dirtyduckets oewes me more than 11000$

ok, after 4 month of wait and wait for a payment from dirtyduckets.com (more than 11.000$) im bored now of read their emails and aim conversations saying they are going to pay in the next two weeks bla,bla,bla....
If you are a webmaster planning to do bussiness with dirtyduckets.com or doing right now bussiness with dirtyduckets.. take your own conclusions.

here are some screenshots of my stats with they and some conversations.....

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dirtyduckette: Sorry its a national Holiday, so banks are closed
dirtyduckette: We hear we should have tomorrow :-)
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dirtyduckette: truth is, I want to pay you bad!!! dont want anyone to think that they are not getting payed

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isra: yes i was just curious why now all the people are talking abut that on a lot of babenet on forums
dirtyduckette: As long as I dont fuck my webmasters and make sure everyone gets paid. We're all set! :-)
isra: thats its nothing new
dirtyduckette: People on boards seem to not be making money, or have nothing to do
dirtyduckette: Its all gossip
dirtyduckette: People need to get to work and start making some $$$

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Wed Feb 26 16:53:34 2003
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dirtyduckette: Maybe because yur not sending as much traffic as before :-\
isra: i like to be honest Yvette i cant send you that amount of trafficc i sended to you before because and now im really fucked about the babenet issue i know it is not completly under your control, but i need to send my trafficc to other sponsors to try to get quick money...
dirtyduckette: I totally understand
dirtyduckette: And if babenet doesnt pay me within 2-4 weeks I'm paying you out of my own pocket :-)

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Tue Mar 18 11:07:15 2003
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isra: and we can hope to be payed from the babenet periods?
dirtyduckette: yes
dirtyduckette: absolutely!
isra: ah ok for one moment i have been scared

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Mon Mar 31 09:11:13 2003
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isra: any news from babenet?
dirtyduckette: Actually yes, the word is that they are auditing all joins since June of 2002 , to work out the fraud. We're not getting paid for that. Then they will deduct that amount from what we're owed
dirtyduckette: then pay us :-)

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isra: do you have any notice about the payouts?
dirtyduckette: No unfortunately not yet, but will keep you updated
dirtyduckette: Payouts for period 3 will go out at the end of this week

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I have a lot more, but i think its enought to take your own conclusions... after that you think they are going to pay? lets see what they say...











Israel
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Last edited by isra at Apr 16 2003, 05:11 AM

[Forest]

another babenet front end scam



:angry:

[Vick]

isra - I'm not familiar with you but looking at those numbers your conversions are something any company will take (either that or when somethings looks to good to be true ........)

I'm looking at a 1 in 37 unique conversion ratio for the 1/22 to 1/31
Those are unreal numbers - I not saying you're fudging the numbers
I'm saying (again) when somethings looks to good to be true it usually is

Again if you can do CLOSE to those numbers on a consistent basis there isn't a company in this business that doesn't want your traffic

im working now with 3 sponsors more with the same numbers . my trafficc its just good targetting trafficc i dont send people to sites that they dont want to go....

Dirtyduckets are paying me still the periods after the babenet thing (links from my archives)... they just dont want to pay me because babenet doesnt pay to they.But they are happy with my trafficc... i can post here the paypal payments from lasts weeks to proof it.



Last edited by isra at Apr 16 2003, 06:25 AM

What a fuckin Joke.... Isra, Israel, Lili.. whatever name your going to change it to.. I see how your posting your bullshit all over the boards.

The webmasters name that you are dealing with is Israel from Spain and his website is www.greenshines.com
Since he prefers to take this to the boards in attempt to trash our name, lets take a second to look at his site and the type of joins he was sending. Visa's charge back threshold is 2.5% before they shut down your account. Israel from Spain (Greenshines) was kind enough to send 28% Charge backs and CC runs where the first half of the card numbers are identical. (this means CC generators) aka Fraud. Because of webmasters like Israel and his referred webmasters we will NOT accept webmasters from Spain.

Cheers Everyone..
Eric

[Mike AI]

I must be out of the loop, I have never heard of dirtyduckets.com

I feel so lost.....

Originally posted by Duckets@Apr 16 2003, 08:37 AM
What a fuckin Joke.... Isra, Israel, Lili.. whatever name your going to change it to.. I see how your posting your bullshit all over the boards.

The webmasters name that you are dealing with is Israel from Spain and his website is www.greenshines.com
Since he prefers to take this to the boards in attempt to trash our name, lets take a second to look at his site and the type of joins he was sending. Visa's charge back threshold is 2.5% before they shut down your account. Israel from Spain (Greenshines) was kind enough to send 28% Charge backs and CC runs where the first half of the card numbers are identical. (this means CC generators) aka Fraud. Because of webmasters like Israel and his referred webmasters we will NOT accept webmasters from Spain.

Cheers Everyone..
Eric

i hope you can proofs of all of that "fraud" you are talking about....
1) post that proffs

2) if you say im in fraud why are you paying me the periods before from babenet coming from my archives (i have the paypal payments from lasts weeks)

3) and the most important thing... are you going to payme ? why in all our conversations since 3 days ago you allways say you are going to pay me "next week" and now you talk charge backs fraud etc etc without proofs?

[sextoyking]

Mike,

I have never heard of them either?

I do know that they really need some new designs though

[Hooper]

hey isra... blatant spam here... but you should check out our program, quickbuck.. we're good as gold and have the references to boot...

