War- Does It Scare You?

[Dianna Vesta]

This whole war thing freaks me out. The fact that he might have these weapons and could use them, freaks me out. What if we don't catch him in time?

Come on guys, put my fears to rest. What's gonna happen?

Going to dinner. Be back later.

[Nickatilynx]

Within 10 yrs some lunatic (not probably an official gov't either) will let off a nuke.

If I was a terriorist/freedom fighter, I would .



Last edited by Nickatilynx at Jan 21 2003, 06:24 PM

[Mike AI]

I am not afraid of war, what I am afraid of is this Country being paralyized by those who do not have our best interest in mind. Coward European countries, terrorist states, dictatorships, and then the appeasers in this country ( anti-war protesters, some democrats, and other groups).

The biggest fear I have is in-action... allowing our enemies time to continue to build up weapons, and time to be used against us.

We need bold leadership ( Churchill style) , bold plans, and devestating firepower to destroy direct threats to this nation and her interests. Pussyfooting around is only going to cost more innocent lives in the long run ( not only American lives).

If we had fought WWII like this, we would all be speaking German.

[Dianna Vesta]

Waiting for my sister to get here.. always late. Anyone been to 3030 Ocean, that new resturaunt in the Marriot Ocean Harbor?

back to war...

When it comes to any challenge I'm not afraid of people with intellect. Insanity scares me the most because I don't know how to confront that. Terrorism is fuel by emotional agendas, this is true, so in my mind I see that level of passion boarding insanity.

I wonder if Saddam has a dominant mistress. Most power hungry men seek that extreme balance.

[sharky]

Like it or not, we ARE going to war. the 5th and 6th aircraft carriers are on their way. Bush seems very determined to get the job done right.

I hate war, as most others do. However, I understand there is a time for everything. I would rather go in and kick their ass now than have them surprise us and fuck us later. The least American (or coalition even) lives lost the better. Our best option for that is to go in now and eliminate the threat.

[Winetalk.com]

before Sept 11 there were always a n argument:
american lives wouldn't be lost if it5 wasn't for a war.

Sept11 changed this argument 180 degrees.

Therefore, it's now the argument:
how many lives can be saved if we do the preventive strike?

And I say it's the only valid argument at the time.

[voodooman]

War doesnt scare me, and I wish all the people out there raising hell about it would get a fucking life, or a job, or something.
They obviously didnt have anyone they knew that died or was in the trade center on 9/11, or they would shut the fuck up and support our astonishing military in their efforts to thwart terrorism.
War has been around since the beginning of time, and it always will,
like it or not, its just the way wars are being fought thats changing.
Now, with that said, I support Bush and war with Iraq, IF, it is to
rid the world of Hussein and terrorism, but if its an ego thing, to
say he was the one that got Hussein, then I dont agree with it.
However, Iraq was directly or indirectly involved in the 9/11 tragedy,
so all bets are off in my book. Nuke the fuckers.
What I hate more than anything is the fact that wars have become political, and everyone is walking around on eggshells worrying about what some other country will do if we react in a hostile manner. Fuck em, if they dont like it, they can suffer our wrath as well.

[Peaches]

I can SAY I'm not afraid of war, but considering my son's getting ready to enlist, I'd be lying.

Our generation has never experienced first hand a "war". Yes, there have been wars, but it wasn't like WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, etc. where every other house on the block had someone overseas fighting and EVERYONE knew SOMEONE who had died.

With technology the way it is, I don't think we'll see that kind of military destruction - our guys and gals overseas aren't going to be killed en masse like generations before them.

What DOES scare me is all the crazy followers that are in the States. These people aren't going after the armed military, they're going after the unarmed citizens. The big nuke doesn't bother me as I don't think it could find its way here, but the "suitcase nukes" scare the hell out of me.

[Mike AI]

Serge how many lives would have been saved if the Allies would have attacked Germany when they opted out of their agreement after WWI and started building their military up?

Or after they took part of Czech?

[Nickatilynx]

MikeAI.

Exactly! Learn from history.

