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i thought so too. almost no dialogue, no real story development, you don't get a chance to know or care about the characters etc. plus there was no titties, cocaine and hookers or nice cars.
Colin
Mel made it for his daddy
the anti-semite who doesn't think the holocaust realy happened
wanna hear the interview Mel's daddy did with a NY dj?
take a litre of oil and 20 minutes to creamate 1 person
no way 6 million died
they are all over the world , they didn't die
Originally posted by Meni@Mar 20 2004, 06:30 PM Colin
Mel made it for his daddy
the anti-semite who doesn't think the holocaust realy happened
wanna hear the interview Mel's daddy did with a NY dj?
take a litre of oil and 20 minutes to creamate 1 person
no way 6 million died
they are all over the world , they didn't die
what does his fathers opinions on the Holocaust have to do with making a movie about the last 12 hrs of the life if Jesus Christ?
Originally posted by Meni@Mar 20 2004, 06:57 PM
um are you that slow JR?
talk to a Jew about the film
the jews are up in arms about this film
they didn't beat the hell out of Christ
like Mel displayed
so his daddy could jerk off
the fact that "i am slow" is a given considering everything you have to say assumes that those you are addressing "just don't get it"
Originally posted by Meni@Mar 20 2004, 10:57 PM talk to a Jew about the film
the jews are up in arms about this film
they didn't beat the hell out of Christ
like Mel displayed
so his daddy could jerk off
Actually, every Jewish person I know who has seen it (20+) did not in any way, shape or form think it was against Jews. You've been hanging around Stern and Babs too much, Meni.
If you've seen the interviews with Mel about this movie it's quite obvious he did it because he felt the need to do it for himself, NOT for his father.
BTW, are you aware the actress who plays Mary is Jewish? There - now YOU know of one Jew who wasn't offended.
i think the real purpose of this film was to say to morons everywhere;
"watch me make you turn $25,000,000.00 into $100,000,000.00 in a few weeks because you are dumb enough to talk shit, theorize, dream up conspiracies and read too much meaning into some guy who got beat up and nailed to a piece of wood.. so thanks for all the free promotion assholes!"
by the way.. did you know he is now planning a movie about Hanukah? I am sure that has nothing to do with repeating the same formula though... its really all about appeasing his daddy because Meni said so.
How does anyone here really know if there even was a Jesus much less how he died????
The story is over 2000 years old and told by men to men to men and passed along and written down and changed so many times
It's a fairy tale, all superstition
Right ... somebody got nailed to a cross and came back to life 3 days later ....
...does anyone really believe that??!!
Son of God born of a Virgin birth... your kidding me ... right??
However if it makes your life a better thing by having faith and you don't try to foster your feelings, beliefs and convictions (if you have them) on anyone .... then good for you
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Originally posted by JR@Mar 20 2004, 09:16 PM i thought so too. almost no dialogue, no real story development, you don't get a chance to know or care about the characters etc. plus there was no titties, cocaine and hookers or nice cars.
Exactly. I didn't FEEL anything watching this movie.
Most amusing thing. Before the movie started I overheard a sixteen-ish year old girl sitting in back of me telling her friend "I'm going to watch this movie about Jesus dying for my sins and then tonight I'm going to have pre-marital sex with my boyfriend. I hope I don't feel guilty".
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I just saw it 3 hours ago too... with my 13yo daughter. It was ok.. but I would have prefered it to have covered a longer time frame.... and even with all the hype, I somehow missed that it was in Hebrew/Latin with subtitles
For what its worth, it didn't leave me feeling any differnet about the Jewish people.
Originally posted by JR@Mar 20 2004, 10:40 PM "watch me make you turn $25,000,000.00 into $100,000,000.00 in a few weeks because you are dumb enough to talk shit, theorize, dream up conspiracies and read too much meaning into some guy who got beat up and nailed to a piece of wood.. so thanks for all the free promotion assholes!"
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Originally posted by Jim@Mar 22 2004, 10:13 AM Meni....wasn't the romans that did the beating in the movie?
you gotta pay more attention....
ha.. thats funny Jim... I almost posted the same thing at first... then I realised the Soldiers at the beggining beat him up pretty good.. and the holy men slapped him and spat on him.... but you kind of forget that after sitting through the gruesome "chastising" the Romans gave him later.
Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 21 2004, 03:22 AM I really, *really* hate stereotypes but I have to admit, Meni is fitting more and more into the "brawn/brains" one every day.
Pretty soon you'll be seeing black helicopters with republican elephants and swastikas (sp?) painted on them hovering over your house.
Well
do you fuckers need me to upload the radio interview with his DAD?
huh?
Originally posted by JR@Mar 21 2004, 09:54 PM as Sterns end approaches, Meni gets more bizarre.
