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It's all about choosing your battles wisely. You know that....
I like to spend my time moving forward, not fighting about things that in the big picture are not going to mean much. Not enough time in the day........[/quote]
which brings us back to the first page of this thread:
SMELL THE FUCKING COFFEE!
you don't wanna be the richest corps at the cemetery
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Ken: IMO, the big picture is that many companies are going to try and take advantage of these preditory litigations on IP. Acacia is only one but they won't be the last.
I know you did not want to settle and the decision came from higher up. I respect you for walking out to deal with that decision so straightforwardly, no matter the reaction.
I think it is important for us to set the perimeter and send the right message out to those that would attempt these types of lawsuits. It is worth it for our industry to show its resolve and not be considered "low hanging fruit" to every tom dick and harry carpetbagging company trying to abuse loopholes in the Patent Process and reconstrue non-applicable patents improperly.
We all have to ask ourselves "when is enough enough" then balance that by "where will my company be in ten years" and "what do I stand to lose" and the weight of that impacts our choices on whether we fight or settle. At this time, in this fight, we are resolved and firm in our convictions. We look forward to our day in court.
Flynt is seen since the movie about his First Amendment case as being a "saviour" of the adult industry.
I think a touch of existential reality hit and it was like saying "God is dead"... riots occured as a result and the entire balance of the natural order of the universe came into dispute.
Originally posted by Far-L@Oct 7 2003, 01:02 PM Flynt is seen since the movie about his First Amendment case as being a "saviour" of the adult industry.
I think a touch of existential reality hit and it was like saying "God is dead"... riots occured as a result and the entire balance of the natural order of the universe came into dispute.
Did Ron die? I thought he was God.
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Originally posted by Far-L@Oct 7 2003, 04:02 PM Flynt is seen since the movie about his First Amendment case as being a "saviour" of the adult industry.
I think a touch of existential reality hit and it was like saying "God is dead"... riots occured as a result and the entire balance of the natural order of the universe came into dispute.
Originally posted by Marc De@Oct 6 2003, 10:28 PM I also reflect back to my comment on education. There is a lot of educating that needs to take place so smaller affiliates aren't 'scared' of Acacia. The more educated we are the better decisions we'll make.
I could not agree more Marc, and I think the idea of the radio show in an excellent one! Far too many people are in a panic without finding out the facts. Information is a powerful weapon, unfortunately mis-information is as well, it is just one we use on ourselves.
I would agree the well known brands and personalities took a beating in many webmasters minds, however thats part of the price which one have to pay when signing with Acacia, since Acacia celebrates each new licensor with press releases to the world!
I guess if you are company number 100 to sign with Acacia, then it will get easier, since webmasters will be used to the news by then.... that is unless Acacia decides to buy all ads spots on oprano, gfy etc. to celebrate
their licensor # 100
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Originally posted by Rolo@Oct 7 2003, 05:23 PM I would agree the well known brands and personalities took a beating in many webmasters minds, however thats part of the price which one have to pay when signing with Acacia, since Acacia celebrates each new licensor with press releases to the world!
I guess if you are company number 100 to sign with Acacia, then it will get easier, since webmasters will be used to the news by then.... that is unless Acacia decides to buy all ads spots on oprano, gfy etc. to celebrate
their licensor # 100
Think they will give anything away for the 100th customer?
This whole thing has me pretty depressed....
If you think Acacia is the end of it, think again....
I have heard that R-n is trying to acquire some of Shuster's patents to unleash a reign of tyranny on the adult net...like the exit console one.
That and Serge has mentioned the patents that GaryK has.
I think it is time to stop the go along to get along BS, and people start telling the truth.
Larry Flynt is a defender of NOTHING but Larry Flynt... everything else is a fictionalized Hollywood versions. ( I have been saying this from day one.) There is nothing wrong with Flynt looking out for himself, that is what people do - but when others praise him for looking out for others... well, I think this post makes it abudently clear what the deal is.
We have got to step up, or next thing we know 20% of gross will be heading out the door to all these cockholsters.
Get Educated and fight back!
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The internet is like water - it shapes its course around/above/below the objects which blocks the flow.
There might be room for 1 or 2 patent parasites in the US without the internet changing its course, but put 10 or 20 patent parasites in the water, and it will block any business from being done from the US, and then the "hosts" they had invaded will die along with the patent parasites...
However this will not stop the real money being made from the internet - it will just happende from places where patent parasites have no claims.
