Boycot France!

[AltMasters]

I made some Spagetti tonight and also made some French bread.

Am I guilty?



But..I dunno if I buy anything thats French.
What do they make or is everything imported over there from the US?

[Carrie]

Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Feb 27 2003, 01:15 AM
And you're angry because Saddam said he's going to strike back why?

I'm not angry, I'm frightened.
He truly made it sound as if things are already in place - and his son's comments only serve to back that up. (Sure, it could just all be posturing, but I honestly don't think it is.)
Norfolk Naval Base is only a few miles away... if he *did* have long-range missiles, we'd be one of the first to go. Since he doesn't, it makes me even more uncertain and worried, thinking of the things that he could've gotten in here over the past few years.
I've just got this realllll bad feeling and I can't shake it. The interview brought it right up to the front of my mind. For some reason, I'm thinking Philadelphia is going to be a bad place to be once the war starts. I know there are more strategic places to strike, but Philly just keeps coming to mind.
The whole thing just makes me sick with worry, and what's worse is that I don't know what to expect and can't make any preparations to protect the boys whatsoever.

[PornoDoggy]

I feel a little foolish, because fear didn't occur to me.

I live in a town of 1600 8 miles from a town of 17,500. We're 4 hours from St. Louis and 5 1/2 from Chicago. That kind of isolation seems pretty protective until your girlfriend brings home all the information about her required smallpx vaccine - she's one of the Nursing Supervisors at the local hospital. So then, like a dumbshit, you've got go read up on a little epidemiology ... so much for the comfort of living in the country.

My two youngest daughters and my grandson live in St. Louis, and the talking heads on television mention it every time they discuss a possible terrorist attack on a national monument or on the "heartland." Sometimes I worry - that's a lie, I ALWAYS worry - about them. That they'll get carjacked, that they'll get hit by a drunk driver while crossing the street, that some fuckwad will exercise his 2nd Ammendment rights to an automatic weapon somewhere near my grandson's school, that my daughters will meet a guy just like I was at their age ... all the dangers of having kids. Now I worry about the possibility of a terrorist attack too.

The frustrating thing about this war is that, while necessary, it won't do anything against the terrorists who threaten America except egg them on and recruit new bodies for them. While I am not particularly concerned about Iraqi sleepers, there are plenty more folks that can regard this as an attack on their people, and do stupid, horrible things. That frightens me more.

I remember being scared shitless as a 9 year old during the Cuban Missle Crisis - but that was over and gone after two weeks. This is different. I'm sorry you're frightened. I'm sorry I'm frightened. But we're going to war. People get frightened when they go to war. Innocent civilians get frightened when we go to war. We just aren't used to being equally afraid.

My children are adults, and I'm still scared for them. I can only imagine how I'd feel if they were still little and all this was going on.

But can you imagine what it's like to be in Baghdad right now?



Last edited by PornoDoggy at Feb 28 2003, 05:21 AM

[Almighty Colin]

What would be the goal of a boycott of French products? I think a boycott of French products would be more likely to solidify French opinion than break it.

[Almighty Colin]

I'm not afraid at all right now. Don't know why. I guess I assume terrorists h34r: are already using their maximum capabilities. I don't think terrorists are waiting for anything. If they could do something, they'd do it right now.

(Nods to Afghani president Karzai on this thought)

I don't think terrorists are waiting for anything. If they could do something, they'd do it right now

Wish I could say that I thought that was true.

The strange thing is, we're supposedly about to go to war any second, right?

Then tell me why no one is checking my passport at the border anymore? We're supposed to be at a stage of "red alert" or something akin to that at the border crossing. A month ago, my trunk was still being opened, I'd be questioned as to what I was doing in Mexico, what I was planning to do in the US, etc. They at least made sure I was American before waving me through.

Now, I am American, but it's not that obvious, since half the Customs guys speak Spanish to me when I drive up. They're assuming that I'm Mexican until I open my mouth, but the last 4 times I've crossed, I haven't even had to speak.

My passport was issued in Guadalajara as a replacement, so it's not a laser passport, it looks funny. I am 100 pounds lighter than I was in the picture and my hair is a different color, so from looking at that pic from 3 feet away I doubt it even looks like me.

I've been seeing Mexicans getting waved through as well without the Customs agents swiping their visas to make sure they're real. It would be a real stretch to look at me and assume I'm from the Middle East, but one thing I remember thinking while looking at the footage during Desert Storm was, "Damn, these guys look Mexican".

If we're at war, why aren't we checking who's slipping across the border? Seems to me that San Ysidro, being the world's busiest border crossing, would be an excellent way for terrorists to get into the US.

I don't feel too safe. I doubt that Mexico would be much of a terrorist target, but I'm only 10 miles from the States as the crow flies. San Diego, with its multitude of military bases, is a juicy target for terrorists.

I guess that US Customs has given in to the pressure of people wanting a quick border crossing rather than acting as the first point of defense for America. I don't like long border crossings, but they don't open all the gates ever, better to have more agents and check everyone the way they did after 9/11 than to just wave everyone through for expediency's sake.

[Peaches]

Geeze, Heather - that's bizarre

[Almighty Colin]

Heather,

That's FASCINATING that your passport wasn't checked. I would have never guessed that.

Isn't it true that there are plenty of terrorists that have the will to partake in terrorist actions here in the US? Where are they? I just can't believe that terrorists only plan to attack America once a decade. I think that's just the best they can do and that they are always trying.

I believe more in an Osama (for example) trying to get some shot off at the US than an Osama waiting for the right timing.

There are plenty of people willing to blow themselves up for a cause but not that many of them that have the will, the money, the resources, and from their point of view the good fortune to make it happen. Why go through all the trouble to get to America when one can just take a bus to Israel, walk into a shopping mall and blow yourself up hence assuring everlasting happiness in the after-life and martyrdom monetary payments to mother.

There will be more terrorist attacks here in America but I think their ability is for the most part limited to the above and when they happen to get lucky. I think one really needs the luck factor to play out and is the problem of trying to plan for specific dates and times.

What was the significance of September 11? Just a random day when they could happen to do it.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Colin@Feb 28 2003, 10:11 AM
What was the significance of September 11? Just a random day when they could happen to do it.

It was 9/11... 911... our own code for emergency; something we use only when in absolute fear and helplessness.
Specifically picked on that date for the significance of the numbers and what they mean to *us*, the victims.

[Carrie]

Heather, your report from the border doesn't make me feel any better. *L* It does make me wonder though why people choose to go across the desert and sneak in when crossing through the gates sounds so simple? I would guess that this is part of the new love affair between Bush and Fox - and it doesn't look like either America nor Mexico are benefitting from the lax security.

PD - Castlehawke came home with a similar paper the week before last. Not smallpox vaccinations, but an 8-page printout that they made all of the Lockheed Martin employees take home regarding evacuation, emergency planning and "creating a disaster plan", and how to assemble a disaster kit with the most comprehensive list of things to put in it that I've ever seen (nearly 4 pages).
There's a close copy of it here on FEMA's site:
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fdsk.pdf

Lockheed is sending home these printouts.
City officials and emergency personnel are being "advised" or even "required" to get smallpox vaccinations.
But don't worry... heavy plastic sheeting and duct tape will save you. Oh never mind... we're reducing the threat level. Just go back to what you were doing and don't think about any of this...
*sigh*

[PornoDoggy]

I have as much faith in the government's advice about duct tape and plastic sheeting as I did in the drills we used to have in grade school to "survive" a nuclear attack.

Come to think of it, Tom Ridge does kinda look like that turtle ...

[Almighty Colin]

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