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JR, I gave you the chance. I am sorry for whatever else comes of this.
You obviously are not able to tell when you have crossed a line. Some stuff you don't joke about.
I really am sorry for you.
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Originally posted by The Other Steve@Feb 20 2003, 09:39 AM Sorry JR but for those of us who have children who have been molested it was no joke - and never will be.
i do not find humor in it. it was not intended to be humorous. i dont think that anyone who could have read it would have reasonably thought it was a serious remark.
i said it to make the simple point that was made perfectly by Alex's threats to me. there are boundaries to acceptable behavior and it is not an issue of "free speech" nor is it necessarily a republican government conspiracy to show what a biased flake he is.
sometimes people say and do dumb shit and it just does not mean anything.
the kid did it.
i did it.
and alex couldn't stop himself from doing it even if he was locked in a padded bank vault and unconscious.
Jr, as I mentioned in mail, moving me from one criminal offence to another isn't exactly fixing the problem.
I have commited no crimes of a sexual nature.
I have not murdered anyone.
Heck, I had a bondage girl complain that I don't spank hard enough.
Please keep working your edits. your getting closer to not being in a very bad position.
Alex
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 20 2003, 10:41 AM Jr, as I mentioned in mail, moving me from one criminal offence to another isn't exactly fixing the problem.
I have commited no crimes of a sexual nature.
I have not murdered anyone.
Heck, I had a bondage girl complain that I don't spank hard enough.
Please keep working your edits. your getting closer to not being in a very bad position.
Alex
i am sorry Alex, i thought there was a specific remark or referrence that offended you. it was removed.
i am confused on this free speech thing and your interpretation of it.
is you threatening to hurt my family as you did in e-mail free speech?
You pussy! Sending me messages that my company might be responsible for making libelous statements against you and that I need to get it straightened out is harassment. Keep it up or send me one more such message and you'll need a bodyguard and a restraining order at the next show too.
Add that to your lawsuit, asshole. I'm sure that will be enough to make you cry, get sick, clean the toilet and call your lawyer. I really don't give a shit.
There isn't a single person here who thinks you are a murderer just because JR said "i can make a shirt with a false statement saying "RawAlex is a murdering terrorist" and then justify it by claiming my intent is to simply express my opinion on proper grammar and sentence structure".
Jesus, pull the rod out of your ass and fucking lighten up. It's sad that this is all you had left in the debate. Threatening lawsuits.
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Colin, you know me, I always have more to contibute to a debate... as I stated, I don't really care what you call me in the "name" department, that is all bluster and crap... who cares.
I am not a criminal, don't want to be labeled as one, especially not for the type of crimes your partner has suggested.
My understanding of the US legal system made me want to contact you, hoping that your more level head would help to encourage your partner to do the right thing.
The rod in my ass is there because your partner put it there. I wouldn't have it there otherwise, you know me, I ain't much for lawyers and I sure ain't much for courtrooms. I wouldn't want to have to go down that road, it is ugly and nobody wins... but JR does need to know where the line in the sand is that marks the end of playful and moves over to serious.
Alex
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What if we thought Alex was a murdering terrorist before reading it on Oprano? Does that count?
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DJ: It's an amazing world, you can have a personal opinion... but you cannot state it as fact when it ain't true.
That's just how the game is played. :-)
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Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 20 2003, 04:04 PM DJ: It's an amazing world, you can have a personal opinion... but you cannot state it as fact when it ain't true.
That's just how the game is played. :-)
Alex
In other words, you should not be able to wear a t-shirt calling the President an "International Terrorist", because some people may read that shirt and ASSUME that it's true rather than merely a personal opinion...
Glad we have come to an agreement on at least one issue...
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I don't have a dog in this fight and I'm honestly not picking sides, but in reading this, a dumb legal question came to mind:
How libelous is "Raw Alex is ANYTHING" since Raw Alex isn't a legal entity? Contrary to popular belief, my birth name wasn't Peaches. I daresay, Diamond Jim's wasn't Diamond Jim (though I could be wrong ), MikeAI probably isn't really MikeAI, and I'm thinking Raw Alex isn't on anyone's birth certificate, driver's license, business records, tax certificates, etc.
I'm not asking to stir up trouble, I'm honestly curious as to where a "username" starts and stops being something you can legally defame.
Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 20 2003, 04:04 PM DJ: It's an amazing world, you can have a personal opinion... but you cannot state it as fact when it ain't true.
