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Don't even get me started - it's not that I'm pregnant now, I've always been an advocate of homebirth and until recently was heavily involved in that community.
I doubt that *any* of these pictures and the videos inside are licensed and I'll be hitting up my homebirth lists to take a look at it, and getting Laura Shanley to look too (she's seen about every homebirth and waterbirth video in existence and personally knows most of the couples in them).
And of course IBILL is processing for it - why does that not surprise me?
Why did Visa approve this domain?
This site is just fucking WRONG.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 14 2003, 12:50 AM (she's seen about every homebirth and waterbirth video in existence and personally knows most of the couples in them).
Slav - Laura is the author of "Unassisted Childbirth" and is largely considered to be the mother of the renewed homebirth movement.
Check out her site if you're interested - http://www.freebirth.com
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The problem that I have with this site is that it's being presented as an adult sex site. Xbiz, AdultBizPower, Altmasters and the Adult Webmaster's Association are all linked to from the front page. There's a link for webmasters to make money promoting the site.
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 14 2003, 03:45 AM I don't get it...what so weird about it?
I agree with Serge...what's the big deal? I think child birth is beautiful and from what I see it isn't exploitive. I think its great people can see this even if they do have to pay. Then again I’m not sure who would pay to see this type of think.
Serge the sculpture in your avatar is really wonderful. Where is that piece at and who is the artist?
Dianna
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Originally posted by Dianna Vesta@Nov 14 2003, 08:35 AM
Serge the sculpture in your avatar is really wonderful. Where is that piece at and who is the artist?
Dianna childbirth *is* beautiful and can even be erotic for the couple involved in it, but it's just *wrong* for it to be presented as something pornographic.
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 14 2003, 12:45 AM I don't get it...what so weird about it?
For once I gotta agree with Serge. What is weird about it? If the content is stolen, then it is wrong. If the content is owned then why would it be either weird of wrong?
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Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 14 2003, 05:44 AM Dianna childbirth *is* beautiful and can even be erotic for the couple involved in it, but it's just *wrong* for it to be presented as something pornographic.
Anal, oral, group sex is all wrong in someone's mind Carrie.
In the scope of things you could spend your attention worrying about, this one seems the biggest waste of time.
First off, if it's a surfer site, why do they have a list of webmaster resources at the bottom? And secondly, that's probably THE WORST design I've seen in all my life. Third, that's really SICK! Do people actually get off on that? And I agree with Carrie, I bet you ANYTHING they have no releases, no documentation or licensing to use those pictures.
What am I missing? Is this a site where you see women giving birth and that's it? What's wrong with that?
If there are no babies or mothers being hurt, then who cares! Some idiots get turned on looking at feet with painted toenails. If someone gets off watching a woman give birth, what's the crime? What's the problem?
Carrie, please don't tell us we are going to have to put up with you and your hormones for the duration of your pregnancy! J-E-S-U-S, please save us from Carrie and her rants about babies & SexEducation. I'm sure it will be more boring than my bitching about hackers.
Oprano, how about we put together a *Baby Fund* so Carrie can buy some sex toys and weekly massages.
Originally posted by confucy@Nov 14 2003, 02:58 PM What am I missing? Is this a site where you see women giving birth and that's it? What's wrong with that?
If there are no babies or mothers being hurt, then who cares! Some idiots get turned on looking at feet with painted toenails. If someone gets off watching a woman give birth, what's the crime? What's the problem?
Carrie, please don't tell us we are going to have to put up with you and your hormones for the duration of your pregnancy! J-E-S-U-S, please save us from Carrie and her rants about babies & SexEducation. I'm sure it will be more boring than my bitching about hackers.
Oprano, how about we put together a *Baby Fund* so Carrie can buy some sex toys and weekly massages.
Somebody better turn the moon blue...start freezing hell over...
I agree with Confucy!
Ill broker a deal. If youll keep drinking that big old glass of shut hte fuck up and we dont have to hear one of your rants about Kev and all that which relates to it...mebbe I can get Carrie to agree to control them hormones.
What do you say?
Besides I got a Deathmatch to promote!
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Carrie is napping at the moment, and I can't "really" speak for her, but I think I know where she is coming from.