[Vick]

Originally posted by sextoyking@Apr 16 2003, 12:26 PM
I do know that they really need some new designs though

Ahhh Todd you're beautiful



Hooper - you've been around, seriously what do you think of those numbers? something even like 1 in 73 RAW on 15,000 clicks???
That's not a ton of traffic but enough for a fair test

Even with the set up Dirty Duckets has (free join- addon/cross sell) those are nutty numbers

I might know of one legitimate company that might do that or come close to that on a consistent basis

I don't know who's who in this and who's wrong, right or left but those numbers still look/smell fishy to me, either reporting wise or fraud wise

Isra - if you are for real Hopper is good pay, so are a lot of other people here

Hmmm if there were generated CC's numbers how did those generated CC's numbers are get through scrubbing? Or maybe a lack thereof?

as i told you before it is targeted trafficc people looking for free sites/free porn/free passwords . im sure my numbers are not an exception... i know almost 4 webmasters from USA doing the same numbers than me with free passwords sites...

[MikeW]

What the hell is a 'ducket' anyway? ... and why would I want a 'dirty' one? I guess I'm wayyy out of the loop .. lol

[Nickatilynx]

Ya know I have actually done those numbers in bursts ...with hoopers program,would you believe.

[sextoyking]

Vick,

didn't mean to sound like an ass, but when I saw the webmaster site and some designs, well thought I could put in a quick upsell there

[Vick]

Todd - wasn't implying anything, I thought is was pretty cool he he


Nick - yeah I can believe that (especially depending on the year) but is the difference your's was targeted mailer traffic via clicked link VS. isra's being Spanish Language website ( if http://www.greenshines.com is isra's site) to English Language websites

Apples to apples, oranges to pears and fucking fruit salad

99% of the Spanish webmasters are promoting only dialers then im promoting only CC sites. i have a site with more than 150k bookmarked hits a day and I am eating the market in Spain... thats the secret.

[Hooper]

1:73 is good.. but not so good that i would start sniffing around for scams.

He's telling his surfers to join for 3 days and cancel, so that they don't have to spend any money. Since the surfer can't read English, he's probably having trouble cancelling or just doesn't, ergo the huge chargeback ratio. A lot of free trial sites (I haven't looked at those he's advertising), make it pretty tough to cancel, so that could be one problem.

I mirrored my site in Spanish back in 98 when I opened LP..it was the same members' area, all the same pages, just the links took them to the Spanish mirror of a page. Lots of work! I kept it totally up to date, all the service pages were in Spanish, etc.

6 months down the line I have a 14% chargeback ratio on the Spanish mirror and less than 1% on the English mirror. I closed the Spanish site immediately and stopped taking that traffic.

There's a reason why a lot of sponsors don't want the foreign traffic. At least when my surfers wrote to me in Spanish asking for help, I could write to them. I don't know how many emails I translated back then for other paysite owners, but it was a lot. If they can't communicate, they are going to charge back. Also, South America is a hotbed of cc generators.

I can't judge in this case, could be that this guy is sending traffic honestly and it's just his surfers that suck. That sure was true in my case. Or maybe he's fucking the sponsor. Hard to tell.

[SykkBoy]

Originally posted by originalheather@Apr 16 2003, 07:41 PM
He's telling his surfers to join for 3 days and cancel, so that they don't have to spend any money.

That alone is cause for termination in most programs....

Originally posted by originalheather@Apr 16 2003, 04:41 PM
He's telling his surfers to join for 3 days and cancel, so that they don't have to spend any money

what are you talking about?
where im telling that?

Originally posted by originalheather@Apr 16 2003, 04:41 PM
Also, South America is a hotbed of cc generators.

who is talking about south America? Spain is in Europe....

And you think that only the Spanish are going to your sites? Please. But thanks for telling me where Spain is, I didn't know.

[pimpdog]

hey isra
ill pay you $30 a free trial, and only shave you 30%. hit me up
141588569
if i get 1 chargeback i am sueing you and killing your dog.

maybe this case demonstrates some of the problems with the babenet model, a second tier program approves a webmaster because well there is no risk for them & they want to generate as many sales.

Guy promotes in Spanish (question: did anyone from Dirty Duckets actually read this guy's site or check it periodically since it was in another language?) Tells people to join & cancel .... come on' who is that going to benefit, definetly not the guy paying $50 per signup!

Isra you would never have been able to pull that crap with us. Signup & Cancel. But I guess the lifetime $40 per month membership contributed to chargebacks as well.... ah well maybe Isra & babenet were a match made in hell. both have now been buttfucked royally.

Heather, great info on spanish traffic. I'm flicking it on now.



Last edited by meatloaf at Apr 16 2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by meatloaf@Apr 16 2003, 10:09 PM
maybe this case demonstrates some of the problems with the babenet model, a second tier program approves a webmaster because well there is no risk for them & they want to generate as many sales.

Guy promotes in Spanish (question: did anyone from Dirty Duckets actually read this guy's site or check it periodically since it was in another language?) Tells people to join & cancel .... come on' who is that going to benefit, definetly not the guy paying $50 per signup!

Isra you would never have been able to pull that crap with us. Signup & Cancel. But I guess the lifetime $40 per month membership contributed to chargebacks as well.... ah well maybe Isra & babenet were a match made in hell. both have now been buttfucked royally.

Heather, great info on spanish traffic. I'm flicking it on now.

i NEVER put Signup & Cancel anywhere..... just direct the links to their sites on my frontpage, and one popup under with screenshots of their sites linked to their sites thats all.

Isra, webmaster fraud is the scurge of our industry.

Selling a FREE Lifetime pass and then slapping the customer with a $40 charge is going to lead to a lot of chargebacks. Simple. The rest is history.

I know that is a babenet issue, but ultimately it is your issue.

I don't even know the full story about babenet, just they lost their merchant account, funds frozen & basically the Israeli's told them to go. Maybe Shannon from Piecash can fill us in on the latest?