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Originally posted by Colin@Feb 25 2004, 03:25 PM For some reason much of mankind's circle of empathy seems to get larger and larger even to the point of extending it to animals. Maybe some day we won't kill insects either. Maybe one day we'll have "People for the Ethical Treatment of Viruses".
But why?
I don't have a clue if there ever will be a "People for the Ethical Treatment of Viruses", or why people would go there - but nothing would suprise me.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Feb 25 2004, 03:46 PM PD they choose their civil rights by choosing to want to marry the same sex. If there is no societal norms, then there will be chaos. Where do we stop extending these "civil rights"? Should Mormons be able to have 10 wives? What about if someone wanted to marry a 12 year old? Farm animals?
And this is just dealing with marriage. What about everyone else's "rights".
It is funny how libs are. The 2nd Amendment clearly states the right to bear arms ( and there is tons of supporting material from our founders that explains this) yet they want to outlaw people possessing firearms. Yet liberal judges find all kinds of rights in the Constitution for abortion and now gay marriage.... Interesting how that works.
It's funny how reactionaries are. When in doubt, bring up guns.
Mikey, guns, farm animals and 12 year olds aren't a part of this discussion.
The question about Mormons is an interesting and relevant one - not sure how I feel about that. Gotta give credit where credit is due - you actually put a real point in there.
I'm still waiting for some fucking reason (beyond bigotry and superstition) that extending marital priveldges to same-sex couples will somehow lead to the chaos of "no societal norms."
The same arguement was applied to giving women the vote and own property. The same arguement was applied to extending full rights of citizenship to people of
color.
Whether you like it or not, societal norms change. I say again - deal with it.
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Feb 25 2004, 07:28 AM Until fairly recently, folks who practiced Wiccan were burned at the stake.
You might learn what a history book is...the fucktards that today call themselves "wiccans" weren't around back then. "Wicca" is a 20th century creation...there's nothing ancient about it - cept the bastardization, borrowing and reinterpretation of theologies that existed long before it. Gerald Gardner was a total nutjob.
Very few people who even actually practiced anything remotely occultish were actually burned...burning wiccans is a beautiful idea tho.
I'm gonna go service mark "burning times charcoal" and just hope...
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Originally posted by Colin@Feb 25 2004, 04:25 PM Maybe some day we won't kill insects either.
I have a friend who opened a Montessori school. When she went to train as a teacher, she swatted at a fly. Her instructors were none too pleased and explained that even insects were God's creatures.
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Feb 25 2004, 04:10 PM It's funny how reactionaries are. When in doubt, bring up guns.
It's funny how reactionaries-to-reactionaries are. When you don't have an answer, say it's not part of the discussion.
Personally, I think that people who would limit the rights of gays to marry are as morally objectionable as those who think the "poor" are entitled to the wealth of other individuals simply because they squeezed their way out of the womb....
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Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Feb 25 2004, 08:11 PM However, I'm hard pressed to understand how anyone can legitimately connect either of those issues to the issue of gay marriage.
The issue has the same root...some fucking asshole wants to tell someone else what to do with their life (substitute life for : money, body, or other personal property as needed) when it's none of their fucking business...
Consistency....learn it, love it, live it..
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Hmmm... seems that we need to have an amendment limiting the judiciary power.
But, at one point, I believe the Supreme Court ruled that they were the Supreme authority on all matters constitutional and they would probably tell everyone that it was unconstitutional to limit their power/authority...
But we neither need, or should desire a constitutional amendment against same sex marriage... It should be left where it is, at the state level. Who knows, at some point maybe there will be a "gay state" kind of like Utah is the mormon state.
Okay, here's my (insert rude polical leaning term here) take on this issue:
The US government should pass a law that changes the word "Marriage" to the words "civil union between two persons" in every law on the books.
"Marriages" could then still be a religeous act, a sort of superset of a civil union (IE: you can be both married and civil unioned, or just civil unioned... marriage by itself would be an empty legal term). As a result and by default, all "spousal" policies would end up applying to anyone who is "civil unioned".
It seperates the issue of equal treatment of all people from the religeous issue of the preservation of the instituion of marriage.
just my humble opinion.
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 25 2004, 09:10 PM Okay, here's my (insert rude polical leaning term here) take on this issue:
The US government should pass a law that changes the word "Marriage" to the words "civil union between two persons" in every law on the books.
"Marriages" could then still be a religeous act, a sort of superset of a civil union (IE: you can be both married and civil unioned, or just civil unioned... marriage by itself would be an empty legal term). As a result and by default, all "spousal" policies would end up applying to anyone who is "civil unioned".
It seperates the issue of equal treatment of all people from the religeous issue of the preservation of the instituion of marriage.
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September 10, 1996. The Senate passed the "Defense of Marriage Act" which denied federal recognition of same-sex marriages. It passed 85-14 and was signed by President Clinton.
It's amazing how consistent administrations are. Again, it's my contention that the two primary parties in the US are more similar than dissimilar. It's no wonder I never end up voting.
Republicans and Democrats are no friends of libertarians. That's for sure.
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 26 2004, 01:10 AM Okay, here's my (insert rude polical leaning term here) take on this issue:
The US government should pass a law that changes the word "Marriage" to the words "civil union between two persons" in every law on the books.
"Marriages" could then still be a religeous act, a sort of superset of a civil union (IE: you can be both married and civil unioned, or just civil unioned... marriage by itself would be an empty legal term). As a result and by default, all "spousal" policies would end up applying to anyone who is "civil unioned".
It seperates the issue of equal treatment of all people from the religeous issue of the preservation of the instituion of marriage.
Originally posted by Colin@Feb 26 2004, 08:50 AM It's amazing how consistent administrations are. Again, it's my contention that the two primary parties in the US are more similar than dissimilar. It's no wonder I never end up voting.
Republicans and Democrats are no friends of libertarians. That's for sure.
Exactly....there is NO difference...they are simply both sides of the same coin...
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