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When I come to Oprano nowadays, I fully expect to be reading about 1 of 2 things guaranteed. Either football, or politics/war.
But what is with all of the claims that this or that or he or she or they are "anti-American"? It's been said over and over that not everyone has to agree 100% with America's stand on every political issue or foreign policy decision, but when someone does, they are curiously being labelled anti-American.
There are a ton of reasons why I'm proud to be Canadian. I get to live in a peaceful, wealthy nation and enjoy the fruits of having the richest nation in the world just to the south of me. Am I a fair weather friend? No, I don't think so. I don't feel this way. But I don't agree with everything my friends to the south believe or choose to believe. I don't have to. Free society says I can have my own opinions on these things.
When my American friends go off on their tangents of how their country is the best in the world, I mostly just stay quiet and think how much of the world they haven't seen. How many different cultures they know absolutely nothing or very little about. Or the assumptions made about other cultures (like the Dutch wear wooden shoes still! LOL) But I don't comment on these things. Why ruin someones opinion of themself? It makes no sense. But I do like it when someone actually gets interested in visiting and learning about the culture behind someone elses borders. When I go on vacation, I much prefer to visit another nation and learn about their history, rather than going to an all-inclusive and lay on the beach for 10 days.
Example. I know almost nothing about the Russian culture. I would love to visit one day and learn. From what I do know about it's history, I'm quite keen to learn, and eventually I will.
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We can talk about the talk of poor conversions of CFF.... I have been reading on other boards its not converting like it used to. Whats up with that?
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Originally posted by Evil Chris@Mar 7 2003, 09:24 AM When I go on vacation, I much prefer to visit another nation and learn about their history, rather than going to an all-inclusive and lay on the beach for 10 days.
i feel just the same way. I would much rather explore cities and cultures than go to a beach that could be anywhere. I couldn't spend more than a day at a beach without getting very itchy feet.
Psssst Evil Chris since you enjoy learning about other cultures
Football season (American Football, not soccer) ended over a month ago
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Wondering why the title of this thread is Proudly non-American as opposed to maybe Proudly Canadian or Proudly a citizen of the world?
when you post as Proudly non-American it can put American's on the defensive a little
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What fries my onions is when you're in one of these great countries that are rich with history, culture and cuisine.... and you see these dipshits in your hotel that go out to eat at McDonalds. Like, your vacation is 2 weeks, you can eat Micky D's anytime back home, but you can't eat authentic french or russian or malaysian food back home any time you want..... the stupidity astounds me.
If you're going to visit a country... EXPERIENCE IT for crap sakes.
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Originally posted by CDSmith@Mar 7 2003, 10:34 AM What fries my onions is when you're in one of these great countries that are rich with history, culture and cuisine.... and you see these dipshits in your hotel that go out to eat at McDonalds. Like, your vacation is 2 weeks, you can eat Micky D's anytime back home, but you can't eat authentic french or russian or malaysian food back home any time you want..... the stupidity astounds me.
If you're going to visit a country... EXPERIENCE IT for crap sakes.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Too true!
When we went to Nawlins, we tried the Gator...when we hit Florida or San Francisco we always go for the fresh seafood....down in Mexico, we tried some interesting regional cuisine apart from the typical burrito and taco fare...Portland - THE Prime Rib capital as far as I'm concerned (thanks Todd!)...Denver...we tried the Buffalo burgers (yum!)...Atlanta - the creme brulle with peach sauce rocked - those Georgia peaches are amazing!...you gotta try the local foods. Screw Mickey D's - lol
another little tidbit
For those Proudly non-American
Maybe you can try getting paid in non-American dollars and paying your affiliates in non-American dollars
Just an idea - you know put your $$$$ where you mouth is
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Originally posted by CDSmith@Mar 7 2003, 01:34 PM What fries my onions is when you're in one of these great countries that are rich with history, culture and cuisine.... and you see these dipshits in your hotel that go out to eat at McDonalds. Like, your vacation is 2 weeks, you can eat Micky D's anytime back home, but you can't eat authentic french or russian or malaysian food back home any time you want..... the stupidity astounds me.
If you're going to visit a country... EXPERIENCE IT for crap sakes.
I visit foreign countries to EAT there. The food they serve locally has very little resmblence to food one can buy in USA under the same name.