I'm bizarre because I think his dad is a freak
and I'm bizarre to think Mel made this film for his daddy?
win his dad's love?
far fetched
ok eat the fact he hates JEWS is that OK?
I personally don't know anything at all about how Mel Gibson feels about the Jews.
I have read that his father is one of those wackos who believes the holocaust was faked. It has as much affect on me as the fact that White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan's father has written a book that "proves" that LBJ killed JFK.
I have never been a big believer in the whole "sins of the father" theory, even when the father is a certafiable wacko.
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I guess you missed it in the other thread you started where Colin stated exactly how much $$ Bush has spent on education and how much he's raised the employment rate.
Missed might = conveniently ignored
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 21 2004, 08:36 PM I personally don't know anything at all about how Mel Gibson feels about the Jews.
I have read that his father is one of those wackos who believes the holocaust was faked. It has as much affect on me as the fact that White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan's father has written a book that "proves" that LBJ killed JFK.
I have never been a big believer in the whole "sins of the father" theory, even when the father is a certafiable wacko.
1) A father's beliefs and his child's. We've all seen that in extermist points of view the child can sometimes become just like the father. And we've all seen that the child can grow up to be the anithesist of the father.
Matter of fact I know very well of a family of a good friend, known them all for two decades easy. Father became one of the top police officers in the force, highly decorated. Two children, the daughter was validictorian with straight A's, the son was a C stdent and put in jail for 20 counts of grand theft auto. So there you go, just in one family two different responses.
2) I have never gotten the whole passion play thing nor stations of the cross. Think about it, it's rather a grisley thing, overly long and something that is not only reenacted in the Catholic church every single year, but one is constantly reminded of it by the crucifix.
3) Movies of the past 25 years have gotten to show "real" violence. One on level, yuck. But normally I approve. Why? Compare Gladiator to Spartacus, compare a modern Western to a John Wayne movie, compare Saving Private Ryan to the movie D-Day. Let's pick the last one. They hit the beach say 50 of them. One of them gets killed, you can tell by the little darkened spot on his chest. Another steps on a landmind, and we see the dummy (I mean the actual dummy) fly in the air in tact. By the time Wayne gets to shore, he's has two men killed and two guys injured slightly. Private Ryan, you get eight bullets in your chest and it gashes with blood, step on a mind and the body goes five bloody pieces. And when 50 got off the transport, maybe five made it alive 50 yards away. Not pretty, but more realistic and since war is hell, war is horrible, it's violent, I'd rather it portrayed that way than the anticeptic ways of earlier years. One should be horrified.
So look at Ryan and Gladiator and Braveheart (with the hacked torsos streaming blood, etc, and obviously the same director). The style of this Passion movie is only a continuation of the style movies have been made in the last quarter century. Now that said, since I don't get the whole passion play experience to begin with, yeah, the Gibson movie is over the top violent. If you get a kick at seeing any person brutally tortured to the utmost degree and presented as realisticly and as gorely as possible, hey, this movie is a must for you. But I didn't get the point when it was anticeptic, and I get the purpose here (of why anyone would want to see this) even less.
4) We all know that the Jewish temple leaders hated anyone who took the limelight off of them, and Jesus was becoming popular. Politics. Ok, let's take the crowd who said free Barabus. Like there weren't tons of Roman soldiers in the crowd (in a real situation) with daggers and swords who make sure the crowd votes the way they want. So did "Jews kill Jesus"? No. Although a few temple heads helped.
Ok, the Roman governor, pretty much a Roman governor thoustands of miles away could care less if he had a man in front of him who killed 60 other men of that same "barberic people", wherever that Roman would be, Spain, Israel, Turkey, doesn't matter. To him all peoples are below the Romans; he would think yeah kill more of them (from his stand point.) But what's the one thing a Roman steeped in his culture of control, uniformity, a strict hierarchy would consider the worse thing in his provence? A rebel, a demigod (no pun intended), someone people in his district could rally around, now THAT is a Roman menance far greater than any thief or murderer. So did the Romans kill Jesus? Yes. Why? Politics.
Was it because any of them belived him the Messiah? No, some Jewish leaders saw him as a threat to their power. Romans saw him a potential threat to the political stability. Period. Did they all react to other popular sect leaders before and after? Yes. You just never hear about them. Politics, pure and simple. No different from a thousand years before or today.
But then let's think about this too. A week before Jesus goes into the city knowing fully well his fate. He could have turned around. Nope. He (according to the New Testament) knew what was going to happen, who was going to betray him majorly (Judas) and minorly (Peter) and all of the other details. No bull, the only way it all adds up then with him knowing what he was walking into, bascially it adds up to suicide. No way around it. Who killed Jesus? He did himself.