If FDR had not precipated the USA entry to WWII we'd all be speaking German

[Nickatilynx]

With technology the way it is, I don't think we'll see that kind of military destruction - our guys and gals overseas aren't going to be killed en masse like generations before them

Ever seen the films of Battlefied/Tactical Nukes going off?

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 21 2003, 07:01 PM
Serge how many lives would have been saved if the Allies would have attacked Germany when they opted out of their agreement after WWI and started building their military up?

Or after they took part of Czech?

about 36,000,000,
something "protesters" fail to see

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 21 2003, 08:06 PM

Ever seen the films of Battlefied/Tactical Nukes going off?

Yes, but how are they going to get those weapons anywhere near our armed military? Understand that I have limited knowledge of all this, and I'm asking honestly - not as my usually smart ass self

[Dianna Vesta]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 21 2003, 07:01 PM
Serge how many lives would have been saved if the Allies would have attacked Germany when they opted out of their agreement after WWI and started building their military up?

Or after they took part of Czech?

You guys know a lot about history.

Colin should be back from dinner now!

[Nickatilynx]

peaches,

I know dick too.But I hate this stuff :

http://www.cdiss.org/nw.htm

[Winetalk.com]

I seriously believe we are looking at another Hitler in Saddam Hussien, and that we will be SORRY if we don't take him out soon. Ultimately, the world will be a much better place.

I would go one step further in Iraq and get rid of Saddam Hussien's sons as well. That family is rotten to the core.

I read the most distrubing book, which is currently out of print, by Latif Yahia, who was kidnapped and forced to serve as Uday's Hussein double and bodyguard.

Uday is Saddam's oldest son....violent, sadistic beyond measure, and insane...and in line to share power with his brother if anything happens to Saddam.

There is a well worth reading recap of some of the highlights of the book at:

http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/Ed...82?OpenDocument

Dianna, I doubt Saddam has a Dominatrix, and if he does he is a submissive nightmare!! Latif recounts in the book Saddam has the mistresses he tires of driven out to the desert, shot at, run over by tanks, and then buried in cement...sometimes two and three at a time.

[Winetalk.com]

Oops. That last post (attributed to Serge) was me...LadyLaw.

Serge and I swtiched cumpters while I was off-line, and I didn't realize I needed to reset the computer.

[Winetalk.com]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Jan 21 2003, 08:10 PM
Oops. That last post (attributed to Serge) was me...LadyLaw.

Serge and I swtiched cumpters

I never seen this CUMputer woman in my life!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gigi]

Originally posted by Mike AI@Jan 21 2003, 06:31 PM
If we had fought WWII like this, we would all be speaking German.

You are right in that the US might have served the world better if they stopped germany post WWI....

But the US didn't join in to WWII until later....apparently because of a "provisional neutrality act" that was passed in 1935?? (I'm just now learning about this stuff so please correct me if I'm wrong)

Ultimately, I think diplomacy and tact is as much a part of American democracy as big bombs and preemptive strikes.

It's all part of the democratic process....

[Ironhorse]

I'm mostly just stressed about the limbo really, the not knowing, will there be war or not. This conflict has the potential to open quite a can of worms, it can destabilize the entire region, removing current regional leaders and replacing with Osamas and Saddams sprinkled liberally. Obviously it's a delicate matter.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jan 21 2003, 08:24 PM
peaches,

I know dick too.But I hate this stuff :

http://www.cdiss.org/nw.htm

Between you and LL AKA Serge, I have enough reading material for weeks of nightmares Though I do thank both of you for the links - they ARE very good!

[DAMNMAN]

Originally posted by voodooman@Jan 21 2003, 07:00 PM
War doesnt scare me, and I wish all the people out there raising hell about it would get a fucking life, or a job, or something.
They obviously didnt have anyone they knew that died or was in the trade center on 9/11, or they would shut the fuck up and support our astonishing military in their efforts to thwart terrorism.
War has been around since the beginning of time, and it always will,
like it or not, its just the way wars are being fought thats changing.
Now, with that said, I support Bush and war with Iraq, IF, it is to
rid the world of Hussein and terrorism, but if its an ego thing, to
say he was the one that got Hussein, then I dont agree with it.
However, Iraq was directly or indirectly involved in the 9/11 tragedy,
so all bets are off in my book. Nuke the fuckers.
What I hate more than anything is the fact that wars have become political, and everyone is walking around on eggshells worrying about what some other country will do if we react in a hostile manner. Fuck em, if they dont like it, they can suffer our wrath as well.

hEY vOODOOPOONANNY

[Mike AI]

GiGi, I agree - diplomacy is important.