Italian restaurant in Italy and Italian restaurant in USA have the same resemblence as my dick and Buff's
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Originally posted by Vick@Mar 7 2003, 01:49 PM another little tidbit
For those Proudly non-American
Maybe you can try getting paid in non-American dollars and paying your affiliates in non-American dollars
Just an idea - you know put your $$$$ where you mouth is
hahahahaha,
Rob Mac tried.....where the hell is Rob Mac?
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Originally posted by CDSmith@Mar 7 2003, 02:34 PM What fries my onions is when you're in one of these great countries that are rich with history, culture and cuisine.... and you see these dipshits in your hotel that go out to eat at McDonalds. Like, your vacation is 2 weeks, you can eat Micky D's anytime back home, but you can't eat authentic french or russian or malaysian food back home any time you want..... the stupidity astounds me.
If you're going to visit a country... EXPERIENCE IT for crap sakes.
That's a fine example... Heck, I've even tried the local "cuisine" in the UK. hehehe...
Vick, yes in retrospect I might have better chosen "Proudly Canadian" as the title. But your view on the currency issue holds no ground with me. Pay me in Euro, Pound Sterling, or Swiss Francs. It's all good to me. It just so happens that we base our currency around the US dollar. The US doesn't pay me... I pay me.
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When traveling you want a good dining experience that reflects the city you're visiting and you don't want to have a dining experience that is a miss - wasted time and effort not to mention the opportunity to enjoy fine dining
Some things I been lucky with finding good dining anywhere
Usually I'm lucky and fall in with locals when traveling and can get solid recommendations - I'll always ask a few different people and go with the consensus
You can check the newspaper on line for a few weeks before you travel and read the restaurant reviews
Zagat also has good reviews and I've found them to be accurate http://www.zagat.com/
Bartenders usually know the city well and were good dining can be found (at the hotel ask for a few recommendations as the bartender might push the hotel restaurant)
and sometimes the dumpiest place can have the greatest food
Example - When in New Orleans I always eat at Coop's. Little dive bar on Decatur but the food is made fresh (Gumbo is different every day) and the staff is funny/funky (in a good way) plus they take care of you (Charging me rail price for Red Breast - this trip I drank all the Red Breast they had over 3 visits)
Mmmm food
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Originally posted by Vick@Mar 7 2003, 02:19 PM Psssst Evil Chris since you enjoy learning about other cultures
Football season (American Football, not soccer) ended over a month ago
Oh I know... hehe and I also understand the interest in it because I would talk all day about NHL hockey too...
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Nothing like being in a real live orchard - WAY cool!
Any word on an Atlanta-based conference that I heard about supposedly brewing now that there's no AWE coming that way? The Atlanta crowd was spectacular - friendly, hospitable folks - I loved that city! Very cool webmasters - it was all about the networking and learning more about the biz. Great group!
Originally posted by kath@Mar 7 2003, 07:14 PM Any word on an Atlanta-based conference that I heard about supposedly brewing now that there's no AWE coming that way?
Why...no...Who are these twits who have apparently cut me out of the loop and left me with no choice but to hunt them down, kill them, and entertain you at The Varsity on my own??!! :grrr:
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It's just a bunch of trees, but the apples are SO much better than anything you'll ever find in a store.
Originally posted by Vick@Mar 7 2003, 01:49 PM another little tidbit
For those Proudly non-American
Maybe you can try getting paid in non-American dollars and paying your affiliates in non-American dollars
Just an idea - you know put your $$$$ where you mouth is
Vick, you read that as 'proud not to be american' and i read it as 'proud to be from my own country which happens to not be america'
your clutching at straws!!!
oh and i wouldn't be too much of a smart ass about your currency ... if you look closely, its going DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN DOWN at a pretty consistent rate. go do something productive to bring your dollar back up because i'm sick of it falling too ...
soon you will be begging to be paid in aussie or canadian dollars
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Originally posted by cj@Mar 8 2003, 09:18 AM yep, our money is very cool ... bright colors, pretty see through panel and hologram for counterfeit protection, and most importantly ...
machine washable!!!
just another advantage to being non american
Hey, now - I've washed plenty of American currency! It's quite spendable after going through several washes and drying cycles
Kleenex, however....not so durable......
