronauts like Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin. Rovers don't make good role models.
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Originally posted by Vick@Mar 25 2004, 12:41 AM Meni I have a question for you
Are you concerned about feeding the hungry in this country?
oh Vick I didn't see this till I replied to Peaches
how she points out how space exploration helps everyone
and i should learn to use google
ok
i know google a bit
to the worth of $150K in 2 months for PARIS HILTON
lick me thank you
Originally posted by TheEnforcer@Mar 25 2004, 03:36 AM You know I'm no big fan of Bush by any means but I'd love to see money spent on a mission to Mars and a HUGE ramp up of our space program. You set an extrememly ambitous mission for spacve exploartion and the benefits from the research in other areas will be enormus.
How about spending it on stem cell research
so instead of PRAYING that some kid in a wheelchair can walk
he can actually walk some day
is that crazy opranauts? hmm?
you want to explore Mars
you don't even take care of your own
you wanna play science, then stem cell research would help/save millions
What did the last 30 years of space exploration do?
I'd love to debate any of you clowns
on SPACE vs STEM CELL
ha ha
Meni, again - do some research on your own first. See how many "hungry" people there are in America and then see how many are "hungry" due to their own choices in life.
Our government gives:
1) Food Stamps
2) Free breakfast in the schools
3) Free lunch in the schools
4) WIC
5) Welfare checks
6) Medicaid
7) Free housing
In addition there are the private charities and food banks which provide food, clothing, shelter, help with utilities, etc.
Personally, I don't see why the government is helping people who absolutely refuse to help themselves and I'd rather see it ALL done by independent charities than by tax dollars, but I know it will never happen.
And because you obviously don't know how to use Google , I'll help you out on the space program. Note the server it's on - even Serge, Vick and Colin would approve
I don't see meteorological prediction on there but many lives are saved from being able to more accuractely evacuate coastlines due to better knowledge of hurricane locations due to satellites. Only 26 lives lost in Andrew, for example.
The same is true for other types of weather systems.
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I agree with Meni.
Lets scrape the space programs, grants to researchers in fight against all diseases, science and techologies, helping other countries build and rebuild, grants to students, schools, and etc..
(I'm sure, I left out millions of others things our goverment spends money on.)
These are a complete waste of money.
I prefer to build our walls up so no one can get in or out of the U.S. and take care of our own.
Bring back communism and fuck the world.
Right Meni?
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(CNN) -- Fifty-seven years after combat pilot Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier, NASA will make a second attempt Saturday at flying an aircraft at 5,000 mph -- about seven times Mach 1, the speed of sound.
The space agency's dogged pursuit of extreme speed, officials hope, will ultimately make space flight easier to accomplish.
NASA will roll out the X-43A, capable of reaching speeds more than Mach 7, in a test flight over the Pacific Ocean. The Hyper-X, as it is called, could also give rise to commercial planes that zip passengers between London and New York in less than two hours.
"It's relatively simple in its concept," said Griff Corpening, chief engineer for the X-43A program. "It's incredibly challenging in its execution.... [That is] where 40 plus years of research comes in."
The $250-million Hyper-X program has already attracted the interest of the Air Force and private aerospace companies such as Boeing. But dreams of civilian spin-offs are at least 20 years away, said NASA officials, who are betting the program will first lead to a more durable, cheaper workhorse for the space fleet.
And the future of the program could be hindered by budget cuts as NASA attempts to establish a moon base and launch a manned Mars expedition under an initative by the Bush Administration.
The diminutive, 12-foot-long X-43A test craft will ride atop a Pegasus booster rocket launched from a converted B-52 bomber off southern California. The flight will test aspects of a design to allow planes to overcome the pull of Earth's gravity by reaching 18,500 mph, also known as escape velocity.
During the test, the 49-foot-long booster rocket will propel the X-43A to about 3,700 mph before the experimental plane detaches from the rocket and flies under its own power using a hydrogen-powered "scramjet" engine, the first such test of the technology.
The actual powered-flight is expected to last about 10 seconds and reach Mach 7 before gliding for six minutes and plunging into the Pacific Ocean.
The test will gather crucial information for engineers and scientists trying to make the X-43A NASA's platform for reusable spacecraft and hypersonic planes, or those traveling above Mach 5.
It will be the first time aircraft have detached in mid-flight for hypersonic flight.
"We've never separated two vehicles going Mach 5," said Leslie Williams, spokeswoman for NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center which is overseeing the test. "That's just never happened. It's a very risky thing."
