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Old 06-11-2003   #1
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We should go to war and get 1 out of 2 on weapons finds. After that, we can play for 2 out of 3.



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We should go to war and get 1 out of 2 on weapons finds. After that, we can play for 2 out of 3.
Might as well make that 2 out of 4....
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"The State Department spent all their time trying to figure out how to live with Communism, Reagan spent all his time figuring out how to defeat Communism"
Newt Gingrich - on Reagan
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Newt Gingrich - on Reagan
Newt was kind of fat - don't you think that got heavy on Reagan after a while. Or maybe Ronnie was a bottom, he never struck me as one but you never know


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"The State Department spent all their time trying to figure out how to live with Communism, Reagan spent all his time figuring out how to defeat Communism"
Newt Gingrich - on Reagan
JR ... fix your bot. Normally you are much more on point than this.
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"Rumsfeld: Iran may have nukes soon " - Translation "We have Iraqs oil we now need Irans and a route for an oil pipe"
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"Rumsfeld: Iran may have nukes soon " - Translation "We have Iraqs oil we now need Irans and a route for an oil pipe"
and this would be because we can successfully argue that Iran is a normal, stable country with a stable government that should have nuclear weapons?

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What right does America have to go and invade other countries solely on the belief that they may have WMD?

It would be alot easy to argue that George Bush is the worlds most dangerous individual and that while he is in power America should not have the right to have nuclear.
i did not say they had any "right" to do it.

why is the IAEA, Russia, EU and UN pushing Iran to come clean and they are refusing?

is a nuclear Iran a safe thing for anyone?
is it a reversable thing?
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are you saying "i dont like Bush, so Iran should have nuclear weapons"?
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are you saying "i dont like Bush, so Iran should have nuclear weapons"?
I am not sayig that because I think Bush is a maniac that illegally put himself in power that Iran should have nuclear weapons. Personally I think no-one should have nuclear weapons.
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What right does America have to go and invade other countries solely on the belief that they may have WMD?
Might is right.
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"why is the IAEA, Russia, EU and UN pushing Iran to come clean and they are refusing?"

More to the point, why the hell is the IAEA in my referrer stats every day?
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"why is the IAEA, Russia, EU and UN pushing Iran to come clean and they are refusing?"

More to the point, why the hell is the IAEA in my referrer stats every day?
Torone, are you hiding nuclear weapons?
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"Rumsfeld: Iran may have nukes soon " - Translation "We have Iraqs oil we now need Irans and a route for an oil pipe"
Man you might want to read some books about the middle east and learn a little bit more about Irans' policies before you post about this subject again.
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Speaking of books, I just finished reading The Hunt for Bin Laden by Robin Moore. It follows the Green Berets on the ground in Afghanistan on their missions against the Taliban and Al-Qaida. It gives a very good insight into modern day special forces warfare. A very impressive book indeed.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=books&n=507846

I highly recommend it to people who want to learn more on the war on terrorism than is seen on the news. MikeAI you'd like it I'm sure.



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How does it end?
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How does it end?
It ends when Task Force Dagger pulls out of Afghanistan shortly after the AQ standoff in Tora Bora.

The title is actually misleading, the book is more about the war against the Taliban than the search for Bin Laden.
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Task Force Dagger being the initial Green Beret task force inserted into Afghanistan right after 9/11 to link up with Northern Alliance generals and call in airstrikes etc.
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The title is actually misleading, the book is more about the war against the Taliban than the search for Bin Laden.
I think because the story still lacks a good ending. Hopefully someday there will be a new edition with an addendum.
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Yeah it's hard to come up with a good ending to a non-fiction book called "The Hunt For Bin Laden".

But I too hope to one day read the last "all is well that ends well" chapter ;-)
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more to the point, i would say there is two basic strategies in the world regarding the middle east, fundamentalism and terrorism.

some countries are focused on "how do we modify their behavior"
some are focused on "how do we defeat this behavior"
Kind of an overly simplistic summary, don't you think?

I think that the approach which is limited to modifying their behavior has failed completely.

I think that there is plenty of historical precedent to indicate that a military approach to defeating their behavior will fail - Israel wouldn't exist, Vietnam would either be still two nations or non-Communist, and Afghanistan might still be Communist, come to mind immediately.
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