That's just how the game is played. :-)
Alex
I hardly call a hypothetical point made ONLY to demonstrate the absurdity of your statement an attempt to present something as a fact that is not true. The point was by it's very nature intended to be absurd in order to demonstrate the silliness of your proposition. That is all.
If you really think JR was trying to convince people that you are a murderer or that you molested his daughter (who is 28 years old and adopted anyway. Those Alaskans are strange with their Russian-bride "contracts". ) - then you are awful at reading people's intentions. If you further think anyone believed it, you are even worse.
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DJ: Actually, there is a car that was blown up in the middle of Yemen by a US miliary device. The US has not declared war on Yemen, but took military action. If someone from Yemen did the same in the US, you could label him a terrorist.
While the comment is not popular, it isn't 100% out of line either.
It is one of those things, you know?
Alex
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Originally posted by Colin@Feb 20 2003, 05:18 PM I know the real Peaches and am glad to say I do.
Hehehe - here's a long, funny story:
Was born one name. Got married, changed name, got divorced, went back to maiden name, divorce attorney screwed up so my "maiden" name is different than my birth certificate and I have no middle name now - just an initial.
My son - I changed his name when I got divorced so HIS name isn't the same as his birth certificate. What fun getting passports, going through customs, getting gun permit, getting into school, sports teams, etc. is - especially when it's the two of us together. I'm sure we look like a couple of blue eyed terrorists (which I can say, since I'm saying it against myself, and I know I don't own anything so suing me will net nothing )
Colin, the problem comes from people who read comments like that and then take them out of context. Alot of people just skim boards... like, say Luke Ford. Suddenly, there is a headline on Luke Ford: JR says Rawalex is a ******* and will be making up t-shirts to sell in protest". He would be taking an offhand comment, turning it into a publish fact that, even after 100 retractions, would still leave that opinion in people's minds.
Then my reputation, my ability to do business with people would be affected forever.
It also has to do with debate and discussion. Already, calling people names isn't exactly productive (24 years ago, it was determined that any message board post that started with "Hey asshole" usually wouldn't be read. You may not like my opinions, so debate them, but don't mock the person - that is pointless.
Alex
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Originally posted by Peaches@Feb 20 2003, 04:13 PM Contrary to popular belief, my birth name wasn't Peaches. I daresay, Diamond Jim's wasn't Diamond Jim (though I could be wrong ), MikeAI probably isn't really MikeAI, and I'm thinking Raw Alex isn't on anyone's birth certificate, driver's license, business records, tax certificates, etc.
But I am really Vick, well at least according to my birth certificate (which I could be personally unsure of as I was not of sound mind and body at the time of it's issuance
Not Victor, Not Vicki or Vicky (except for those "special" nights)
Now this whole ball of wax is getting so the combants please take viarga, grease up and sword fight or then more and again and then till you
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As an observer of this debacle, I'd like to say that JR said the insulting line once. You have repeated it about 20 times Alex. It seems to me if you were worried about people reading it as you say, you wouldn't have turned one instance of it into a dozen or more. Further you have demanded he remove it, yet the countless times you repeated it are still there. Are you worried the people "skimming" as you say, will still see it and misunderstand?
No, this is about ego and overreaction in my humble opinion. Nothing more.
That being said, I have overreacted many times on boards myself. It's easy to do.
Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 20 2003, 04:22 PM DJ: Actually, there is a car that was blown up in the middle of Yemen by a US miliary device. The US has not declared war on Yemen, but took military action. If someone from Yemen did the same in the US, you could label him a terrorist.
Alex, only you can twist shit and make something out of nothing.
Attack by a US drone on a car full of Al Qaida WANTED terrorists was appproved by the president of Yemen. He got a lot of heat for it when that was leaked out through the press. Unlike your friends the French, Yemen gives us permission to fly over their air space.
and btw, we did not take military action against Yemen. Stop making shit up.
Originally posted by RawAlex@Feb 19 2003, 07:06 PM I don't agree with the setiments of the shirt (not exactly) but I find it funny that in the land of free speech, an opposing viewpoint is not acceptable in a place of learning.
The First Amendment only bars the gov't from infringeing upon the right of free speech. If we're face to face and you call me a name and I mess you up, you can have me arrested for assault; but NOT for violating your civil rights.
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), MikeAI probably isn't really MikeAI, and I'm thinking Raw Alex isn't on anyone's birth certificate, driver's license, business records, tax certificates, etc.
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