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Originally posted by Vick@Nov 10 2003, 02:31 PM Squirt - we have WAYyyyyyyyyy different opinions on this so ....
You seem like a decent guy with a good mind and being you're new somewhat to posting here I'll drop my end of the discussion
edit - p.s. can you please give a warning next time you post graphic pics when it's in the AM here in the US?
Vick.. since I might post something at night in the U.S. that you might not see until the next morning.. I'll just always preface my posts with pics as (Vick, cover your eyes) Will that due?
If I had the room and the money, I would foster kids. The room and the money is tied in, as I need more money in order to get more room.
Partial birth abortions are late-term, third trimester abortions. Unless there is something seriously physically wrong with the child, it could indeed survive after birth.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 10 2003, 03:00 PM If I had the room and the money, I would foster kids. The room and the money is tied in, as I need more money in order to get more room.
Partial birth abortions are late-term, third trimester abortions. Unless there is something seriously physically wrong with the child, it could indeed survive after birth.
I'm with you there! I love kids and remember when I was younger and put in the position I was.... really good people changed my life and showed me what love really was. A judge, a social worker, people in the group home, Foster parents... and a kind teacher showed me what love is.
I'm sure all of us have experience with someone in our life, who wasn't a parent, that went out of their way to make a difference, not because they had to, but because they are good people.
You sound like good people Carrie... you deserve your name on my models ass lol
It's no wonder to me why incubators are little death-traps. Imagine the number of sheer germs floating around in hospitals - even with the sterilized equipment and filtered air. It's where sick people go in large numbers every day.
Plus you take a baby completely and totally away from its mother, her warmth, her heartbeat, and her breastmilk... no child fares well without those crucial things. If he needs the tubes and such, so be it - but let him lay in his mother's arms where the familiar sound of her heart can calm and relax him and her nutritious breastmilk can feed him.
Children in incubators have always looked to me to be horribly frightened and alone; stress is one of the most dangerous things to a baby's fragile system.
I know, getting off-topic here.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 10 2003, 03:28 PM It's no wonder to me why incubators are little death-traps. Imagine the number of sheer germs floating around in hospitals - even with the sterilized equipment and filtered air. It's where sick people go in large numbers every day.
Plus you take a baby completely and totally away from its mother, her warmth, her heartbeat, and her breastmilk... no child fares well without those crucial things. If he needs the tubes and such, so be it - but let him lay in his mother's arms where the familiar sound of her heart can calm and relax him and her nutritious breastmilk can feed him.
Children in incubators have always looked to me to be horribly frightened and alone; stress is one of the most dangerous things to a baby's fragile system.
I know, getting off-topic here.
Yeah.. now you can understand why I don't want my baby like that, and neither does my doctor.
And although I don't agree with ANYONE having to die unneccessarily, I also hate suffering too. It's almost like euthenasia.. which is another touchy subject I know. There IS no right or wrong answer for every situation. Every situation is going to have different circumstances, reprecussions and neccessities...
Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 10 2003, 03:28 PM It's no wonder to me why incubators are little death-traps. Imagine the number of sheer germs floating around in hospitals - even with the sterilized equipment and filtered air. It's where sick people go in large numbers every day.
Plus you take a baby completely and totally away from its mother, her warmth, her heartbeat, and her breastmilk... no child fares well without those crucial things. If he needs the tubes and such, so be it - but let him lay in his mother's arms where the familiar sound of her heart can calm and relax him and her nutritious breastmilk can feed him.
Children in incubators have always looked to me to be horribly frightened and alone; stress is one of the most dangerous things to a baby's fragile system.
I know, getting off-topic here.
You're right.. their nervous systems go haywire in the NICU ... you have to keep very quiet and with my boy they covered his ears to help him cope.
Oh - Vick, you mentioned men providing breastmilk. Just a note, they often did back before formulas. Laura Shanley, a dear friend of mine and one of the most outspoken advocates of homebirth - her hubby wanted to see if he could produce breastmilk. It took a few weeks, but he did it. Mind over matter kind of thing.
Just an interesting side-note.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Nov 10 2003, 03:52 PM Oh - Vick, you mentioned men providing breastmilk. Just a note, they often did back before formulas. Laura Shanley, a dear friend of mine and one of the most outspoken advocates of homebirth - her hubby wanted to see if he could produce breastmilk. It took a few weeks, but he did it. Mind over matter kind of thing.
Just an interesting side-note.
They can take hormones to do it as well Men can also get breast cancer. Montel Williams had it. A few more interesting facts.
As a matter of personal policy, i normally do not participate in threads regarding abortion, gun control, death penalty or less filling vs. tastes great. You cant change anyone's mind on any of those.
However, my personal opinion is that abortion should be legal up until the time they get a job and move out of the house.
Originally posted by Hell Puppy@Nov 10 2003, 10:50 PM However, my personal opinion is that abortion should be legal up until the time they get a job and move out of the house.
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