To put it simply, displaying child birth as something "pornographic" is wrong. Even if you can see all the "important" parts, promoting it as "pornographic" takes it out of context. Listing "adult" webmaster sites with it puts it in a "tainted" light, so to speak. There isn't anything wrong with home birth videos, it is just being used in an off color way.
In most cases, if the video is viewed by anyone other than the couple/mom, it is the close fiends and family, and it is being shared as a very special moment in their lives. Some people may be a little bit further on the "free spirit" side and post it on the net, but it is still so that they can share something very special to them with whom ever may care to see it.
I too wouldn't think that any of these couples would have licensed their video/pics for someone else to use for profit. It is possible, but unlikely.
Hubby...my VERY first web site was Signs Shop site..
I had 4 visitors a day untill I put on the front page:
if you are loooking for sex, porn, sex toys, etc, etc, etc
you won't find it here.
My traffic went up 500% in 2 weeks.
was I wrong stiring jerk offs to a sign site?
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Originally posted by JR@Nov 14 2003, 12:42 PM No one cares that mayflies live only 18 hrs. Thats wrong too. Poor little mayfly familes only have one happy day together. That sucks.
Aaahhh, but to them JR, that 18 hours is a lifetime.
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 14 2003, 12:43 PM Hubby...my VERY first web site was Signs Shop site..
I had 4 visitors a day untill I put on the front page:
if you are loooking for sex, porn, sex toys, etc, etc, etc
you won't find it here.
My traffic went up 500% in 2 weeks.
was I wrong stiring jerk offs to a sign site?
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Not at all Serge. You used a reverse type of marketing ploy to get the traffic. Things like "If you're looking for "this", you won't find it here." gets peoples attention. Why, I don't know, it's just human nature. The difference, as I see it, between porn and child birth is that sex can be done just for the sake of sex. No intimacy, no tenderness, just raw sex. Child birth is something that is on a totally different level. It is the most important thing (maybe not for everyone) that you can do as a human being, bring new life to the world.
Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Nov 14 2003, 01:08 PM Hubby,
I guess I am much more tolerant than....
EVERYTHING can be portraied as dirty...
ANYTHING dirty can be sanitized in the hands of a good lawyer/promoter.
I stopped following labels long time ago and TRY HARD from passing judgements...
Well Serge, what is dirty is in the eyes of the beholder. I personally don't think that sex is at all dirty. Child birth is the furthest thing from dirty you can get, if you ignore all the fluids, blood and such.
There are some things that I do find disgusting, that others love. As long as all parties involved are of consenting age and willingly participating, so be it, I don't have to involve myself if i don't like it.
I guess what it comes down to is that everyone has their own moral standards, but there are some things that simply go outside the boundaries of that and become amoral. The simple fact that someone or something totally innocent could be harmed in some way just makes it wrong. I don't know if this is one of those things, but it has potential.
Hubby, by the way, congratulations on the little one who will be joining your family very soon. Carrie is welcome to her strong feelings regarding the protection of children. There is nothing more important than having a child and providing a safe and loving environment for that child.
I'm just surprised that Carrie is reacting as hotly and emotionally as she is regarding that particular website. Like I said, maybe they are showing videos which are totally revolting and out-of-line...I can't tell without joining, and that's the last thing I want to do. I'd rather give the money to a Toys-4-Tots site.
Make sure Carrie gets enough sleep and takes her vitamins. The next few months will have her in a tail-spin, and she may need some of my meds!
Gonzo, we have a problem! Now and then we might agree on something, and then what do we do??????
Originally posted by confucy@Nov 14 2003, 04:49 PM Hubby, by the way, congratulations on the little one who will be joining your family very soon. Carrie is welcome to her strong feelings regarding the protection of children. There is nothing more important than having a child and providing a safe and loving environment for that child.
I'm just surprised that Carrie is reacting as hotly and emotionally as she is regarding that particular website. Like I said, maybe they are showing videos which are totally revolting and out-of-line...I can't tell without joining, and that's the last thing I want to do. I'd rather give the money to a Toys-4-Tots site.
Make sure Carrie gets enough sleep and takes her vitamins. The next few months will have her in a tail-spin, and she may need some of my meds!
