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I just watched passions of christ for my first time last night..... Alls i can say is WOW! Didnt know that things went that way back then.....i couldnt imagine the pain and torture! :grrr:
I have heard both possitive and negative on the movie.
From what I understand its pretty intense, and very violent. There is no doubt back in the day violence was a fact of life.
I will definately see the movie, just need to be in the right frame of mind.
One thing I find funny is that a lot of people have slammed the movie yet its still making tons of money. Many people underestimate the amount of Christians in the United States. Not all of them are the wacko fundamentalist liberals always try to pin things on.
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 1 2004, 12:38 PM Would they let some beaten up mailnurishes prisoner carry an expensive cross and risk it been broken or stolen????
Serge, what fucktard would try to steal a cross from the Roman Legioniares while they were in the middle of a crucifixtion? LOL
Thats why i wished i understood the bible more, that way i knew what really went on AND WHERE that way i knew everything of what happened...i know some but id say half or less
I heard that a few people died from having a heartattack watching this movie, thats how dramatical it was for them
A couple of my buddies while they were in the theatre said half were crying during and after the movie....Wouldnt even get out of there chairs after the movie, just sat there and thought about it...
Originally posted by WiLcOnE@Mar 1 2004, 03:42 PM Thats why i wished i understood the bible more, that way i knew what really went on AND WHERE that way i knew everything of what happened...i know some but id say half or less
I heard that a few people died from having a heartattack watching this movie, thats how dramatical it was for them
I'll die from heart attack if
1) I find evidence that God really exist
2) if I find evidence that Christ ever existed
3) if I start beleiving that Bible is a historical document....
Originally posted by WiLcOnE@Mar 1 2004, 03:46 PM A couple of my buddies while they were in the theatre said half were crying during and after the movie....Wouldnt even get out of there chairs after the movie, just sat there and thought about it...
if I were you, I'd be chosing swinging buddies more carefully!
;-))))
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 1 2004, 03:46 PM I'll die from heart attack if
1) I find evidence that God really exist
2) if I find evidence that Christ ever existed
3) if I start beleiving that Bible is a historical document....
Originally posted by WiLcOnE@Mar 1 2004, 12:42 PM Thats why i wished i understood the bible more, that way i knew what really went on AND WHERE that way i knew everything of what happened...i know some but id say half or less
I can sum it up for you;
Some guy shows up. little is known about his family, childhood, brothers and sisters. He claims he is something. others cliam he is not. Some claim he did some magic stuff that apparently was somehow different than the other "healers" and "prophets" of the time. Finally he decided to challenge "The Man". "The Man" beat him and nailed him to a piece of wood. His bodied was not recovered and no one knows why... which in some peoples mind, leaves the only possible and rational conclusion that he must have came back to life and walked away.
most agree he promised to come back.
most agree he didn't.
though he preached love, countless millions of people were slaughtered in his name over the centuries because "spreading the love" was always a great excuse to conquer, rob, rape and pillage.
some are still waiting him to come back.
fewer and fewer care as both time and science progress.
funny how some would look at the Taliban and scoff at their beliefs as being primitive and stupid... as if believing in the son of an all powerful ghost who one day got bored and created the universe makes a lot of sense.
Originally posted by JR@Mar 1 2004, 03:57 PM His bodied was not recovered and no one knows why which in some peoples mind leaves the only possible and rational conclusion that he must have came back to life and walked away.
this is an easiest part, I found the explanation why his body was never found.
As I mentioned earlier,
WOOD and crosses were EXPENSIVE,
there was a LONG waiting list for crucifictions!
Knowing Roman efficiency,
as soon as one body is done,
it was burnt and replaced with another body waiting in line.
Britts had no problems with wood/axes, so they chopped the heads off and put them on all historical London bridges.
Originally posted by JR@Mar 1 2004, 04:00 PM funny how some would look at the Taliban and scoff at their beliefs as being primitive and stupid... as if believing in the son of an all powerful ghost who one day got bored and created the universe makes a lot of sense.
JR, when I get to Hell,
should I request a double room for you to share eventually?
We can have a good times for all eternity!
;-))))
Yeah I don't know why so many people are in a hurry to see this movie ....
I mean you know how it's going to end already ......