American money is supposedly the easiest to counterfeit. In addition, because it's all the same size, it's impossible for those that have vision problems to deal with :angry: And try as we might, we cannot get Americans to go for a coin dollar, and don't even MENTION getting rid of the penny, lol!
Come on the dollar is still the world wide standard, as it has been for 50 years.... and will continue to be for the next 50 years. Currencies like all thing run in cycles.
If the dollar collapsed, the world economy would collapse. If the US economy hurts, the worlds hurts....
I am a fan of colorful money - everytime I go to a 3rd world country I get a collection of it.... like Monopoly money. I am amazed at how many countries are still putting the Queen on its money....
Vick, I am with you - We all know Evil Chris was tryin to stir the shit, hence how he titled his post. Canadiens DEFINE themselves as not-Americans... as a badge of honor.... hahaha
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Even Mexico's ahead of the game. They issued the first see-through hologrammed bill a few months ago, the 20 peso bill. Looking forward to the rest of them. They're very durable, it's nice that they're washable, though I don't generally put mine in the dishwasher :P
What really rocks about them is that they don't seem to wrinkle up so badly and it's impossible to wad them up so it's easier to close a wallet.
The US definitely needs to change the currency. In low light I've given out 50's for 5's..at least the Mexican bills are different colors AND sizes..so you don't give out a 500 peso bill for a 50. The lower denomination bills are smaller, so you can grab one almost without looking at them. They also have coins up to 20 pesos, which is cool.
CJ - I disagree with you and don't feel I'm clutching at straws
Chris even posted he could have titled the thread differently and that was enough for me to drop the issue
However
\Non-\ [L. non, OL. noenu, noenum, fr. neoenum, lit., not one. See None.] A prefix used in the sense of not; un-; in-; as in nonattention, or non-attention, nonconformity, nonmetallic, nonsuit.
non-american means not american and a title of proud to be not an american implies a derogatory feeling toward Americans
oh and as far as currency, whenever you're ready to trade me like amounts of American Dollars for Aussie dollars I give you please let me know
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Originally posted by originalheather@Mar 8 2003, 07:41 AM Even Mexico's ahead of the game. They issued the first see-through hologrammed bill a few months ago, the 20 peso bill. Looking forward to the rest of them. They're very durable, it's nice that they're washable, though I don't generally put mine in the dishwasher :P
What really rocks about them is that they don't seem to wrinkle up so badly and it's impossible to wad them up so it's easier to close a wallet.
The US definitely needs to change the currency. In low light I've given out 50's for 5's..at least the Mexican bills are different colors AND sizes..so you don't give out a 500 peso bill for a 50. The lower denomination bills are smaller, so you can grab one almost without looking at them. They also have coins up to 20 pesos, which is cool.
No, the U.S. doesn't need to change it's currency. Ours is a country that places value on education. We teach our children numbers early on so that when they get older they can tell the difference between a 5 and a 50.
However, your post brings up an interesting question: Just what kind of transaction are you engaging in where there is not enough light to see the difference between a 5 and a 50?????????
Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 8 2003, 07:09 AM Come on the dollar is still the world wide standard, as it has been for 50 years.... and will continue to be for the next 50 years. Currencies like all thing run in cycles.
If the dollar collapsed, the world economy would collapse. If the US economy hurts, the worlds hurts....
I am a fan of colorful money - everytime I go to a 3rd world country I get a collection of it.... like Monopoly money. I am amazed at how many countries are still putting the Queen on its money....
Vick, I am with you - We all know Evil Chris was tryin to stir the shit, hence how he titled his post. Canadiens DEFINE themselves as not-Americans... as a badge of honor.... hahaha
I absolutely fucking LOVE when canadians start with their "proud to be a canadian" whining.
Canada... You have the PEACE and FREEDOM that you enjoy because WE (read the United States of America) provide that peace and freedom for you. Plain and simple.
If your country was attacked, who would come to your aid? England? Perhaps. France? HAH! We all know the answer to that one. Whoever came to your aid would be doing so BEHIND the U.S. Military.
Now, start up again and we might just have to spank you and send you to bed without supper.
fuck JMM, didn't you read any of the past threads on this subject?!?!?!