First attempt ends in explosion
The last attempt in 2001 was aborted after stabilizing fins flew off the plane's booster rocket. Controllers ordered the craft destroyed. Researchers blamed a flight control system failure and unanticipated stresses on the rocket.
Since then, a redesign and test changes have reduced the risks, researchers said, but some aspects of the X-43A's propulsion and aerodynamic design remain unproven. Simulating such high speeds on the ground remains difficult.
In many respects, this will be the first trial for crucial technology employing air-breathing "scramjet" engines instead of bulky and expensive chemical rockets to leave the atmosphere. The new engines promise to dramatically lower the risks and expense of flight by freeing spacecrafts from massive and potentially explosive fuel tanks.
"It's hard to say what the future is going to lead to," said Williams. "The [scramjet engines] have been in the wind tunnel for 20 years, but a lot of people will be interested to see if it works in free flight."
Scramjets operate at "hypersonic" speeds by burning hydrogen mixed with compressed air scooped from the atmosphere. There are no moving parts. Instead, sophisticated geometry in the engine allows hydrogen to combust with air moving through the engine at supersonic velocities.
At that speed, a molecule of air stays in the engine for just a millisecond. That creates an enormous amount of thrust -- the exact amount of which is classified -- for an engine which can be reused throughout the life of an aircraft.
In theory, such engines will push crafts beyond Mach 10 and, with the help of chemical rockets, escape Earth's gravitational pull and achieve orbit. That kind of craft would probably employ multiple propulsion systems including a turbo-jet to reach supersonic speeds, scramjets to take the vessel to the edge of the atmosphere and then chemical rockets to enter the void of space.
Searching for a shuttle replacement
But a string of canceled programs and engineering failures have hindered progress. A thrifty and reliable replacement for the agency's problematic space shuttles is still years, if not a decade, away.
Congressional belt-tightening and the cost of shuttle launches (now more than $10,000 per pound; that's about $500 million per flight), have intensified efforts to find a replacement.
It was hoped one could be developed during the last decade, but plans to retire the aging shuttle fleet, now on a deadline of 2010 by President Bush, have floundered.
Engineering obstacles, budget troubles and two space shuttle disasters with Challenger and Columbia swept away a number of promising ideas.
NASA officials maintain that the Hyper-X program will continue regardless of budget cuts.
Keith Henry, spokesman for NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia, said any reduction in funding would only delay the program, not derail it.
"NASA's primary interest is cheaper, more flexible and safer access to space," he said. "It just means the application is a little further."
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Originally posted by AM Jeff@Mar 25 2004, 10:58 AM I agree with Meni.
Lets scrape the space programs, grants to researchers in fight against all diseases, science and techologies, helping other countries build and rebuild, grants to students, schools, and etc..
(I'm sure, I left out millions of others things our goverment spends money on.)
These are a complete waste of money.
I prefer to build our walls up so no one can get in or out of the U.S. and take care of our own.
Bring back communism and fuck the world.
Right Meni?
I say
fuck outerspace
when we have hungry children here
bad schools
huge deficit
and a president who's too religirous
and wants to fine anyone who says shit on the air $275K
that bill will pass the Senate next week
and GW will pass it
Stern will quit, because he doesn't need to find out the FCC is fining him $30 million for shows he did 3 years ago
You don't know you are being fined till months later
thats fair?
and GW doesn't like STEM CELL RESEARCH
why? kiss the religious right's ass
fuck that
FCC, kiss the right's ass again
oprano, kissing the right's ass
Originally posted by Colin@Mar 25 2004, 10:49 AM Why be so trite as to frame every issue in terms of George Bush's belief system? Stem cell research vs. space research? No. Both.
He listen to the RR
You don't see that
and seperate church and state
why not allow stem cell?
RELIGION
don't play GOD
leave GOD OUT OF IT
Originally posted by Meni@Mar 25 2004, 12:53 PM I say
fuck outerspace
when we have hungry children here
Reality therapy time
Meni, if you're so worried about hungry why don't you go feed some? Why don't you spend some time working at a soup kitchen helping the hungry get meals
Or is working your fingers on a keyboard the extent of your conviction?
Take whatever you would spend on X this weekend and use that money instead to feed the poor and homeless you seem to care so much about
Me, I say fuck the poor. They aren't my concern. Begging hands and bleeding hearts can only cry out for more
god money's not looking for the cure
god money's not concerned about the sick among the pure
god money let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised
god money's not one to choose
no, you can't take it
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