Gonzo, we have a problem! Now and then we might agree on something, and then what do we do??????
I dont know which one of you to back in the Deathmatch...J's or you....tough choice!
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Originally posted by confucy@Nov 14 2003, 01:49 PM Hubby, by the way, congratulations on the little one who will be joining your family very soon. Carrie is welcome to her strong feelings regarding the protection of children. There is nothing more important than having a child and providing a safe and loving environment for that child.
I'm just surprised that Carrie is reacting as hotly and emotionally as she is regarding that particular website. Like I said, maybe they are showing videos which are totally revolting and out-of-line...I can't tell without joining, and that's the last thing I want to do. I'd rather give the money to a Toys-4-Tots site.
Make sure Carrie gets enough sleep and takes her vitamins. The next few months will have her in a tail-spin, and she may need some of my meds!
Gonzo, we have a problem! Now and then we might agree on something, and then what do we do??????
Thank You Confucy.
As far as her using some of your meds, I'm not so sure they would be to good for the wee-one inside.
I can relate to Carrie's hormones going up and down. I'm on antibiotics and they make me weepy and sleepy. Something happens to my brain and I get scared and think I'm going to crash and burn. So for the next couple of weeks, I will not be myself. I may be acting like a normal human being. Gonzo, you are safe from the old confucy for a while. Enjoy it. I WILL BE BACK!
Serge, I think I will pass on pregnancy. I think it can be a wonderful thing, but I have eggs frozen in a lab in Indianapolis, and if I ever get the urge for a child, I will search for a fine male speciment and a surrogate, and a cute little baby will pop out of another woman's stomach into my arms. I hate bloating, pain, fat stomachs, backaches, and morning sickness. I love cute little babies.
Originally posted by confucy@Nov 14 2003, 04:57 PM I can relate to Carrie's hormones going up and down. I'm on antibiotics and they make me weepy and sleepy. Something happens to my brain and I get scared and think I'm going to crash and burn. So for the next couple of weeks, I will not be myself. I may be acting like a normal human being. Gonzo, you are safe from the old confucy for a while. Enjoy it. I WILL BE BACK!
Stop taking the meds its gonna mank things boring.Maybe Darci will start modelling lingere to crank things up!
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Hi girlgeek. There is a rumor you want another child. It would be nice to give your daughter a little brother. It must be the water or the particles flying around in the air from the sun. Everyone seems to be getting pregnant!
Originally posted by confucy@Nov 14 2003, 02:08 PM Hi girlgeek. There is a rumor you want another child. It would be nice to give your daughter a little brother. It must be the water or the particles flying around in the air from the sun. Everyone seems to be getting pregnant!
And who started such a rumor?
Not at this time, but maybe we will start working on a little Mitnick after the wedding. I hate being pregnant, maybe you're onto something with the surrogate thing. Love the babies, though.
I'm surprised you're passing on Serge's offer of $1,000. Easy money for you, the competition looks soft.
Gonzo, Sarettah just made me an honorary pornographer last night, and you are already trying to get me out of my clothes. Isn't there a "break-in" period?
I thought you were kidding when you mentioned a wedding in your future. I really don't know why you would want to do something like that if your relationship is going well. Madonna jumped all over David Letterman this week because he just had a son, and he isn't married. I'm looking forward to the Bachelor Girl who is getting married in two weeks on TV to the fireman from Colorado she selected. Also, when Brad and Laura get married next month, we will be getting great pictures...I hope.
Darci, I have a question for you. For a long time you're blog was open to the public. I don't remember you having a problem with any of the visitors. Why would you turn an open blog into a membership thing? I told friends about your site and they enjoyed it. Then all of a sudden they were blocked. Some radio people told me the same thing. It's a shame you feel the need to block people you have never met who are not interested in hurting you or anyone.
Originally posted by cherrylula@Nov 14 2003, 12:14 PM If theres nothing wrong with that, then why is scat illegal...doesn't make sense imo. Are they not both natural bodily functions? hahahahah ewwww
But I have no clue whats so erotic about seeing something squeezed out of a womans body.
I think there's some confusion between obscene and illegal in this thread.
Anything can be considered obscene by the right 12 people.
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