>>Canada... You have the PEACE and FREEDOM that you enjoy because WE (read the United States of America) provide that peace and freedom for you. Plain and simple.
this line is getting so old ... once again, the big bully who has to keep reminding everyone else how much they've done for the little guy. if you layed off these self congratulating lines, you might be a bit more popular as a country.
your like the kid in the schoolyard who beats up someone to get lunch money for someone else so you can remind them how you bought them lunch
>>If your country was attacked, who would come to your aid? England? Perhaps. France? HAH! We all know the answer to that one. Whoever came to your aid would be doing so BEHIND the U.S. Military.
um, do we really need to go here again? to talk about all the times usa HASN'T come to the aid of its foreign friends?!
you continue to spout these sentences without any knowledge of what your country actually *does* in these situations. do you actually believe this line of thinking?!?!?
Canada is a slightly different story, ONLY because if someone was attacking canada it would be because they were on their way to the usa. The only time canada would be attacked is because the usa pissed off someone and canada is close by and an easy way to get to usa. usa's big mouth is what's putting canada in danger in the first place, so I should hope you'd jump in and help.
Originally posted by Vick@Mar 8 2003, 12:15 PM CJ - I disagree with you and don't feel I'm clutching at straws
Chris even posted he could have titled the thread differently and that was enough for me to drop the issue
However
\Non-\ [L. non, OL. noenu, noenum, fr. neoenum, lit., not one. See None.] A prefix used in the sense of not; un-; in-; as in nonattention, or non-attention, nonconformity, nonmetallic, nonsuit.
non-american means not american and a title of proud to be not an american implies a derogatory feeling toward Americans
oh and as far as currency, whenever you're ready to trade me like amounts of American Dollars for Aussie dollars I give you please let me know
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your bringing out a dictionary definition of 'non' to show me that the title was meant to be anti american?!!?!?
LMAO
clutch away!!!
would the title 'proud to be canadian' have been the same?! probably, but to me it means the exact same thing ... canadian = not american. australian = not american. french = not american. iraqui = not american. i'd agree with you if a french person or iraqui person posted it ... nothing but a technicality
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I would really like to see a bill with a see-through spot in it, that sounds cool. I'm looking forward to colored American money, it's about time our money looked pretty like everyone else's.
CJ with that see-through holographic spot on your bills, does the bill ever "tear" or wear down easily around that spot?
Heather do you mean your 20peso bill is *completely* see-through? Are they kinda stiff like thin plastic?
If they were stiff, they could even be stamped - like a seal - and that would help blind folks differentiate between them as well as adding some cool effects for those with sight.
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Originally posted by Carrie@Mar 9 2003, 12:42 AM I would really like to see a bill with a see-through spot in it, that sounds cool. I'm looking forward to colored American money, it's about time our money looked pretty like everyone else's.
CJ with that see-through holographic spot on your bills, does the bill ever "tear" or wear down easily around that spot?
nah i've never had one tear, you actually have to cut it to get it to break because its plastic ... its incredibly strong ...
i'm just analyzing this note i have here and i dont think it has any kind of 'line' around the clear bit, it looks like its actually melted ... as in, the whole thing is 1 piece of plastic .... not sure how they do it but its pretty cool!
That does look pretty neat! I wonder who came up with the idea of see-through money?
When I was a teenager, I always figured by the year 2000 we'd be walking around with little debit sticks (about the size of the handle of a nail file) and not actually using any currency. With Mexico just changing to a clear bill and the US finally changing to colored, I guess that's a *long* way off. (Although the wide acceptance of the Euro is a good move towards that.)
Hell at this rate everyone else will be a non-cash society and the US will just be switching to clear.
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that's one of the few downsides of being a part of such a large country ... it takes twice as long for changes to be accepted by everyone
we dropped 1 and 2 cent coins out of our currency almost 10 years ago, and round every up or down to the nearest 5c ... if the u.s. did that it would effect the economy in a much bigger way than our country of 19 million people, so your stuck with the penny for a while i reckon ;-)
although usa leads the way in most computer technology, we've got cell phone technology that's years ahead ... because you can overhaul the entire cell phone network of australia with a roll of wire and some cable ties ... oh, and a ladder. so whenever something new is invented they use australia to experiment
I don't know how true this is, but I hear that the US is getting ready to go through another round of currency changes.
The ONLY difference is that this time they are going to expire all the old bills at a certain date in order to fuck all the cash hording drug dealers and terrorists.
Seems I remember someone telling us all at the beginning of 2002 that the dollar was toast and to buy gold.
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