...... why not just stay home and wait for it to come out on DVD?
and for the record I think this movie has the potential to be VERY BAD for America
While I'm an atheist I don't have much problem with anyone's choice of worship as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else, does no harm and isn't pushed on anyone
This movie may start a huge Christan movement in America - which could be ok until Christians start trying to dictate laws which effect me and trying to force their religion on me (which is a part of some Christianity)
on the other hand Christianity and a firm belief in God are great for some, particular those who keep it to themselves and their places of worship
Example - am old high school chum of mine(with whom I was very close in High School) looked me up in the past few year. He has been over 2 years without a drink of Alcohol (he was a raging Alcoholic which landing him in a few bad situations). His faith in a higher power coupled with his bible studies and semi-regular church going (he didn't do AA) have helped him through not drinking and particularly through trying times such as the passing of his Father this January
We occasionally talk religion (but only if I bring it up) as I find comparative religions interesting but he respects my position that religion is superstition as I respect what his beliefs are and I acknowledge what his beliefs have help him accomplish
and he has no problem with my drinking while we watch football or go out to dinner
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Serge, your "faith" there is no God is also a faith-based belief system, unless you are an all knowing and all seeing God yourself, with a perfect knowledge of all that is and isn't in this universe.
Originally posted by WiLcOnE@Mar 1 2004, 04:12 PM Yah vick i was just curious to see how they showed everything thats all, im not for any religion myself.....i just believe in god thats all...
Woody Allen's varaity beleiver?
"I believe that there's an intelligence to the universe with the exception of parts of New Jersey."
Originally posted by brandyalexander@Mar 1 2004, 04:13 PM Serge, your "faith" there is no God is also a faith-based belief system, unless you are an all knowing and all seeing God yourself, with a perfect knowledge of all that is and isn't in this universe.
now repeat the same thing in English I understand....moron!
Logically, Athieism requires faith. You have faith you're right there is no God. But, unless you know everything, see everything, you can't be 100% sure. Faith bridges the gap between what you absolutely know (1%?) and everything else (99%). You share the same "faith" Mel Gibson has, you're just on the other side of the fence.
Originally posted by brandyalexander@Mar 1 2004, 04:39 PM Logically, Athieism requires faith. You have faith you're right there is no God. But, unless you know everything, see everything, you can't be 100% sure. Faith bridges the gap between what you absolutely know (1%?) and everything else (99%). You share the same "faith" Mel Gibson has, you're just on the other side of the fence.
Originally posted by brandyalexander@Mar 1 2004, 04:39 PM Logically, Athieism requires faith. You have faith you're right there is no God. But, unless you know everything, see everything, you can't be 100% sure. Faith bridges the gap between what you absolutely know (1%?) and everything else (99%). You share the same "faith" Mel Gibson has, you're just on the other side of the fence.
R_n, is that you? Have you lost your mind???
PROVE me you aren't him,
show me your tits!
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Joe,
So, when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, if you go for all these fairy tales, that evil woman convinced the man to eat the apple, but the apple came from the Tree of Knowledge. And the punishment that was then handed down, the woman gets to bleed and the guy's got to go to work, is the result of a man desiring, because his woman suggested that it would be a good idea, that he get all the knowledge that was supposedly the property and domain of God. So, that right away sets up Christianity as an anti- intellectual religion. You never want to be that smart. If you're a woman, it's going to be running down your leg, and if you're a guy, you're going to be in the salt mines for the rest of your life. So, just be a dumb fuck and you'll all go to heaven. That's the subtext of Christianity. [Frank Zappa]
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 1 2004, 02:18 PM Joe,
So, when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, if you go for all these fairy tales, that evil woman convinced the man to eat the apple, but the apple came from the Tree of Knowledge. And the punishment that was then handed down, the woman gets to bleed and the guy's got to go to work, is the result of a man desiring, because his woman suggested that it would be a good idea, that he get all the knowledge that was supposedly the property and domain of God. So, that right away sets up Christianity as an anti- intellectual religion. You never want to be that smart. If you're a woman, it's going to be running down your leg, and if you're a guy, you're going to be in the salt mines for the rest of your life. So, just be a dumb fuck and you'll all go to heaven. That's the subtext of Christianity. [Frank Zappa]
Of course Christianity is anti-intellectual.
Christians don't question their beliefs. It is based upon blind faith.
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