War is a important part of diplomacy - it is an extension of it. Infact just the threat of war is diplomacy. If the rest of the world would stop giving Saddam hope, by stalling things, allowing him to play games, supporting him, etc.... we could maybe handle the problem diplomaticly.

Problem is every nation is looking out for their own interest ( which they should do) - and many of these Nations want to keep Saddam for $$ reasons ( oil contracts), stability in the region, or whatever reason... and some are trying to thwart the US to try and prevent the US from being more powerful, and control a very strategic part of the world. ( and of course oil - natural resources)

[DAMNMAN]

Originally posted by voodooman@Jan 21 2003, 07:00 PM
War doesnt scare me, and I wish all the people out there raising hell about it would get a fucking life, or a job, or something.
They obviously didnt have anyone they knew that died or was in the trade center on 9/11, or they would shut the fuck up and support our astonishing military in their efforts to thwart terrorism.
War has been around since the beginning of time, and it always will,
like it or not, its just the way wars are being fought thats changing.
Now, with that said, I support Bush and war with Iraq, IF, it is to
rid the world of Hussein and terrorism, but if its an ego thing, to
say he was the one that got Hussein, then I dont agree with it.
However, Iraq was directly or indirectly involved in the 9/11 tragedy,
so all bets are off in my book. Nuke the fuckers.
What I hate more than anything is the fact that wars have become political, and everyone is walking around on eggshells worrying about what some other country will do if we react in a hostile manner. Fuck em, if they dont like it, they can suffer our wrath as well.

Hey Voodoopoonannyman

I believe we have to act in our best interests and destroy any person or country that has intentions, aspirations and means to destroy US. (WetWork if necessary)

That said, Hitler didn't worry about what other countries thought about Nazi Germany taking over Poland etc... at the time either. He just did it and though he was immune to an ass whoopin'. He was incorrect!!!

If we act like we are the only ones on this planet and are willing attack others with impunity the rest of the world will get scared of US they will gang up on us and whoop our asses. (or try to anyways Nuclear Destruction of the entire fuckin' planet not withstanding!!!)



That said I believe Saddam has got to go!!!
The crazy ass mother fucker!!!!

[gigi]

GiGi, I agree - diplomacy is important.

War is a important part of diplomacy - it is an extension of it. Infact just the threat of war is diplomacy. If the rest of the world would stop giving Saddam hope, by stalling things, allowing him to play games, supporting him, etc.... we could maybe handle the problem diplomaticly.

I really don't see 'stalling' at this point. I see a process where there is investigation, and this process has been given an alloted time to complete. (I believe the day is January 28 or so?) One more week and we 'should' have an answer....war, or no war.

This is an important part of the process and it should not be forced along.

Problem is every nation is looking out for their own interest ( which they should do) - and many of these Nations want to keep Saddam for $$ reasons ( oil contracts), stability in the region, or whatever reason... and some are trying to thwart the US to try and prevent the US from being more powerful, and control a very strategic part of the world. ( and of course oil - natural resources)

We all know that for Bush, for the most part, it's about oil...terrorism is secondary. No doubt about it. This isn't necessarily a bad thing....$$ is what America was built on...it's just the way it is....

I caught a quick news blurb and it said that 'Bush scolded the UN' for their unsureness. I think he should just leave them alone until Jan. 28. I'm sure they already know exactly what he thinks. IMHO, they WILL agree to a strike. But I think they feel they MUST complete the process before announcing their decision.

BTW, Bush looked VERY tired and worn on the news....

[voodooman]

Originally posted by DAMNMAN+Jan 22 2003, 01:06 AM-->