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"watch me make you turn $25,000,000.00 into $100,000,000.00 in a few weeks because you are dumb enough to talk shit, theorize, dream up conspiracies and read too much meaning into some guy who got beat up and nailed to a piece of wood.. so thanks for all the free promotion assholes!"
Yep. Bloody brilliant and played the masses like a master violinist.
(Btw, pardon the many typos, but I wrote this in the wee hours)
Gee Meni - my mother is a dyed in the wool Southern Baptist who gives most of her money to the church. She writes letters announcing her boycotting of TV show advertisers, she doesn't watch R rated movies, she thinks slavery is OK, gay people should die, and you shouldn't ever chew gum. She is so anti-abortion that she carries a little plastic fetus in her pocketbook. We won't even get into what she thinks about pornography......
Since she is my mother, per your logic, I am exactly like her.
Hutton Gibson is a notorious Holocaust denier and who claims the the World Trade Center was destroyed by remote control and not by al Queda; that the Second Vatican Council was a Masonic plot backed by the Jews and that all popes going back to John XXIII have been illegitimate "anti-popes".
Originally posted by Peaches@Mar 22 2004, 09:25 AM Gee Meni - my mother is a dyed in the wool Southern Baptist who gives most of her money to the church. She writes letters announcing her boycotting of TV show advertisers, she doesn't watch R rated movies, she thinks slavery is OK, gay people should die, and you shouldn't ever chew gum. She is so anti-abortion that she carries a little plastic fetus in her pocketbook. We won't even get into what she thinks about pornography......
Since she is my mother, per your logic, I am exactly like her.
Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 22 2004, 01:07 AM spend money on jobs and education...
I guess you missed it in the other thread you started where Colin stated exactly how much $$ Bush has spent on education and how much he's raised the employment rate.
Missed might = conveniently ignored
how much does the war cost?
that money could go somewhere else
hey colin whats the deficit?
I didn't ignore anything
the employment rate?
only those getting checks are counted
its not accurate
3 million jobs lost
MSNBC
Originally posted by Meni@Mar 22 2004, 11:54 PM how much does the war cost?
that money could go somewhere else
hey colin whats the deficit?
I didn't ignore anything
the employment rate?
only those getting checks are counted
its not accurate
3 million jobs lost
MSNBC
3 million more unemployed. 5 million more employed. To quote one without the other is nothing but politics. I hope you've been watching MSNBC long enough to know politicians only quote the numbers which tell their side of the story and the journalists report the more sensationalistic numbers and the numbers which inspire the most fear in people. Scared people watch the news.
Hell, most Republicans still think that the Clinton economy was a "false economy". That's one of the more amusing attacks I've ever heard. Of course, the Clinton era economy was a great one.
We've had it really good lately. People have forgotten the 1970's and early 80's.
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Nothing happens in a vacuum. If you want to compare economies we have to do that. Compare real economies. How does the Clinton economy stack up historically? Damned good.
Solid GDP growth, historically low unemployment, low inflation and reduced deficits.
If that was a "false boom", where's the bust? If this is it, it was sure as hell worth it. The last recession was years ago. Or maybe you are still predicting The Great Depression II starting .. when .. next month? How about a timeline?
I'm not assigning credit. How much credit does Clinton deserve for the roaring 1990's economy? No one knows. I have no idea. You can't disentangle that. You mentioned NAFTA but left out all of Clinton's trade agreements. He worked all over the globe arranging regional trade agreements. Hundreds of them.
Under Clinton, government spending compared to GDP fell to a 35 year low.
Even the number of people on welfare dropped. I would think you would be a big fan.
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Originally posted by Colin@Mar 23 2004, 06:29 AM Buff,
Nothing happens in a vacuum. If you want to compare economies we have to do that. Compare real economies. How does the Clinton economy stack up historically? Damned good.
Solid GDP growth, historically low unemployment, low inflation and reduced deficits.
If that was a "false boom", where's the bust? If this is it, it was sure as hell worth it. The last recession was years ago. Or maybe you are still predicting The Great Depression II starting .. when .. next month? How about a timeline?
I'm not assigning credit. How much credit does Clinton deserve for the roaring 1990's economy? No one knows. I have no idea. You can't disentangle that. You mentioned NAFTA but left out all of Clinton's trade agreements. He worked all over the globe arranging regional trade agreements. Hundreds of them.
Under Clinton, government spending compared to GDP fell to a 35 year low.
Even the number of people on welfare dropped. I would think you would be a big fan.
Hiring millions of new government employees to reduce the welfare ranks is not the mark of an ever-increasingly prosperous economy.
Take a look at the value of the dollar, Colin -- vs other currencies and commodities. Take a look at real purchasing power -- what one dollar buys today vs 10 or 20 years ago.
And if you want to know what an impending disaster looks like, check out the debt statistics for households and factor that in with the national debt.
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