So dear Mr. Patent Parasite, you might think that you can control your patents, but reality is that you are fighting a battle which is already lost - not because of the courts, but because of the evalution of the internet.
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I have heard that R-n is trying to acquire some of Shuster's patents to unleash a reign of tyranny on the adult net...like the exit console one.
That and Serge has mentioned the patents that GaryK has.
I guess these things happen when your webmaster program is no longer in the Top 5 and that piece of Internet property you worked so hard to get back is worth half of what it was when it was owned by a crook........
In fact it gave me nightmares... visions of an apocalyptic future...revelations...
I see a Demon that doth bear two faces one that is snarling in rage and the other with blunted teeth trying to take a bite out of the frail and meek lambs that run in terror before it... it ravages the countryside and holds all accountable to it promising to take back the bounty it claims to have once dispersed and demands that interest be paid in flesh and blood.
Look upon the storm that rapes the infinite blue skies and offends the chastity of the honest souls! Gaze in horror and do not look away!
The cataclysm follows the terrifying beast and lays fires from lightning that strikes without warning and the thunder breaks the resolve of the weak hearted into a hundred shards for which there is no repair.
The faint hearted are consumed by the pious, who ridicule the sacrifices made by the meek then gorge on the fruits of their labors.
Greed breaks wind and laughs all the way to the bank to make a deposit of blood, sweat, and tears, the wages of sin and profited at the expense of syncophantic leeches that spit rather than swallow their shame.
Hark! Look upon the devastation and fear it not! There are knights in silken pajamas carrying sharp swords! There is a covenant of the faithful who know no fear of this beast and will stand against it as a mountain stands before a storm. There are angels that come to reinforce the will of the good!
There will be pain, sacrifice, and defeat, but in the end the faithful will know the glory of justice and truth will once again step forth across the land and make us all rich the old fashioned way... that is... it will be earned by those most deserving... and so the true believers have little to fear.
At least that is the way it went down in my Dream Circle...
Looks like a good time to get out of this biz. I have heard rumors of former big guys buying patents as well.
Companies are doing what is best for them, with no thought or concern of the industry as a whole. But, hard to say I would not/have not done the same thing.
Originally posted by BradShaw@Oct 8 2003, 12:05 AM Wow.
Looks like a good time to get out of this biz. I have heard rumors of former big guys buying patents as well.
Companies are doing what is best for them, with no thought or concern of the industry as a whole. But, hard to say I would not/have not done the same thing.
Brad you are right, I understand people making best deals they can. I just don't want to see anything else about heros, and fighting the good fight, we owe them everything, they are leaders, etc....
I might have done same thing... it was business decision....
OF course there are some that are working against the industry, who want to rape it for as much as they can. These are the real snakes that need to be outed, and vilified!
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All of this is exactly why Acacia went after the adult industry.
There's money here. But the industry is not organized and in fact the big players are so competitive and untrusting of one another that they are prone to stab each other in the back just to make a couple of extra points. Far-L, Spike and crew are fighting the good fight, but we're obviously seeing more and more big players cave and look out for self interests.
I do not fault them, just saying that this is exactly what Acacia is counting on.
Someone needs to put 'em on the stand in front of a judge and ask them why they haven't gone after such huge blatent offenders as Real, Microsoft, AOLTW, Disney, et al. It's obvious this is a shake down, but the system favors the patent holder if you do not fight them.
Brad: I have huge respect for your stand on this. Enough said because I will never be able to say enough.
I also have to say the we, as well as many others, are involved in generating patents. It is one thing to be the legitimate inventor of something and patenting it vs. being an Acaica and blatantly misenforcing a non-applicable patent that should not be valid in the first place.
Hell Puppy: Thanks for the kind words. I have to say that I did not get into this to be a hero. I did not get into this to improve business. I got into this to defend MY company from losing income. I simply came to separate conclusions about what would be good for us than the others that settled came to.
My reasoning came down to a number of factors. Money, obviously, but also seeing that this was a rising trend and a problem that would become endemic to business overall. I thought also "if my customers have less money to spend then they have less money to buy" and that is what helped me to realize what is universally at stake here for all of us. Imagine if Acacia pulls 2 to 200 million out of the industry every year? What is the next shakedown going to be taking out?
So that is how I got myself into this mess... and why I have no intention of getting out until it is cleaned up as much as I am able with the others that have chosen a similar path.
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